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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#141 - 2016-08-17 19:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
In other random news, an Iteron Mark V slipped right past a CODE. ganker (even though he did manage to scan the cargo and knew what was inside) carrying 13 billion isk in assorted blueprints/loot......And another non-CODE. affiliated ganker picked up the slack and got him.

So at least one side of the conflict can work together when the others mess up and miss things.

Blink

(would link the kill - but you know, forum rules)

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#142 - 2016-08-17 19:20:22 UTC
Faylee Freir wrote:
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Or Brokk is just decent at manually piloting his ship... Even a pure-bumping fit machariel needs a pretty good run-up to get a good bump in, and is pretty easy to disrupt. You just have to figure out the intercept point to put yourself between him and the freighter and deflect him.

Additionally the fact that it was a fenrir reduced the amount of time he needed to disrupt the bumper for.

I will help you out since you seem to be a bit ignorant. There are 2 ways to approach bumping freighters and those are speed and agility. You can center your bumping around speed and use high-grade snakes, and a proper Machariel fit up for maximum velocity and you bump them further than you would in an agility fit. With this method you will probably end up using a 10k runup to the freighter. This is probably how most bumpers fit because its just been the standard. There is a balance point in your inerta modifier that you want to try and keep, but most people think speed is king... And it is good in a lot of situations but i prefer the next setup.

Next you have agility setups which use mid-grade nomads, while the Machariel fit mostly stays the same. With this setup your Machariel literally turns on a dime while still putting out some serious speed. I use a 3-4k runup with this setup and is a ton of fun. This is more for keeping the freighter consistantly unaligned which is what prevents warping.

There are so many styles and techniques that different pilots have, bumping is really an art. Yeah you get the casual pleb that nust fits a **** stabber or mach and thinks hes a bumper... But theres a lot of skill and practice that goes into a top-tier bumper. I hate to honk my own horn again, but managing to hyperdunk all by myself while managing low-velocity bumps on a live freighter trying to get away is a thrill and a challenge.

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#2 - You refuse to disrupt code in any way, and also refuse to cost them billions of isk destroying their Citadels right now...I find it very hard to believe that you would ever be willing to combat code even if CCP did make every change you recommend...You are still all talk, no action.
When will people catch on that Code freighter ganking days are virtually over with the banning of Loyalanon? Yeah you see the Kusions, but his multibox ganks are shadowed by the frequency of miniluv ganks. Code have been reduced back to industrial and miner ganking and dont rely on citadels. Now ganking groups like miniluv DO use citadels at various times but the cost of one is negligable. You have to burn through 3 timers just to kill one and in that time its cheap for them to anchor a replacement. Citadels arent even a major or important asset for them so youre better off just disrupting their activities.


I was going to reply with some of the detail on Macherial fits, but I am missing some specific knowledge which was putting the fits to use. So I hoped for someone who actually bumped professionally would reply in the right level of detail., I have to say that was an excellent post on bumping, but then again I knew taht you were in CODE at one point...

The assessment of CODE is interesting, I was noting the fall off in activity which seems to have got worse over the last couple of weeks, I had also noted the more Miniluv focus and the move to suupport the Goon war in Delve with ganks around Palas.

I get the impression that there are a lowish number of people ganking mining ships at the moment.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#143 - 2016-08-17 19:31:48 UTC
Faylee Freir wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Faylee Freir wrote:
I can personally attest that Loyal was very active during my ganking prime from July/August till the end of the year. So youre wrong.

And yet Z-Kill says he only ganked 2,045 freighters and 163 Jump Freighters in his entire 6-year EVE career - and he killed over 4,500 ships in January/February 2016 alone. Even if we assume that half of those are pods and some weren't freighters...that is still the *vast* majority of his freighter kills right there.

So while he may have been "active" at other times - he certainly wasn't killing "every freighter"....or even any significant number of freighters.

Go ask AG who they hate more, Loyalanon or Warrakini. They probably wont know who Warrakini is.


I certainly know who warrarkini is, he was the one I watched the most, he also was doing the recent ganking for Miniluv around Palas in support of the Goon attack on Delve. I know that he was heavily involved in funding Miniluv with carrier ratting in Deklin, plus he was doing a lot of the logistics. He was a multi-boxer using the tool which I have forgotten the name of, and when use of that was banned, he had difficulty adjusting from what I heard.

Loyalanon was killing empty freighters, Red Frog put up their rates because of him. He was really very very active..

