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Griefing still alive and well, I see...

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#81 - 2016-08-19 21:49:51 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Afaik your definition of "griefing" is the definition of "content creation" to a lot of folks in game.
It's a sandbox about spaceships blowing each other up for the lol, and we'll. .. CCP likes player-made content Lol

But hey, you're allowed to be that little butterfly who thinks the game shouldn't have any risk wherever you go Ugh

P.s. Inb4 Nitshie starts with more banter




You love his banter and would be lost without it.

I feed on intellectual conversation that I can sanely contribute to.
Those don't ever involve white knights of your nature Lol



Where it not for white knights running things you would not be the person you are today.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#82 - 2016-08-19 22:03:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgan Agrivar
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Wow, the salt content from "Nitshe" just overwheming.

.



You are starting to sound like Dom. Where did the AG touch you codie?

I am a CODE supporter since they bring excitement and a sense of paranoia to these poor industrialist who would otherwise be asleep at their desk while their Mackinaws lazily pewpew asteroids. There is nothing wrong with that, sir.

But I can assure you, AG has done nothing to me since they are still considered unorganized in my book. The game mechanics have always leaned towards the ganker but has been slowly pushed towards the carebears. Have I ganked freighters? Oh yes I have.

One day while in Gallente FW, loyalnon asked my corp if we wanted to go gank freighters. Never done it before, I wanted to see what it was like so I went with another pilot. It was an awesome experience and loyalnon knew what he was doing as he directed us from target to target. While waiting out the timer, some people started trashtalking in local on how they were repping one of the freighters that was being bumped. Loyalnon was not wanting to actually target that particular freighter but decided to go after it anyways.

The bumper told us that three scythes were repping it as they were trying to counter bump his Machariel away. We land on grid and completely facemelted the freighter, even with 9 reppers on it. So yes, I was there when AG was born because I believe that day was the day they decided to form up and actually fight the gankers back. Yes, they have had some success against freighter gankers but completely fail when it comes to the 'little guys' like the OP who are out there mining afk. They don't even need one of the CODE permits, all they need is awareness and they will be fine.

But if they want to afk mine in peace, highsec is not the place to do it.

P.S. In regards to that KM, it was a battle Venture fleet we threw together. You could have asked first before posting a KM that doesn't support your point.
Solecist Project
#83 - 2016-08-19 22:31:58 UTC

"Because Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately."

This part is fine. They're clueless about being clueless. (and will argue against it when pointed out)
They lack awareness about the fact that they could lack awareness about some facts.
Oh god i love these wordgames! :D

According to your own post, Mr. Loyd here is a great example of being inept (like: incapable) of recognizing his own ineptitude due to his low ability.


"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately."


Sc0rpyon wrote:
No... just no.

Fine with me!
Go and change the article on wikipedia and get away with it.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Sc0rpyon
EZ-Life
#84 - 2016-08-19 22:47:51 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

"Because Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately."

This part is fine. They're clueless about being clueless. (and will argue against it when pointed out)
They lack awareness about the fact that they could lack awareness about some facts.
Oh god i love these wordgames! :D

According to your own post, Mr. Loyd here is a great example of being inept (like: incapable) of recognizing his own ineptitude due to his low ability.


"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately."


Sc0rpyon wrote:
No... just no.

Fine with me!
Go and change the article on wikipedia and get away with it.


You're citing... Wikipedia... as a source...?
Hang on - let me find that Onion article I read the other day. It's probably right up your street.
Elyham
Perkone
Caldari State
#85 - 2016-08-19 23:20:43 UTC
Sc0rpyon wrote:
No..... griefing is committing an act for the sole purpose of causing grief.
Ganking is simply attacking someone who wasn't prepared for it.
Maybe you should learn your stuff..


How can you be unprepared for an attack? You undocked which was your consent to engage and be engaged.

Also there is no griefing in this game, cmon. I run a highly successful Mining Buddy Program so this is clearly in my area of expertise.

May your roids contain great wealth and treasure...

Elyham
Director, Mining Buddy Program
Sc0rpyon
EZ-Life
#86 - 2016-08-19 23:30:12 UTC
Elyham wrote:

How can you be unprepared for an attack? You [left your house], which was your consent to be [attacked]...



Why does this sound so familiar....
Shocked
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#87 - 2016-08-19 23:34:40 UTC
Sc0rpyon wrote:
Elyham wrote:

How can you be unprepared for an attack? You [left your house], which was your consent to be [attacked]...



Why does this sound so familiar....
Shocked

And now we have officially blurred the line between game and real life. I give it a page or 2 until lock. Anybody wanna start a betting pool?

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Nitshe Razvedka
#88 - 2016-08-20 04:06:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Wow, the salt content from "Nitshe" just overwheming.

