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The Butthole Licker
Doomheim
#281 - 2016-08-23 02:16:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallente Citizen 10441710
Le Plebo wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:

You and I both know that under current mechanics the owners of the 12 freighters you guys destroyed in the past few hours are unable to deal the same damage to CODE that was dealt to them. Unbalanced gameply.


Why is it that you plebs cant grasp the fact this is an MMORPG


  • MASSIVE
  • MULTIPLAYER
  • ONLINE
  • ROLE
  • PLAYING
  • GAME


If these freighter pilots did any of the following they would of lived


  • Got a permit
  • Flew with a friend for webs
  • Flew with a scout
  • Checked the killboards
  • Checked intel channels
  • Went the long way
  • Fit bulkheads with a descent pod
  • Fit nomads
  • I really could keep going but i wont


But instead their greed got the better of them. So please explain to me why CCP should hand hold these people and you because as im seeing it, you have at a minimum 8 ways to combat this, but are to lazy to do anything about it.


LOL for the 10th time, you list a bunch of measures that will prevent one from being ganked and you are right, those are great ways to prevent it. However, if you are suicide ganked for whatever reason, game mechanics should be in place to allow players to retaliate and cause equal damage. Chasing -10 alts around in throw away gank ships is not retaliation, that is disruption.

Retaliation needs a buff, its that simple.
Chapo Muerte
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#282 - 2016-08-23 02:17:59 UTC
The Butthole Licker wrote:

I was a suicide ganker, its an important part of the game and should not be removed. If i had it my way CCP would reverse all of the nerfs and implement mechanics that allow for players to retaliate.

I think -10s to be able to roam around, and stay on grid if they would like to without having to warp out due to faction police.

I know about the tag mechanics, been playing since 2009. Just because something is implemented by CCP does not mean its a good decision.

I want ganking to be easier, but retaliation needs to be buffed as well. The only reason you guys exist, is because you are sheltered by the current mechanics. Its no fun chasing -10s in throw away gank ships around, the EVE community wants to do real damage to CODE.


The reason we exist is we are a necessary evil and eve encourages the sandbox, if Code didn't exist im sure you would find something else to complain about, but hey - each to his own.

If we are ganking we are providing content for the gankers.
If people are trying to stop us from ganking we are providing content for them aswell. As much as anti-ganking would hate to admit it, without us they wouldn't know what to do with themselves.
If someone is getting ganked - they are being provided content at the time and in the future they will be more aware and pay attention in game.

10 logistics ships will stop most freighter ganks. How hard is it to get 10 random pilots considering the antiganking channel has 200+ at anyone time in channel.

All im hearing is excuses that its too hard to make an effort to try to stop ganking.

Should I complain about the fact that antigankers can repair freighters risk free with logistics ships? No, I just bring more dps. That's called overcoming a problem. instead of wanting someone to overcome it for me.
The Butthole Licker
Doomheim
#283 - 2016-08-23 02:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallente Citizen 10441710
Chapo Muerte wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:

I was a suicide ganker, its an important part of the game and should not be removed. If i had it my way CCP would reverse all of the nerfs and implement mechanics that allow for players to retaliate.

I think -10s to be able to roam around, and stay on grid if they would like to without having to warp out due to faction police.

I know about the tag mechanics, been playing since 2009. Just because something is implemented by CCP does not mean its a good decision.

I want ganking to be easier, but retaliation needs to be buffed as well. The only reason you guys exist, is because you are sheltered by the current mechanics. Its no fun chasing -10s in throw away gank ships around, the EVE community wants to do real damage to CODE.


The reason we exist is we are a necessary evil and eve encourages the sandbox, if Code didn't exist im sure you would find something else to complain about, but hey - each to his own.

If we are ganking we are providing content for the gankers.
If people are trying to stop us from ganking we are providing content for them aswell. As much as anti-ganking would hate to admit it, without us they wouldn't know what to do with themselves.
If someone is getting ganked - they are being provided content at the time and in the future they will be more aware and pay attention in game.