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#144 - 2016-08-17 19:38:28 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Loyalanon was killing empty freighters, Red Frog put up their rates because of him. He was really very very active..

Well perhaps he is the reason red frogs losses went from 0.11% to 0.25% - but the fact remains that Kusion is ganking more freighters per day on average than Loyal did, right now - and the impact is still negligible in regards to hauling as a whole.

Also Red Frog is happy to have an excuse to raise their prices - I doubt they dropped it when Loyal got banned either P

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

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Runner Chase
Doomheim
#145 - 2016-08-17 19:38:51 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Cockchaos wrote:
Cockchaos wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Cockchaos wrote:
Yes I was a suicide ganker for large profit at one point.
This would be a lot more convincing if you posted on the character you ganked with...

If you were active at all on it....it is already Kill-On-Sight anyway due to sec status... So not sure why you would choose to hide it...


The character does not matter, this was years ago. Before ccp buffed mining vessel ehp due to constant indiscriminate harassment from gankers, I sold expensive mining modules in jita, then hunted down the buyers and destroyed the ships said modules were fitted to. It was easy billions.

I also earned tens of billions killing afk players sitting on gates in jita that auto piloted to system with pricy loot. Then ccp stealth nerfed drops and eventually implemented the dock feature to the autopilot.

Made a lot of players quit, the common frustration of those i hit was that they were unable to retaliate against me. There should be suicide ganking in EVE, ideally for profit, not to harass players because of their chosen play style. It also should be easier for targeted players to retaliate against the gankers.

Well it is still done for profit - just on a much larger scale than what you did (1000x, give or take)

And I doubt you listened to the people all those years ago who said they should be able to retaliate against you did you? So why is it different now? Just because it won't impact *you* anymore?


I laughed at them then, but I was targeting players with cargo many many times more valuable than their ships. CODE indiscriminately destroys ships with empty cargoholds just because they feel no consequence due to current game mechanics.

I stopped ganking because I dont want anyone quitting EVE these days. Sub numbers are on the decline. I dont want to see suicide ganking nerfed, I just want consequences for all.

Thats how EVE should be.

CODE. has found a way to earn tens of trillions of isk in profit, while simultaneously letting their members indiscriminately gank anything they feel like to pass the time...

I'll grant you they go a bit overboard sometimes, and they get downright creepy when they get really into Role Playing their characters...But it is all part of EVE.

And they do have consequences for ganking - they've simply found ways to compensate for them, as you did when you ganked.

As I have previously stated in this thread - they already use Citadels. We'll see if a certain someone follows through on killing any....

But in either case there is not a consequence in the game that is going to make them give up their 15+ trillion isk cash cow, short of simply making ganking impossible...



Ultimately the problem is not with the game mechanics, and not with CODE.

The problem is that while the gankers have organized and formed a solid Role-Playing organization - and figured out how to not only fund their organization and make it incredibly profitable (at least for the leadership) but also how to make it fun for their members - they have no counterpart on the "good" side to balance them out. The anti-ganking "organization" is a joke. They are unwilling/unable to actually form a cohesive group, nor are they able to find ways to get people involved, to let them have fun, nor even to fund anything...

What EVE really needs in relation to CODE. is a charismatic leader who can form an active, *fun*, and profitable anti-CODE. What EVE needs is an anti-James 315... a 513 semaJ perhaps?

Sadly you can't just make such a player start playing EVE with an interest in doing such a thing...So we are stuck dealing with CODE. on the one side and dozens/hundreds/thousands of disorganized/scattered subgroups on the other...[/quote] This !
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#146 - 2016-08-17 19:47:44 UTC
Runner Chases wrote:

I feel like I already read the exact same reply in another post
But, good points (too bad you'll get marked as a supporter like Dirty Forum Alt, even though you're not on CODE.'s side)
All the organized AG left to have fun elsewhere in game, so all that remains is as organized as a kindergarten class lol

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#147 - 2016-08-17 19:49:16 UTC
Runner Chase wrote:
they have no counterpart on the "good" side to balance them out

Funny, those quotes around good. Don't think there's a "good" side here-- the freighters are probably carrying PL's next Fortizar, GoonMoo, a provicende invasion fleet or replenishing Snuff's doomsday supply. Good is such a relative term eh?
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#148 - 2016-08-17 19:53:28 UTC
For the record guys - his quote tags just got messed up - the only word he added to my original post there was "This!"