.



You are starting to sound like Dom. Where did the AG touch you codie?

I am a CODE supporter since they bring excitement and a sense of paranoia to these poor industrialist who would otherwise be asleep at their desk while their Mackinaws lazily pewpew asteroids. There is nothing wrong with that, sir.

But I can assure you, AG has done nothing to me since they are still considered unorganized in my book. The game mechanics have always leaned towards the ganker but has been slowly pushed towards the carebears. Have I ganked freighters? Oh yes I have.

One day while in Gallente FW, loyalnon asked my corp if we wanted to go gank freighters. Never done it before, I wanted to see what it was like so I went with another pilot. It was an awesome experience and loyalnon knew what he was doing as he directed us from target to target. While waiting out the timer, some people started trashtalking in local on how they were repping one of the freighters that was being bumped. Loyalnon was not wanting to actually target that particular freighter but decided to go after it anyways.

The bumper told us that three scythes were repping it as they were trying to counter bump his Machariel away. We land on grid and completely facemelted the freighter, even with 9 reppers on it. So yes, I was there when AG was born because I believe that day was the day they decided to form up and actually fight the gankers back. Yes, they have had some success against freighter gankers but completely fail when it comes to the 'little guys' like the OP who are out there mining afk. They don't even need one of the CODE permits, all they need is awareness and they will be fine.

But if they want to afk mine in peace, highsec is not the place to do it.

P.S. In regards to that KM, it was a battle Venture fleet we threw together. You could have asked first before posting a KM that doesn't support your point.


You are starting to sound like Pedro. (TLDNR), Too long Did Not Read. Ironic how I wasted long hand on its acronym in brackets Blink

Only joking, I did read it. By your standard, you sound extremely salty. Smile

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Nitshe Razvedka
#89 - 2016-08-20 04:44:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Solecist Project wrote:
Quote:
Because Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately.


Wooooooow, fancy!

*picks nose*
*snips crap around the room*



It's weird because I'm kind of understanding this differently ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
Quote:
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately.
I'll translate.

Low ability indIviduals (puke) suffer from IAMAWESOME, because they're literally too dumb to know they're dumb. They're so dumb, they're incapable of reflecting on it and it would take serious effort, having him follow a logical train of thought all the way through to the part(s) he doesn't consider he's missing.

Logic is funny, because logic is always logical. Logic has no consideration for good or bad,
it simply always works with the information at hand. As long as every information gathered fits to the rest logically,
no matter how stupid the conclusion might be, it's still logical.

The DKEffect is, in simple terms, lack of awareness of the missing parts.
Or even simpler: Ignorance about one's own ignorance.
A serious mental issue in my world, but vOv.


In any case, what you describe as DK is not DK at all.

You *were* insulting him.


The only person really insulting Paranoid is you Sol, because you just don't get it. There are levels. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#90 - 2016-08-20 05:32:03 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Wow, the salt content from "Nitshe" just overwheming.

.



You are starting to sound like Dom. Where did the AG touch you codie?

I am a CODE supporter since they bring excitement and a sense of paranoia to these poor industrialist who would otherwise be asleep at their desk while their Mackinaws lazily pewpew asteroids. There is nothing wrong with that, sir.

But I can assure you, AG has done nothing to me since they are still considered unorganized in my book. The game mechanics have always leaned towards the ganker but has been slowly pushed towards the carebears. Have I ganked freighters? Oh yes I have.

One day while in Gallente FW, loyalnon asked my corp if we wanted to go gank freighters. Never done it before, I wanted to see what it was like so I went with another pilot. It was an awesome experience and loyalnon knew what he was doing as he directed us from target to target. While waiting out the timer, some people started trashtalking in local on how they were repping one of the freighters that was being bumped. Loyalnon was not wanting to actually target that particular freighter but decided to go after it anyways.

The bumper told us that three scythes were repping it as they were trying to counter bump his Machariel away. We land on grid and completely facemelted the freighter, even with 9 reppers on it. So yes, I was there when AG was born because I believe that day was the day they decided to form up and actually fight the gankers back. Yes, they have had some success against freighter gankers but completely fail when it comes to the 'little guys' like the OP who are out there mining afk. They don't even need one of the CODE permits, all they need is awareness and they will be fine.

But if they want to afk mine in peace, highsec is not the place to do it.

P.S. In regards to that KM, it was a battle Venture fleet we threw together. You could have asked first before posting a KM that doesn't support your point.


You are starting to sound like Pedro. (TLDNR), Too long Did Not Read. Ironic how I wasted long hand on its acronym in brackets Blink

Only joking, I did read it. By your standard, you sound extremely salty. Smile

And this response is how you got your status as a forum troll. 2/10.

