Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You know it's funny, people complain of market botting but I've never seen any definitive evidence of it. I have the odd feeling you're going into a highly competitive market and you're mistaking 100 people all .01 isking as botting.

Sure, I can imagine nothing else to do in my life but twiddling my thumbs for 4m59s to change a value by 0.00isk all day long.

Bots will be reported much quicker, no need to deal with them losing isk just to get the name.

And how will CCP deal with the absolutely insane amount of false positives they will inevitably get?

If you want to be able to report literally every single person who is competing in the same market as you, how do you expect CCP to wade through that and not ban legit players?

a general advice to everyone: thinking of what you are going to write before doing it, would prevent a lot of trash from entering the forums...

Anyways, "it is ccp's problem" is a genious solution. Don't you think so? ccp definitely has no problem with solving support requests and bug reports, so when all marketeers (is this a word) in jita and amarr get reported, it will definitely make their lives easier and all those bots will get banned.

sure, I am already waiting for all those 1500 bots in jita to get banned, because they are definitely no players.

basically.

2 things might come out of this.

1. not many would care. Normal player goes to trade hub, buys stuff and leaves. Sort by price, cheapest at top, load all the deliveries and leave. If told who sold it...I would not care or notice. many won't.


2. to get you "proof" of botting...you's have to be there a lot. So how do you know this is a botter asks CCP as they hand over their "evidence". I over a span of 5 days, 4 hours per day changed my order price 50 times a day and they always changed it seconds after.

So....no real person, besides you ofc, would ever spend 20 hours in Jita over the week just changing prices?


CCP knows on the backend who is submitting orders/changes OP. This is a field we don't see from the DB. It has to be there. In the off chance server has a bad moment assuming CCP has thorough and layered out data loss prevention in effect. Based on the SQL server guru who posts from time to time they have this. Forget their name sadly....do love the SQL geek posts when they post them, love the fact they do great things vice the basic crap I do.

Worst case, in the event of server mishap with some data corruption its restore latest of known good data (snapshots big these days), replay the transact logs to get up the moment of server death restores.

So that way they aren't getting 1000 service requests saying "Dear CCP, I was putting 5 billion of stuff at the time of crash, my orders don't reflect this. Please fix." Also so that someone playing the system says the same thing but never submitted the order.

Replay the logs hooks up the good cases, logs show claimant full of crap for the others.

It be from this data ccp would find a botter. 24/7 market changes...yes that would be odd. Or a violation of account sharing. Another eula violation to pursue if desired.

I like it.
And there could be done more. The below suggestion weakens the impact of marketbots significantly.

No. What will happen is people who are undercutting you will get reported. And if they are bots they will get banned. If they arent bots then CCP will have to keep flipping through reports by disgruntled market PVPers who are upset someone is undercutting them

I bet it's like looking in the mirror