It is amazing how often those nested quotes break themselves on these forums...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#149 - 2016-08-17 19:54:35 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
For the record guys - his quote tags just got messed up - the only word he added to my original post there was "This!"

It is amazing how often those nested quotes break themselves on these forums...

Ahh that explains it lol :Silly face:

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#150 - 2016-08-17 19:58:23 UTC
Well some CO2 players had a war dec on one of the Miniluv medium Citadels, me and a few lads tried to turn up to pick off their neutral logi, however we were late because for some odd reason I just could not log in for about 40 minutes, we got there too late and the only fun I had was enticing the Gankers to try to gank my Proteus which failed, funny part was that I had just told the OGB to drop links and dock so was getting the links back up, but as I was after burning away the thrashers were out of optimal and did not get through shields. Was fun though and the AG chaps appreciated it even though we failed to help the attack on the Citadel.

A lot of secondary Miniluv characters went into the corp that owned the Citadel, I have the names somewhere, they actually had a sizeable fleet, but if someone like VMG went for it, they would die in a ball of fire.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#151 - 2016-08-17 20:07:32 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Well some CO2 players had a war dec on one of the Miniluv medium Citadels, me and a few lads tried to turn up to pick off their neutral logi, however we were late because for some odd reason I just could not log in for about 40 minutes, we got there too late and the only fun I had was enticing the Gankers to try to gank my Proteus which failed, funny part was that I had just told the OGB to drop links and dock so was getting the links back up, but as I was after burning away the thrashers were out of optimal and did not get through shields. Was fun though and the AG chaps appreciated it even though we failed to help the attack on the Citadel.

A lot of secondary Miniluv characters went into the corp that owned the Citadel, I have the names somewhere, they actually had a sizeable fleet, but if someone like VMG went for it, they would die in a ball of fire.

If mini luv decides to pull in 200 dudes, it'll take a lot more than just VMG to kill them.

VMG excel at what they do, but numbers win most of the time Blink
There is no counter to that argument.

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Runner Chase
Doomheim
#152 - 2016-08-17 20:15:46 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Runner Chases wrote:

I feel like I already read the exact same reply in another post
But, good points (too bad you'll get marked as a supporter like Dirty Forum Alt, even though you're not on CODE.'s side)
All the organized AG left to have fun elsewhere in game, so all that remains is as organized as a kindergarten class lol

IDK I just got back to playing a week ago ? and I already lost an ore freighter, I was slipping and lost my ship in hek . I looked at local and it became obvious I was not the only victom and something about code ? I clicked the link for the blog and read, very interesting.

I don't care about being targeted for being anti CODE, Sign me up !

I like to manufacture, but willing to play any role in the resistance .
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#153 - 2016-08-17 20:16:57 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Well some CO2 players had a war dec on one of the Miniluv medium Citadels, me and a few lads tried to turn up to pick off their neutral logi, however we were late because for some odd reason I just could not log in for about 40 minutes, we got there too late and the only fun I had was enticing the Gankers to try to gank my Proteus which failed, funny part was that I had just told the OGB to drop links and dock so was getting the links back up, but as I was after burning away the thrashers were out of optimal and did not get through shields. Was fun though and the AG chaps appreciated it even though we failed to help the attack on the Citadel.

A lot of secondary Miniluv characters went into the corp that owned the Citadel, I have the names somewhere, they actually had a sizeable fleet, but if someone like VMG went for it, they would die in a ball of fire.

If mini luv decides to pull in 200 dudes, it'll take a lot more than just VMG to kill them.

VMG excel at what they do, but numbers win most of the time Blink
There is no counter to that argument.


True, it would be like a certain Hard Knocks Citizen event that cost VMG a few losses a couple of months back...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#154 - 2016-08-17 20:27:41 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Well some CO2 players had a war dec on one of the Miniluv medium Citadels, me and a few lads tried to turn up to pick off their neutral logi, however we were late because for some odd reason I just could not log in for about 40 minutes, we got there too late and the only fun I had was enticing the Gankers to try to gank my Proteus which failed, funny part was that I had just told the OGB to drop links and dock so was getting the links back up, but as I was after burning away the thrashers were out of optimal and did not get through shields. Was fun though and the AG chaps appreciated it even though we failed to help the attack on the Citadel.

A lot of secondary Miniluv characters went into the corp that owned the Citadel, I have the names somewhere, they actually had a sizeable fleet, but if someone like VMG went for it, they would die in a ball of fire.

