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The Shadow of Serpentis event, miscommunication and autism apparently.

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2016-08-18 16:34:10 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
You didnt spend 450 hours TRYING to get a BPC.... There was one event to kill 20 guards that netted 1K points, you only needed 50 of such, so 1000 guards killed total, to get the gold package.

No, you spent 450 hours trying to get to number one and burned out yourself and your corp in doing so. All in the name of profit in the end, you even said so yourself you ONLY did it for the reward because NORMALLY you dont play for isk/hr but fun.Roll

I feel ZERO sympathy for you in this venture. And btw I just spent the better part of an hour on SISI looking up the LP rewards and ROFLMFAO!!!!!! You are going to HATE yourself even more, prepare for utter disappointment and heartbreak.Twisted

You drank the koolaid on this one.

CCP did the exact opposite as the Revenants btw if anyones wondering.Lol


Look SonRoll
Vash Bloodstone
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2016-08-18 18:07:11 UTC
Well, this goes back to a book I read once called, "Punished By Rewards." I won't go too deep into detail, I lack the eloquence to do so, but basically, it sounds to me like you were doing the event for the wrong reasons. You shouldn't have been going for the reward, instead you should of been trying to have "fun."

You turned EvE online into work instead of a fun game. Now, no doubt that if you want rewards in EvE, you have to work occasionally, but the trick is to have fun doing so. If you aren't having fun doing "work" in EvE, you'll only play so long before you simply quit and go to another game. Your corp mates didn't have fun and now see EvE as a chore, that's probably why they want to quit. And there right, you did turn EvE into a chore.

Well, I would go even further though and say that even if you did get this "reward" that you would still be unsatisfied. You won't be able to look at EvE the same without thinking about all that "grind" you went through. Mining is also a grind, and the last thing you want to do is turn a supposedly fun game into a terrible "grind."


Of course, I would put the blame on CCP for making this horrible event. In fact, I was fooled briefly into thinking it might be fun for a while, but I quickly saw how much it sucked and stopped. At least the Event is over now and it won't infect any more of the player base, but unfortunately, you and others like you represent some of it's victims.

Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2016-08-18 18:16:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Discordia Duenna
Vash Bloodstone wrote:
Well, this goes back to a book I read once called, "Punished By Rewards." I won't go too deep into detail, I lack the eloquence to do so, but basically, it sounds to me like you were doing the event for the wrong reasons. You shouldn't have been going for the reward, instead you should of been trying to have "fun."

You turned EvE online into work instead of a fun game. Now, no doubt that if you want rewards in EvE, you have to work occasionally, but the trick is to have fun doing so. If you aren't having fun doing "work" in EvE, you'll only play so long before you simply quit and go to another game. Your corp mates didn't have fun and now see EvE as a chore, that's probably why they want to quit. And there right, you did turn EvE into a chore.

Well, I would go even further though and say that even if you did get this "reward" that you would still be unsatisfied. You won't be able to look at EvE the same without thinking about all that "grind" you went through. Mining is also a grind, and the last thing you want to do is turn a supposedly fun game into a terrible "grind."


Of course, I would put the blame on CCP for making this horrible event. In fact, I was fooled briefly into thinking it might be fun for a while, but I quickly saw how much it sucked and stopped. At least the Event is over now and it won't infect any more of the player base, but unfortunately, you and others like you represent some of it's victims.




I was fully prepared to not even place. I wanted to do this for personal reasons, feel free to contact anyone in my corp and they can attest that this was my primary motivation. I had fun with the grind, it was cathartic and towards the end it felt like art, I experienced TiDi in those shipyards when there was no TiDi. As for my corp, no pressure was placed on them to participate at any point, it's their game time. Since finishing the event I have run some anomalies and done some mining for someone else in the corp, I don't mind grinds that reward me with nothing, I'm a team player.

I appreciate that you don't know me, nor what I am like as a player in eve, that is fine, but I'll say that reducing me to some of the points you have made, misses the mark. The cherry on the cake for placing top 10 has been taken away, the thing that is important here is that we were promised a cherry, I still don't have one. If you went into a restaurant and ordered a steak with fries and salad and they didn't hand over the fries until 3 hrs later, you'd surely be having words with the manager, no?