10 logistics ships will stop most freighter ganks. How hard is it to get 10 random pilots considering the antiganking channel has 200+ at anyone time in channel.

All im hearing is excuses that its too hard to make an effort to try to stop ganking.

Should I complain about the fact that antigankers can repair freighters risk free with logistics ships? No, I just bring more dps. That's called overcoming a problem. instead of wanting someone to overcome it for me.




Again, still hung up on prevention. I want CODE to exist, however, I want you guys to have to fight just like everyone else in game to exist.

Considering the amount of assets you guys destroy.
Le Plebo
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#284 - 2016-08-23 02:24:04 UTC
The Butthole Licker wrote:
I want you guys to have to fight just like everyone else in game to exist.


Ganking has been the most nerfed thing in all of eve. Im pretty sure we have proved that we have had this fight many times over
Chapo Muerte
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#285 - 2016-08-23 02:25:12 UTC
The Butthole Licker wrote:
Chapo Muerte wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:

I was a suicide ganker, its an important part of the game and should not be removed. If i had it my way CCP would reverse all of the nerfs and implement mechanics that allow for players to retaliate.

I think -10s to be able to roam around, and stay on grid if they would like to without having to warp out due to faction police.

I know about the tag mechanics, been playing since 2009. Just because something is implemented by CCP does not mean its a good decision.

I want ganking to be easier, but retaliation needs to be buffed as well. The only reason you guys exist, is because you are sheltered by the current mechanics. Its no fun chasing -10s in throw away gank ships around, the EVE community wants to do real damage to CODE.


The reason we exist is we are a necessary evil and eve encourages the sandbox, if Code didn't exist im sure you would find something else to complain about, but hey - each to his own.

If we are ganking we are providing content for the gankers.
If people are trying to stop us from ganking we are providing content for them aswell. As much as anti-ganking would hate to admit it, without us they wouldn't know what to do with themselves.
If someone is getting ganked - they are being provided content at the time and in the future they will be more aware and pay attention in game.

10 logistics ships will stop most freighter ganks. How hard is it to get 10 random pilots considering the antiganking channel has 200+ at anyone time in channel.

All im hearing is excuses that its too hard to make an effort to try to stop ganking.

Should I complain about the fact that antigankers can repair freighters risk free with logistics ships? No, I just bring more dps. That's called overcoming a problem. instead of wanting someone to overcome it for me.




Again, still hung up on prevention. I want CODE to exist, however, I want you guys to have to fight just like everyone else in game to exist.


Good luck on that. looking forward to the many more tear threads im sure we will see you in.
The Butthole Licker
Doomheim
#286 - 2016-08-23 02:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallente Citizen 10441710
Le Plebo wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:
I want you guys to have to fight just like everyone else in game to exist.


Ganking has been the most nerfed thing in all of eve. Im pretty sure we have proved that we have had this fight many times over



CCP should undo the past nerfs, and implement what I suggested. The fight that would come from these changes would be nothing like you codies have seen before lol

I dont want ganking to stop, it should be easier, for the 10th time.
Le Plebo
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#287 - 2016-08-23 02:37:38 UTC
The Butthole Licker wrote:


CCP should undo the past nerfs, and implement what I suggested. The fight that would come from these changes would be nothing like you codies have seen before lol


Good luck with that
The Butthole Licker
Doomheim
#288 - 2016-08-23 02:48:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallente Citizen 10441710
Le Plebo wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:


CCP should undo the past nerfs, and implement what I suggested. The fight that would come from these changes would be nothing like you codies have seen before lol


Good luck with that


They wont, but eventually something will change. Hopefully the changes wont make suicide ganking harder, but will buff retaliation.
Chapo Muerte
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#289 - 2016-08-23 03:08:14 UTC
The Butthole Licker wrote:


They wont, but eventually something will change. Hopefully the changes wont make suicide ganking harder, but will buff retaliation.