If mini luv decides to pull in 200 dudes, it'll take a lot more than just VMG to kill them.

VMG excel at what they do, but numbers win most of the time Blink
There is no counter to that argument.


True, it would be like a certain Hard Knocks Citizen event that cost VMG a few losses a couple of months back...

Or the massacre 3 months back? CD and idk (90 some dudes) who else went up against 200 guys in t1 ships and nados
Isk war was lost that day lol

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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#155 - 2016-08-17 20:29:54 UTC
Runner Chase wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Runner Chases wrote:

I feel like I already read the exact same reply in another post
But, good points (too bad you'll get marked as a supporter like Dirty Forum Alt, even though you're not on CODE.'s side)
All the organized AG left to have fun elsewhere in game, so all that remains is as organized as a kindergarten class lol

IDK I just got back to playing a week ago ? and I already lost an ore freighter, I was slipping and lost my ship in hek . I looked at local and it became obvious I was not the only victom and something about code ? I clicked the link for the blog and read, very interesting.

I don't care about being targeted for being anti CODE, Sign me up !

I like to manufacture, but willing to play any role in the resistance .

Ironically he meant the OP would label you as being *part* of CODE. - not that anyone would label you as anti-CODE.

But the OP seems to have given up - or at least fallen asleep.

Dracvlad might be able to get you in touch with whatever passes for the organized anti-ganking people these days - I can't, sadly - but good luck o7

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Cockchaos
Doomheim
#156 - 2016-08-17 20:47:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Cockchaos
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Runner Chase wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Runner Chases wrote:

I feel like I already read the exact same reply in another post
But, good points (too bad you'll get marked as a supporter like Dirty Forum Alt, even though you're not on CODE.'s side)
All the organized AG left to have fun elsewhere in game, so all that remains is as organized as a kindergarten class lol

IDK I just got back to playing a week ago ? and I already lost an ore freighter, I was slipping and lost my ship in hek . I looked at local and it became obvious I was not the only victom and something about code ? I clicked the link for the blog and read, very interesting.

I don't care about being targeted for being anti CODE, Sign me up !

I like to manufacture, but willing to play any role in the resistance .

Ironically he meant the OP would label you as being *part* of CODE. - not that anyone would label you as anti-CODE.

But the OP seems to have given up - or at least fallen asleep.

Dracvlad might be able to get you in touch with whatever passes for the organized anti-ganking people these days - I can't, sadly - but good luck o7



Morning CODE Forum Alt, have not given up, there just isn't much to talk about.

Current game mechanics protect you and your boyfriends from the EVE community. I don't want ganking nerfed, I don't want bumping nerfted, I dont want CODE nerfed. The changes I would like to see do not prevent CODE from operating how they are now. I want gankers to have to go do some ratting before they can conduct business as usual, I want gankers to not be sheltered in high sec by NPC stations, not full docking restrictions, just partial. In short, I want there to be some consequences for criminal activity in high sec, consequences that put criminals at risk of losing assets other than throw away gank ships.

Of course you gankers dont want to fight for your ability to gank
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#157 - 2016-08-17 20:49:23 UTC
I dont officially speak for VMG but i can say that i personally believe that if you blow up a miniluv alt citadel it will have negligable effect since they are easily replaced.

I also wanted to talk about the wreck ehp change and others complaining about the "buff to ganking". Popping freighter wrecks was 100% uncounterable and could be done in a cheap Thrasher. You can ask miniluv how 1 person dedicated themselves to popping a ton of miniluv gank wrecks for almost and month and almost bankrupted them. Buffing wreck ehp not only benefitted gankers, but was good for everyone that was interested in looting wrecks. Not only was it beneficial to everyone but its good and proper balance to a mechanic that had no direct counter.

HTFU
Cockchaos
Doomheim
#158 - 2016-08-17 20:58:12 UTC
Faylee Freir wrote:
I dont officially speak for VMG but i can say that i personally believe that if you blow up a miniluv alt citadel it will have negligable effect since they are easily replaced.

I also wanted to talk about the wreck ehp change and others complaining about the "buff to ganking". Popping freighter wrecks was 100% uncounterable and could be done in a cheap Thrasher. You can ask miniluv how 1 person dedicated themselves to popping a ton of miniluv gank wrecks for almost and month and almost bankrupted them. Buffing wreck ehp not only benefitted gankers, but was good for everyone that was interested in looting wrecks. Not only was it beneficial to everyone but its good and proper balance to a mechanic that had no direct counter.


