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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#41 - 2016-08-15 20:09:15 UTC
Cockchaos wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Cockchaos wrote:
And if this character turned up then what? organize players to camp CODE alts who will only undock in cheap ships? There is no fun in that. Players want to do more than disrupt CODE, they want to destroy their assets, due to current game mechanics it is not possible.

There is no consequence for ganking, they dont lose anymore sec status, not that it matters because they can dock/undock anywhere, use highsec gates to travel, use their alts, etc. For an organization that earns what you say they earn, their should be some risk involved for them.

I'm not saying that they don't dock in random citadels, what I'm saying is that if they had to operate out of citadels in high securtity space said citadels would burn. That is the direction EVE should be going in with the introduction of structures.

Those who harbor my enemy, are my enemy, and I will attack them as well.


You can shoot CODE. alt assets.
It's called wardecs.

As for consequences,
Well there's:
-ship lost
-sec status loss
-criminal timer
-anyone can shoot at you
-everyone hates you (see Nitshe)
-****** forum posts
-nerfs every once in a while

And there's many more.

There's more risk now as a ganker than there was when you supposedly ganked.
More opportunities to f. up, more opportunities to fail a gank. But they don't care, they're having fun wrecking people's dreams Lol


Imbecile, vulnerable CODE assets is not in your list, that is the problem. Throw away gank ships do not count.

I agree that there has been a lot of nerfs to gankers, eventually CCP will realize that gankers will always be there as they should, what CCP needs to do is implement ways for players to fight back. All the ehp buffs is worthless, ship hitpoints are not the problem or the solution. Its all about consequence and vulnerability.

You won't get much help by calling helpful people imbeciles lmao
You're not very resourceful for a supposedly "ex-ganker"..
The new generation is probably already laughing at your failure Cool

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Cockchaos
Doomheim
#42 - 2016-08-15 20:26:38 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Cockchaos wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Cockchaos wrote:
And if this character turned up then what? organize players to camp CODE alts who will only undock in cheap ships? There is no fun in that. Players want to do more than disrupt CODE, they want to destroy their assets, due to current game mechanics it is not possible.

There is no consequence for ganking, they dont lose anymore sec status, not that it matters because they can dock/undock anywhere, use highsec gates to travel, use their alts, etc. For an organization that earns what you say they earn, their should be some risk involved for them.

I'm not saying that they don't dock in random citadels, what I'm saying is that if they had to operate out of citadels in high securtity space said citadels would burn. That is the direction EVE should be going in with the introduction of structures.

Those who harbor my enemy, are my enemy, and I will attack them as well.


You can shoot CODE. alt assets.
It's called wardecs.

As for consequences,
Well there's:
-ship lost
-sec status loss
-criminal timer
-anyone can shoot at you
-everyone hates you (see Nitshe)
-****** forum posts
-nerfs every once in a while

And there's many more.

There's more risk now as a ganker than there was when you supposedly ganked.
More opportunities to f. up, more opportunities to fail a gank. But they don't care, they're having fun wrecking people's dreams Lol


Imbecile, vulnerable CODE assets is not in your list, that is the problem. Throw away gank ships do not count.

I agree that there has been a lot of nerfs to gankers, eventually CCP will realize that gankers will always be there as they should, what CCP needs to do is implement ways for players to fight back. All the ehp buffs is worthless, ship hitpoints are not the problem or the solution. Its all about consequence and vulnerability.

You won't get much help by calling helpful people imbeciles lmao
You're not very resourceful for a supposedly "ex-ganker"..
The new generation is probably already laughing at your failure Cool


Way to avoid the topic, standard.
Allise Soprano
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#43 - 2016-08-15 21:29:26 UTC
Delicious salty tears from OP as normal
Cockchaos
Doomheim
#44 - 2016-08-15 21:45:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Cockchaos
Allise Soprano wrote:
Delicious salty tears from OP as normal


Haha I'm not crying, just pointing out that yall operate with impunity due to current game mechanics. Someday things may change, and if they do, CODE will be swiftly crushed :)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#45 - 2016-08-15 23:01:16 UTC
Cockchaos wrote:
And if this character turned up then what? organize players to camp CODE alts who will only undock in cheap ships? There is no fun in that. Players want to do more than disrupt CODE, they want to destroy their assets, due to current game mechanics it is not possible.

There is no consequence for ganking, they dont lose anymore sec status, not that it matters because they can dock/undock anywhere, use highsec gates to travel, use their alts, etc. For an organization that earns what you say they earn, their should be some risk involved for them.

I'm not saying that they don't dock in random citadels, what I'm saying is that if they had to operate out of citadels in high securtity space said citadels would burn. That is the direction EVE should be going in with the introduction of structures.

Those who harbor my enemy, are my enemy, and I will attack them as well.