Still waiting on you to provide valid ideas on what retaliation involves besides banning - 10 characters from highsec BearBear
The Butthole Licker
Doomheim
#290 - 2016-08-23 03:11:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallente Citizen 10441710
Chapo Muerte wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:


They wont, but eventually something will change. Hopefully the changes wont make suicide ganking harder, but will buff retaliation.



Still waiting on you to provide valid ideas on what retaliation involves besides banning - 10 characters from highsec BearBear



Clearly your reading comprehension is at the lowest possible level hahaha. The few changes that are needed to buff retaliation have already been explained multiple times. There is nothing about banning -10 toons in high sec, or suicide ganking changing in any way.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#291 - 2016-08-23 06:43:23 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
[Yeah non-CODE people, .... right! I have seen a large number of CODE alts start acting super aggressive and saying stuff and that getting reported as AG ranting. I have seen a number of these CODE alts spreading misinformation on how to avoid ganking such as log off if you get bumped..., it is laughable.

You see what you want to see.

I was in your channels before I was even into CODE. (because believe it or not I hated CODE. before understanding the whys)
I saw more misinformation about simple stuff on your end in a month than in the CODE. channels in almost 2 years lol

also, the toxic atmosphere would have made me quit from those channels (but got kicked before so whatevs lol)


I think you have a total disconnection from reality in terms of what you define as toxic, do you find people having conversations about yield and tank fits toxic, do you find the guy talking about naming his character after famous jazz singers toxic, do you find people reporting gankers and telling others what they are doing to counter them toxic.

Since I have been in the channel which is a couple of years I have seen a grand total of two players start swearing at CODE and both got removed. It is true however that during US prime time I am snoring my head off, but in the TZ's I operate in there is nothing at all. As I understand it you are US TZ so I assume taht is what you refer to, but I never see it.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Solecist Project
#292 - 2016-08-23 10:27:44 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I think you have a total disconnection from reality in terms of what you define as toxic, do you find people having conversations about yield and tank fits toxic, do you find the guy talking about naming his character after famous jazz singers toxic, do you find people reporting gankers and telling others what they are doing to counter them toxic.

Since I have been in the channel which is a couple of years I have seen a grand total of two players start swearing at CODE and both got removed. It is true however that during US prime time I am snoring my head off, but in the TZ's I operate in there is nothing at all. As I understand it you are US TZ so I assume taht is what you refer to, but I never see it.

is the top paragraph a bunch of questions or statements?

Well I can tell you that as soon as a ganker enters and tries to help ...
... then some people come out of the shadows and hate.

I tried that numerous times in the past, with different chars and always the same results.

Maybe it's a TZ thing, but your opinion about the toxicity of that channel isn't really reflecting reality.
it fits well with the toxic, borderline fascist behaviour of carebears.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Galaxy Mule
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#293 - 2016-08-23 13:43:47 UTC
The Butthole Licker wrote:
I lost billions to a group of players. I missed every single chance to prevent it from happening or fight back while it was in progress. Now I want a chance to get back at them way after the fact, only problem is, they aren't idiots, so they don't fly around in ships worth billions. In fact, they never fly anything worth more than 10 mil. CCPlease make the game fair!


Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#294 - 2016-08-23 14:16:14 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I think you have a total disconnection from reality in terms of what you define as toxic, do you find people having conversations about yield and tank fits toxic, do you find the guy talking about naming his character after famous jazz singers toxic, do you find people reporting gankers and telling others what they are doing to counter them toxic.

Since I have been in the channel which is a couple of years I have seen a grand total of two players start swearing at CODE and both got removed. It is true however that during US prime time I am snoring my head off, but in the TZ's I operate in there is nothing at all. As I understand it you are US TZ so I assume taht is what you refer to, but I never see it.

is the top paragraph a bunch of questions or statements?

Well I can tell you that as soon as a ganker enters and tries to help ...
... then some people come out of the shadows and hate.

I tried that numerous times in the past, with different chars and always the same results.

Maybe it's a TZ thing, but your opinion about the toxicity of that channel isn't really reflecting reality.
it fits well with the toxic, borderline fascist behaviour of carebears.