Destroying alt citadels will have no effect, not because they are easily replaced but because there is no reason to replace them, just move all the dog **** to the nearest NPC station, and conduct business as usual. The citadel becomes an asset when one must rat sec status back up to access NPC stations in high sec.

I agree with you regarding the wrecks, like I have said before, ganking should be easier, the ehp buffs to ships in the past were a mistake.

The problem with ganking is the gankers are often untouchable, there is no consequences for ganking at the moment. The only worry of the ganker is disruption ops. That is what needs to change.
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#159 - 2016-08-17 21:08:04 UTC
Cockchaos wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Runner Chase wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Runner Chases wrote:

I feel like I already read the exact same reply in another post
But, good points (too bad you'll get marked as a supporter like Dirty Forum Alt, even though you're not on CODE.'s side)
All the organized AG left to have fun elsewhere in game, so all that remains is as organized as a kindergarten class lol

IDK I just got back to playing a week ago ? and I already lost an ore freighter, I was slipping and lost my ship in hek . I looked at local and it became obvious I was not the only victom and something about code ? I clicked the link for the blog and read, very interesting.

I don't care about being targeted for being anti CODE, Sign me up !

I like to manufacture, but willing to play any role in the resistance .

Ironically he meant the OP would label you as being *part* of CODE. - not that anyone would label you as anti-CODE.

But the OP seems to have given up - or at least fallen asleep.

Dracvlad might be able to get you in touch with whatever passes for the organized anti-ganking people these days - I can't, sadly - but good luck o7



Morning CODE Forum Alt, have not given up, there just isn't much to talk about.

Current game mechanics protect you and your boyfriends from the EVE community. I don't want ganking nerfed, I don't want bumping nerfted, I dont want CODE nerfed. The changes I would like to see do not prevent CODE from operating how they are now. I want gankers to have to go do some ratting before they can conduct business as usual, I want gankers to not be sheltered in high sec by NPC stations, not full docking restrictions, just partial. In short, I want there to be some consequences for criminal activity in high sec, consequences that put criminals at risk of losing assets other than throw away gank ships.

Of course you gankers dont want to fight for your ability to gank

Ganking happened before CCP allowed us to buy tags. While your suggestions would make the activity more of a pain, ganking is an activity thats 100% based on RNG, requires abnormal amounts of dedication and preparation, and relies on players being dumb and/or greedy... So why punish us further?

HTFU
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#160 - 2016-08-17 21:10:32 UTC
Faylee Freir wrote:
I dont officially speak for VMG but i can say that i personally believe that if you blow up a miniluv alt citadel it will have negligable effect since they are easily replaced.

I also wanted to talk about the wreck ehp change and others complaining about the "buff to ganking". Popping freighter wrecks was 100% uncounterable and could be done in a cheap Thrasher. You can ask miniluv how 1 person dedicated themselves to popping a ton of miniluv gank wrecks for almost and month and almost bankrupted them. Buffing wreck ehp not only benefitted gankers, but was good for everyone that was interested in looting wrecks. Not only was it beneficial to everyone but its good and proper balance to a mechanic that had no direct counter.


Yes it was something that could be counted, and the gankers did a few times, it is however not easily counted. The real issue of this was the lack of understanding by CCP on the emergent game play occurring within the AG group, some of the players were actually starting to create gank characters. Who knows where this would have developed if CCP had given this a bit more time to develop.

So what I find is the sudden action by Endie in pushing for it as AG starts ganking freighter wrecks, then CCP realising what they had done and then buffing the EHP of freighters to balance off against it and then gankers going on about the massive nerf to ganking by this balance. If CCP had looked at the situation and understood what was going on or even talked to someone from AG they might have actually thought about it and scaled it in, but no.

And I would not be surprised if the person who did this had not even mentioned the fact that Ag was starting to gank freighter wrecks.

The issue most of all was that AG is a bit part militia with people mainly spending bits of SP when they can spare it on toons that they only just managed to push themselves to use for ganking wrecks. It killed it stone cold dead. Now of course I will get all the normal stuff about step up your game fail AG and the like, but the thing was only a very few AG players were doing it and bang. Do the gankers have to win like that. And the answer is yes...

So yes I agree with the logic of the change, but how it happened stinks...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp