Ships & Modules

Talwars are pretty awesome, but they require a surprisingly high-end skillset to really get the most from them.

Longbow Cormorants are also a good, long range sniper choice, but generally you'd want more than ~10 of them.

10MN AB, web/scram, hulltanked, 75mm rail Algos can be very nasty once you get a hold of something and have a solid ~15-20km engagement envelope.

None of these are particularly expensive, so try 'em all out and see which one works for you and your gang. With good warp-ins and careful selection of targets, you can get some good kills with any of these.

Good luck, have fun, die gloriously in a fire.

Thank for you're reply yes actually i was trying to get into missile launcher because the meta 4 isnt so bad compared to the t2 so it would save some skilling time for other things but missile launcher doesnt seem so effective at that scale atleast the meta one

It was what i was thinking no enough dps for breaking something with cormorant but i think i will still try this

It seem like a very interesting concept you mean a fit like this http://imgur.com/a/0s9Mx ? With a mix of half scrambler half disruptor and maybe some ewar in the mid ? If i understand well the doctrine concept is to kite brawler at 20 km and brawl kiter close range what should i engage or not engage ? And you suggest maybe some logi or ewar frig with or better max out the number of algos ?

The best way to learn is just get out there.
Your 7 to 10 guys may not all be able to fly the same ships, so ask them to take the ship they are best in.
These are known as 'kitchen sink fleets' and sometimes they work quite well.
When you find a ship that works well most of the time, ask them to train towards that ship.
Then create a doctrine
etc. etc.

You're going to lose ships, but you'll also find out who can man up for that, and who will cry like a little girl.
Your crew is just as important as the ships.
What you are really working towards, is a good crew.

That is a very wide reaching question for a ship and modules section. The warfare and tactics section which was intended for those questions - which ended up being the whine-section for faction warfare kids.

Anyhow, when you do command your troops, I would suggest you ask them what they can fly first and not to ditch a boat they have never seen on them.

Say your troops are flying Caldari most of the time, you can then go ahead and "build" your gang around those. If you "force" them to fly a Coercer instead, you will lead your troops into a minefield.

Now with your Caldari gang, you choose a ship that suits your (and only yours!!) style of flying preference.

For this example, I will take my all-time favorite beginner ship - the Moa. And my style of flying is kitey for arguments sake.


The first thing you want to do is to ask yourself what weapons would be best to use in your case. To keep is simple I define, there are only short- and long-range guns.

Here is your first order of business, you decide on the guns to use and for kiting and long(er) range projection are railguns.

Having decided on your guns is paramount, since it influences your fit.


(by the way, I chose kiting because it causes more tears and rage wherever you go)


So your Moa is now set on railguns and to not complicate things too much, you want to have a shield buffer fit. This will keep you mobile and the Moa is very forgiving with the resistance bonus.

Your first order of business is done.

Your second order of business is communication.

You need tell your mates that only the fleet commander talks and everyone else is quiet unless spoken to. This will take a little getting used to because you have the bucket load of responsibility on your shoulders and not only are you in charge, you do not want to fail your mates.

Before you undock and decide where to go, talk to your mates and listen to them and if you feel you are not quite in sync yet, go to an asteroid belt and practice a little.

Use the "duel" thing to make controlled duals between each of your gang mates. That way everyone of your mates gets to familiarize themselves to the ships they will be flying and how to kite.

When your mates tell you, they are good to go, you can go out and lead.

[Thrasher, arty gang]

Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Faint Scoped Warp Disruptor
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender

250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP S
250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP S
250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP S
250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP S
250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP S
250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP S
250mm Light 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP S
[Empty High slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

This is a low-sp effective fit.

You're each alphaing around 1000 damage per shot so this will make real short work of anything cruiser and smaller

How low SP is "low SP"? Sub 1m or sub 5m?

Are your 7-10 guys willing to accept a skillplan from you?

I disagree with Autism here. With small gangs, you cannot afford much in the way of snowflakes. The FC really needs fairly consistent things like engagement range. Especially in a world where alpha damage is so important. Ships of relatively similar speed, range, etc are important.
T3D's are a solid choice. A tackler or two, some basic logi, and DPS enough to overcome local or logi reps. T3D's are nice because of their versatility and ability to punch above their weight. With such a small gang, chances are you will only have a handful of DPS boats. Links can also be a big force multiplier for small gangs.
Kiting doctrines are nice because it lets the FC do the flying for the most part (the rest of the fleet 'anchors' on the FC) while letting the fleet concentrate on applying DPS and Reps as needed.

Shush dammit, he is supposed to learn by experience. This is ships and modules, not warfare and tactics.

This is literally cancer.


He's asking for low SP, so links are basically out of the question.

T3D's are meta tryhard.


Also if you really want to go meta try hard. It better to go,

Oracle,
Orthrus
Orthrus
Sviple
Keres
Scimi
Crow

Or something overly chessure like that.


Also people who need an anchor in small gang are bad.

I used to be along the line of thought that people should have the freedom to choose their own ship etc and just fit it to the parameters you give.

Experience has taught me this almost never works, people like having something given to them and the fun (mostly) comes from flying the ship and killing things rather than attempting to theorycraft their own.

Obviously this isn't true for everyone but I've seen newbie fleets have a lot more success when a fit is sent out instead of just asking to bring "something kitey that can hit out to 20km"