Hopefully CCP takes note, there are a lot of players who are losing their assets and want to take the fight to CODE, unfortunately they can't, the game mechanics do not allow it, so many simply leave the game.

You might be surprised how many vulnerable assets they actually have...

Look at Nitshe's killboard for example. At least he went out and killed CODE. assets instead of just assuming they didn't have any and making a thread about it...

They may well dock in random citadels (and would continue to do so even if your changes were implemented) - but they don't leave it to random chance in their main pipeline staging areas...They *own* citadels, even if they use alts. Also your changes would do nothing to affect their non-ganking alts/main characters...so still no "real" consequences...

Face it, you can wish all you want, but there is no way to add consequences severe enough it will stop CODE. from ganking short of 100% removing ganking from the game - and CCP is not ready to take that giant leap...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Cockchaos
Doomheim
#46 - 2016-08-15 23:14:07 UTC
Lets imagine -10 characters could not dock in high sec npc stations. Citadel owners could bar them from docking they would be forced to dock into their own citadels, citadels that are openly friendly to them, or stage out of low sec. That right there would provide assets for the carebear coalition to target, and those losses would not only damage their ability to operate, but also their wallets.

Those changes would not change suicide ganking at all, players could still gank targets, however it would increase consequences and attacker vulnerability because now you must go rat your status back up, or set up a citadel to fight out of.

You are obviously bias towards CODE haha
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#47 - 2016-08-15 23:16:37 UTC
As for what 513 semaJ could do with a well-funded role-playing group of Shining White Knights in the fight against code here are some ideas (and I'm not a particularly creative or inspiring person - a good leader could probably be more creative):


  • Camp Code Ganking Characters
  • Interdict Code resupply alts (counter-gank)
  • Steal/destroy loot from ganks
  • Defend the primary ganking systems - keep Freighters alive (most of them don't get alpha'd - they die over 15-20 full seconds during which rr/ecm can come into play)
  • Target known CODE. Supporters - they conveniently publish A List
  • Spread propaganda to counter their propaganda
  • Educate others in how to battle CODE.
  • Etc....

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#48 - 2016-08-15 23:19:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Cockchaos wrote:
Lets imagine -10 characters could not dock in high sec npc stations. Citadel owners could bar them from docking they would be forced to dock into their own citadels, citadels that are openly friendly to them, or stage out of low sec. That right there would provide assets for the carebear coalition to target, and those losses would not only damage their ability to operate, but also their wallets.

Those changes would not change suicide ganking at all, players could still gank targets, however it would increase consequences and attacker vulnerability because now you must go rat your status back up, or set up a citadel to fight out of.

You are obviously bias towards CODE haha

I don't know how many more times I can say this: They already own Citadels. Nobody is touching them. Certainly not *you*...

Also suicide alts don't *need* to dock - they could go back to boarding ships out of orcas/bowheads - a minor inconvenience at best.

Quite honestly I don't much care one way or another about CODE. - I kill them when I happen to see them, but I don't hate them and I couldn't care less who they gank. I'm just pointing out the flaws in your theory and not so subtly hinting that if you have the firepower...there are already good places to apply it....

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Cockchaos
Doomheim
#49 - 2016-08-15 23:26:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cockchaos
You CODE sympathizers keep posting these lists that contain ways of only disrupting their activities. An organization that earns as much isk as you claim should be at a bit more risk. Game mechanics should allow for complete destruction of all organizations in game. Especially when it comes to CODE, considering the amount of ships they destroy, and the amount of players that leave EVE because of their actions.

I mentioned orcas earlier.

These citadels are owned by alts yes? and if we were to attack them it would change nothing, because -10s can dock anywhere after the citadels were destroyed.

The issue is -10s being able to dock anywhere, and continue to operate without ratting sec status back up or having to do anything at all before attacking more players in high sec.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#50 - 2016-08-15 23:28:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Cockchaos wrote:
You CODE sympathizers keep posting these lists that contain ways of only disrupting their activities. An organization that earns as much isk as you claim should be at a bit more risk. Game mechanics should allow for complete destruction of all organizations in game. Especially when it comes to CODE, considering the amount of ships they destroy, and the amount of players that leave EVE because of their actions.

I mentioned orcas earlier.

These citadels are owned by alts yes? and if we were to attack them it would change nothing, because -10s can dock anywhere after the citadels were destroyed.

The issue is -10s being able to dock anywhere, and continue to operate without ratting sec status back up or having to do anything at all before attacking more players in high sec.

You said you wanted to be able to target their assets...

I tell you you can do so...right now...

You say it doesn't matter....not worth it?