That was the conversation I saw when I logged on today. People don't want ganker alts in there, if they are noticed they are removed, it is a moderated channel, stop crying over the fact its moderated, hell some of our guys got removed from the ganker channel, are we crying over it?

Whats with the Fascist rubbish, you really are fail at forum stuff...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#295 - 2016-08-23 16:11:31 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
some of our guys got removed from the ganker channel, are we crying over it?

Yes.
Yes they absolutely are.

Do they tell you why they get removed?
I guess not, but let me enlighten you.
Toxic anti-social behaviour, insults everywhere, no wish to even let people talk (they spam crap).
They only go there to cry like Nitshe cries on every single one of my posts (like a stalker lmao)
At least most gankers that go in the AG chans either:
A) don't talk,
B) try to give useful info,
before getting kicked for having a permit and whatnot XD

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The Butthole Licker
Doomheim
#296 - 2016-08-23 19:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallente Citizen 10441710
Galaxy Mule wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:
I lost billions to a group of players. I missed every single chance to prevent it from happening or fight back while it was in progress. Now I want a chance to get back at them way after the fact, only problem is, they aren't idiots, so they don't fly around in ships worth billions. In fact, they never fly anything worth more than 10 mil. CCPlease make the game fair!





Its nice to see a codie admitting that their gameply is overpowered, and they operate with impunity. Thank you hahahaha, I'm glad one of you are willing to admit it, because I didn't say that.

Just because you don't prevent something, does not mean you should not be able to retaliate.
Galaxy Mule
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#297 - 2016-08-23 19:24:56 UTC
What's overpowered? The fact that we fly cheap while you lumber around with everything you own? Please, do elaborate.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#298 - 2016-08-23 19:26:06 UTC
The Butthole Licker wrote:
Galaxy Mule wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:
I lost billions to a group of players. I missed every single chance to prevent it from happening or fight back while it was in progress. Now I want a chance to get back at them way after the fact, only problem is, they aren't idiots, so they don't fly around in ships worth billions. In fact, they never fly anything worth more than 10 mil. CCPlease make the game fair!





Its nice to see a codie admitting that their gameply is overpowered, and they operate with impunity. Thank you hahahaha, I'm glad one of you are willing to admit it, because I didn't say that.

Just because you don't prevent something, does not mean you should not be able to retaliate.

You can retaliate and have the means to do so, you just choose not to. If you want to gank one of their shiny ships, you will have to wait a while.

Tap into that creativity and surprise them, don't just keep complaining on the forums.
The Butthole Licker
Doomheim
#299 - 2016-08-23 19:30:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallente Citizen 10441710
Galaxy Mule wrote:
What's overpowered? The fact that we fly cheap while you lumber around with everything you own? Please, do elaborate.



...still waiting for you to respond regarding the homophobic rhetoric comment

If you are destroying hundreds of billions of assets weekly, the mechanics should be in place so that all those freighter owners that you blow up can retaliate by doing more than chasing you and your boyfriends around in throw away gank ships.
The Butthole Licker
Doomheim
#300 - 2016-08-23 19:35:54 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:
Galaxy Mule wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:
I lost billions to a group of players. I missed every single chance to prevent it from happening or fight back while it was in progress. Now I want a chance to get back at them way after the fact, only problem is, they aren't idiots, so they don't fly around in ships worth billions. In fact, they never fly anything worth more than 10 mil. CCPlease make the game fair!





Its nice to see a codie admitting that their gameply is overpowered, and they operate with impunity. Thank you hahahaha, I'm glad one of you are willing to admit it, because I didn't say that.

Just because you don't prevent something, does not mean you should not be able to retaliate.

You can retaliate and have the means to do so, you just choose not to. If you want to gank one of their shiny ships, you will have to wait a while.

Tap into that creativity and surprise them, don't just keep complaining on the forums.


Some see it as complaining, I see it as having a constructive conversation that hopefully will lead to mechanics being added that will create content by giving the EVE community more options to retaliate against their attackers.