Regardless you have an interesting post o7
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#44 - 2016-08-18 18:19:57 UTC
Vash Bloodstone wrote:
Mining is also a grind
You just couldn't help yourself...could you...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
#45 - 2016-08-18 19:16:01 UTC
Interesting read! I didn't like the event very much because it was so repetitive and the sites so unbalanced that one could predict from the beginning that people who put serious effort into this "will be marked with the word 'shipyard' for life". Well, to each his own. It's weird why they don't treat a news about the final results and the payout of the rewards with top priority. As if they don't know which marathon monster they created. Yes, I can imagine to be angry about this.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2016-08-18 19:43:51 UTC
You have just caught a glimpse of what a lot of players demand as "more challenging PvE" ...

I'm my own NPC alt.

Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#47 - 2016-08-18 19:54:52 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
where CCP will declare how successful the event was with some statistics thrown in

God, I hope not. If they declare this event as a success, with all of its grinding and ridiculous demands on time, it'll be a pretty clear message on what the future of EVE will be like.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#48 - 2016-08-18 20:27:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
The OP is a description of the most unholy grind I ever saw in my life. Shocked


Does a person have to be raised on Ritalin to be capable of this or merely surrounded by people who were?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#49 - 2016-08-18 20:29:13 UTC
Quote:
I have been hunted, I have hunted. I have stolen more cans from people than I can count, I optimized my strategies through optimizing routes across New Eden, organized a team for maximizing returns on points.



If this is really true, then this is all that should've mattered.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2016-08-18 20:34:41 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The OP is a description of the most unholy grind I ever saw in my life. Shocked


Does a person have to be raised on Ritalin to be capable of this or merely surrounded by people who were?


One has to sit on the spectrum for sure, although the eve community has plenty on the spectrum, I can be pretty focused on tasks and not sleep much as a result. It could be Chinese history keeping me up all night, in this instance it was shipyards.
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2016-08-18 20:42:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Discordia Duenna
Bumblefck wrote:
Quote:
I have been hunted, I have hunted. I have stolen more cans from people than I can count, I optimized my strategies through optimizing routes across New Eden, organized a team for maximizing returns on points.



If this is really true, then this is all that should've mattered.


It is really true and it was all that mattered. It's only when I noticed I was gaining on the top 10 that I really threw everything in. It is easy to sit from afar and pass judgement, whittling other opinions down to pidgeon holes. The reality is my reasons for doing this event were complex and many. Cherry picking single points, just leads me to believe there is no substance to the commentary (not necessarily directed at you). But you do have a point and it is one of the many great things about this event. Unfortunatley the event has also had a shadow, as I stated before, I was prepared not to place, but I did, my issue is with what happened next.

Had I not placed, i'd be here in someone elses thread, making a stand with them, being able to relate to their experiences and share in their frustration. You could call me on that and say I wouldn't have, but then you'd be wrong although I'd probably have used an alt ;-)
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#52 - 2016-08-18 20:49:59 UTC
Sry mate, but once the building cost of these ships got public, you should've counted 1 & 1 together and stop grinding, cause the grand prizes, the blueprints, couldn't be worth a fortune then. If you didn't, it's your very own fault.
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2016-08-18 20:51:07 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Sry mate, but once the building cost of these ships got public, you should've counted 1 & 1 together and stop grinding, cause the grand prizes, the blueprints, couldn't be worth a fortune then. If you didn't, it's your very own fault.


Goons said this about titans in 2006. How many you got now?
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#54 - 2016-08-18 20:54:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Syrias Bizniz
You don't understand what i was trying to tell you.
These titans and supers will be flown, that's for sure, (almost) no matter their pricetag. But the revelation of the building materials required showed us: Their pricetag will come through the materials you need to build them and not, like on the Revenant, through scarcity of the Blueprints.
However, the price for the Event was ... Blueprint copies. You didn't get the Materials through the grind, you got the copy which will make up for probably 3-5% of the actual ship's value.

Edit: Also, we got never enough Titans, but thanks for asking!
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2016-08-18 20:58:04 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
You don't understand what i was trying to tell you.
These titans and supers will be flown, that's for sure, (almost) no matter their pricetag. But the revelation of the building materials required showed us: Their pricetag will come through the materials you need to build them and not, like on the Revenant, through scarcity of the Blueprints.
However, the price for the Event was ... Blueprint copies. You didn't get the Materials through the grind, you got the copy which will make up for probably 3-5% of the actual ship's value.