This is why nobody is ever going to listen to you...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Cockchaos
Doomheim
#51 - 2016-08-15 23:33:11 UTC
Targeting alt citadels does not change the outcome, why is that so hard for you to comprehend hahaha

The problem is with current game mechanics, but like you said, if they are getting stronger, and more players are leaving EVE because of them, eventually CCP will change the mechanics so that players will be able to deal real damage to them.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#52 - 2016-08-15 23:34:45 UTC
You think people should be able to be completely destroyed, 100%? Fine, I'm unsubscribed already anyway lets do it.

But what you are talking about won't do that. Not even for CODE.

If you want that, you need to implement Walking In Stations as a full-fledged FPS mode - so we can break into people's hangars and murder their clone's while they sleep - and steal/destroy all of their assets in space-dock. And not just -10 players - all players. That is only fair.

Are you prepared for that?

If not, then you should accept the fact that *nobody* can be "completely destroyed" in this game...not CODE., and not *you*. Games have limits, and safe places people can hide in. Deal with it.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Cockchaos
Doomheim
#53 - 2016-08-15 23:38:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Cockchaos
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
You think people should be able to be completely destroyed, 100%? Fine, I'm unsubscribed already anyway lets do it.

But what you are talking about won't do that. Not even for CODE.

If you want that, you need to implement Walking In Stations as a full-fledged FPS mode - so we can break into people's hangars and murder their clone's while they sleep - and steal/destroy all of their assets in space-dock. And not just -10 players - all players. That is only fair.

Are you prepared for that?

If not, then you should accept the fact that *nobody* can be "completely destroyed" in this game...not CODE., and not *you*. Games have limits, and safe places people can hide in. Deal with it.




Relax buddy, its just a game hahahaha

All im asking for is -10 to not be so untouchable in high sec (not be able to dock everywhere), If i knew you were going to freak out like a teenage girl over internet spaceship video games I would not have said anything hahahaha

Are all you CODE types little girls like this or what hahaha
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#54 - 2016-08-15 23:38:50 UTC
Cockchaos wrote:
Targeting alt citadels does not change the outcome, why is that so hard for you to comprehend hahaha

The problem is with current game mechanics, but like you said, if they are getting stronger, and more players are leaving EVE because of them, eventually CCP will change the mechanics so that players will be able to deal real damage to them.

And if you can't kill an alt citadel now you certainly can't kill it when all code operations rely on it...

It is a large, *expensive*, targettable asset that has a lot of their ganking materials tied up in it. Right now.

It is literally a way for you to deal some serious, noticeable damage to CODE.


But you don't care. Because you are all talk.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#55 - 2016-08-15 23:40:12 UTC
Cockchaos wrote:
Relax buddy, its just a game hahahaha

All im asking for is -10 to not be so untouchable in high sec (not be able to dock everywhere), If i knew you were going to freak out like a teenage girl over internet spaceship video games I would not have said anything hahahaha

Are all you CODE types little girls like this or what hahaha

And all I'm telling you is it wouldn't change anything...it is a bad idea.


And I'm still not a CODE. type... You are closer to being in CODE. than I am - pretty sure I've been black-listed P

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Cockchaos
Doomheim
#56 - 2016-08-15 23:49:15 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Cockchaos wrote:
Targeting alt citadels does not change the outcome, why is that so hard for you to comprehend hahaha

The problem is with current game mechanics, but like you said, if they are getting stronger, and more players are leaving EVE because of them, eventually CCP will change the mechanics so that players will be able to deal real damage to them.

And if you can't kill an alt citadel now you certainly can't kill it when all code operations rely on it...

It is a large, *expensive*, targettable asset that has a lot of their ganking materials tied up in it. Right now.

It is literally a way for you to deal some serious, noticeable damage to CODE.


But you don't care. Because you are all talk.



Why would I waste my time organizing that op? They would just move all their **** to the nearest npc station and continue business as usual. I'm only interested in ending business as usual you whiny little girl hahahaha

Your right, it is a bad idea... for all your boyfriends in CODE hahahaha
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#57 - 2016-08-15 23:52:43 UTC
So...all you want to do is talk.

And never do anything.

Ever.

Got it.

Enjoy your trolling - all you are good at these days obviously P

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Cockchaos
Doomheim
#58 - 2016-08-16 00:19:48 UTC
Now that you are not freaking out like a little girl, I dont even want to talk hahahaha
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#59 - 2016-08-16 00:27:55 UTC
Cockchaos wrote:
Now that you are not freaking out like a little girl, I dont even want to talk hahahaha

Clearly you have never seen anybody freak out before - once again proving you lied about ever being a ganker.

Also you are then admitting you started this thread purely to troll, in clear violation of forum rules?

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Allise Soprano
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#60 - 2016-08-16 00:35:57 UTC
TLDR = OP comes to the forums to complain. wont do anything but complain. anything that is not complaining is too much work.

did I miss anything?