Try harder, Nitshe. I know you can do it. I believe in you.
Nitshe Razvedka
#91 - 2016-08-20 07:38:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Some people don't like eating their own rhetoric, so why give it to us? ( on topic, 'griefing')

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Sc0rpyon
EZ-Life
#92 - 2016-08-20 07:59:13 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Sc0rpyon wrote:
Elyham wrote:

How can you be unprepared for an attack? You [left your house], which was your consent to be [attacked]...



Why does this sound so familiar....
Shocked

And now we have officially blurred the line between game and real life. I give it a page or 2 until lock. Anybody wanna start a betting pool?


You're talking about a game which is actively encouraged to affect real life money, health, personal property and emotional wellbeing. And this somehow surprises you...?
Nitshe Razvedka
#93 - 2016-08-20 08:12:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Scorpyon, you had the wood on Loyd n Sol, stay out of the rough on RL themes. Listen to author of your guide here. Straight

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Sc0rpyon
EZ-Life
#94 - 2016-08-20 08:32:47 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Scorpyon, you had the wood on Loyd n Sol, stay out of the rough on RL themes. Listen to author of your guide here. Straight


I like the golf analogies :-)
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#95 - 2016-08-20 08:47:27 UTC
Sc0rpyon wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Sc0rpyon wrote:
Elyham wrote:

How can you be unprepared for an attack? You [left your house], which was your consent to be [attacked]...



Why does this sound so familiar....
Shocked

And now we have officially blurred the line between game and real life. I give it a page or 2 until lock. Anybody wanna start a betting pool?


You're talking about a game which is actively encouraged to affect real life money, health, personal property and emotional wellbeing. And this somehow surprises you...?

No matter how much isk I make it wont affect my real life money. No matter how many times I'm podded or take booster drugs my real life health is unaffected. No matter how many scams I fall prey to in jita they won't get my car. And finally no matter how many times I fail in this game will it cease being just a game. The day any of this changes for you quit immediately.

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Sc0rpyon
EZ-Life
#96 - 2016-08-20 09:29:07 UTC
Sure I get what you're saying there, but I'm referring to the many documented cases where this game has affected people in their real lives and not only that, has been seemingly encouraged in the process. It is a shame to see a game have this effect on the real world in the way it does, but I suppose it is what it is.

And I think that in itself ties in with the very concept of griefing as an action. You invest real world time and money into this gane, so essentially you place a real world value on everythibg you do, whether consciously or not. And thats any sort of seemingly pointless loss can be upsetting to the one who loses it.

And therein lies the inefficacy. You are powerless to effect change to your circumstance.
Its a conundrum, for sure.
Elite Harvester
Elite Harvesters
#97 - 2016-08-20 09:29:46 UTC
It's not griefing, just business. The business of saving Highsec.

Maybe you should buy a mining permit for 10,000,000 ISK. Blink

Visit www.MinerBumping.com to find out how you can help save Highsec.

Sc0rpyon
EZ-Life
#98 - 2016-08-20 09:54:29 UTC
Elite Harvester wrote:
It's not griefing, just business. The business of saving Highsec.

Maybe you should buy a mining permit for 10,000,000 ISK. Blink


A mining permit you say?
Intriguing.
I'm in...!

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#99 - 2016-08-20 10:46:20 UTC
Sc0rpyon wrote:
Sure I get what you're saying there, but I'm referring to the many documented cases where this game has affected people in their real lives and not only that, has been seemingly encouraged in the process. It is a shame to see a game have this effect on the real world in the way it does, but I suppose it is what it is.

And I think that in itself ties in with the very concept of griefing as an action. You invest real world time and money into this gane, so essentially you place a real world value on everythibg you do, whether consciously or not. And thats any sort of seemingly pointless loss can be upsetting to the one who loses it.

And therein lies the inefficacy. You are powerless to effect change to your circumstance.
Its a conundrum, for sure.

if you personally feel this way about this or any other MMO game quit. I can't be more clear than this. It's a game you play for fun much like monopoly or tag. When the game stops being fun because it means that much to you its time to stop playing. ESPECIALLY a game where blowing up your opponents things is kinda one of the goals

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#100 - 2016-08-20 11:10:37 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
if you personally feel this way about this or any other MMO game quit. I can't be more clear than this. It's a game you play for fun much like monopoly or tag. When the game stops being fun because it means that much to you its time to stop playing. ESPECIALLY a game where blowing up your opponents things is kinda one of the goals



I always wonder what happens when somebody from The Loser Generation goes to Reno or Vegas and happens to lose all their money. I wonder if they actually try and have the casino's shut down for 'theft' and 'harassment'.

That would make a truly hilarious TV show, I think.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

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