Edit: Also, we got never enough Titans, but thanks for asking!


3-5% in normal condition.
we are not in normal conditions. right now they are limited to 5 titan bpc and 5 super bpc.
no one else can have them.

and the market law teach us what happen in this case.

Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#56 - 2016-08-18 21:01:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Syrias Bizniz
@ Soel Reit: ... eh, go over to Sisi, move yourself to fountain, dock in one of the serpentis stations, and open the LP store.

@ OP: If i were you, I'd now rally all the CSM i could, and get CCP to change the faction capitals material requirements to 1-1.5x that of it's empire variants. THEN you lobby until CCP makes the BPCs unobtainable through LP store, and makes them (random) drops from those pirate corps Faction Capital ships (not the regular ones, the faction. Like, Dread Guristas Titan, but not from Guristas Titan).
Nicemeries
#57 - 2016-08-18 21:03:11 UTC
DD my friend, our corp turned your grind into some of the best social content I have experienced in the past 6 years of flying spaceships. To see the goal/reward of that grind turned into **** by CCP saddens me more than any of the crap they have pulled on their player base since I started playing in 2010. The blatant disregard of their event and the disrespect of the 10-20 players that put in ungodly hours, is painfull to observe. It's not even about how much isk your BPC will make, but it's about the failure of CCP to realize that some of their players ACTUALLY put time and effort into the event they advertised with. It baffles me to see CCP completely **** away the few good things that could possibly come off this event. They treat it like it was a complete joke. To see some folks in this thread shrug it off with "what did u expect, it's CCP" is perhaps the saddest part of it all.
No matter how CCP will handle your BPC and the roll out from SiSi, I will fondly remember my nighthawk watching you do flyby's while i went off on diaper duty.

07
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2016-08-18 21:07:10 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
@ Soel Reit: ... eh, go over to Sisi, move yourself to fountain, dock in one of the serpentis stations, and open the LP store.

@ OP: If i were you, I'd now rally all the CSM i could, and get CCP to change the faction capitals material requirements to 1-1.5x that of it's empire variants. THEN you lobby until CCP makes the BPCs unobtainable through LP store, and makes them (random) drops from those pirate corps Faction Capital ships (not the regular ones, the faction. Like, Dread Guristas Titan, but not from Guristas Titan).


dude we're talking of tq.
anyway CCP ****** it up as always.

it's not players fault.
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2016-08-18 21:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Discordia Duenna
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
@ Soel Reit: ... eh, go over to Sisi, move yourself to fountain, dock in one of the serpentis stations, and open the LP store.

@ OP: If i were you, I'd now rally all the CSM i could, and get CCP to change the faction capitals material requirements to 1-1.5x that of it's empire variants. THEN you lobby until CCP makes the BPCs unobtainable through LP store, and makes them (random) drops from those pirate corps Faction Capital ships (not the regular ones, the faction. Like, Dread Guristas Titan, but not from Guristas Titan).


For the record, i've been on that since the beginning of the event (the materials issue) See the Baited on a Free Can Post, I couldn't rightly critique the event without knowing it's full ins and outs from the industrial side to the prize winners table without participating now could I? That would be just making stuff up based on opinion rather than experience. I guess I must out Celeste Coeval as my alt:P (although anyone with 5 minutes of the slightest interest in digging through my corp history could figure that one out) That post was formulating. But I agree CSM involvement is looking necessary for the fiasco that is these ships.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#60 - 2016-08-18 21:11:49 UTC
Discordia Duenna wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The OP is a description of the most unholy grind I ever saw in my life. Shocked


Does a person have to be raised on Ritalin to be capable of this or merely surrounded by people who were?


One has to sit on the spectrum for sure, although the eve community has plenty on the spectrum, I can be pretty focused on tasks and not sleep much as a result. It could be Chinese history keeping me up all night, in this instance it was shipyards.



Well no offense. I too can "sperg" it big time when I'm not careful. Though for me it happens with writing computer programs. I once spent 2 entire days on a program without sleep. In the past, and I don't know about now, we had things called "Death March projects" where in the most basic forms, it's developers not going home until the project is finished. Though we see and hear of such things less and less with the development of better team/project management software and frameworks.


Must say though, whatever the opinion, you are driven. Well done o7. Where I in charge of hiring people I'd ask for a resume from you.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!