EVE General Discussion

You are right to a degree Sol..Merc internal drama stems from that very thing you mention; "Everyone is only caring about himself and gaining personal wealth!". It is not, unfortunately, an issue only to carebears. Eve has become passive, complacent, and caters to the few over themany.

In the end, CCP is a business. They know this 13 year old game will someday die..they aren't concerned with keeping the vets happy, they are concerned with making as much money as they can while the cash cow is still grazing. After all, it IS a business. That doesn't make it right, no. They want new subs..someone to come into the game, pay for a year sub..and it doesn't matter if they quit 2 months later. IMO, focus should be on content and the players who have stuck it out with the game over the years. But, unfortunately, that is not their goal.

Something will give one way or another soon enough. I'm sure there's only so much people will tolerate before it's too much. Until then, enjoy the ride..because you never know when the last stop is.

It really just depends on where you stand and how you see it. After all, it's not so much what something really is, rather a matter of interpretation. It doesn't matter if something is green if all views on it are that it's red. Such interpretation is the basis of all things, be it true or not.

Long term goals are there to keep the appearance things are moving forward. After all, if they announced nothing was planned, how many would stick with something that was sitting in place and not moving? Work will be done regardless until the day the servers shut down. What that work is, and what it means, is again a matter of interpretation.

Yeah. We have dealt with the issues and new leadership will be moving alliance forward.

CONCORD is there to if not prevent illegal and unruly activity by the threat of consequence, to apply a consequence which makes such activity costly in some fashion. I think CONCORD's reaction is a bit on the light side for suicide gankers (claiming to be pirates, who by the way were summarily executed without trial.) Such unruly behavior can be conducted in areas where there is no CONCORD presence.

People advocating removal of CONCORD, or ways to circumvent this do it for a reason and they never say what that reason actually is. That's why these threads get so long. They billow with the tortured logic these people must invent in order to hide their true intentions, which are simply to do like they did in WOW. Descend upon lesser players with their uber gear and "gank" them. "Gank" is a term invented in WOW for just this practice.

You're in a game where we don't like that sort of thing. We like fair fights. We like people pitting themselves against those who can fight back. We know there are those who can figure out how to game a system, as has been done here. Sadly, management's reaction to this has been less than helpful. Even the gankers aren't happy that CCP doesn't make the game like WOW - an open PVP arena. You walk up the middle of the road, you're sure to be run over.

The upshot is always - play like me or get lost, for the gankers who pretend they have something to do with PvP. But, they don't. They play MvMV (Me vs My Victim), and they can't help but think, "Gee. If that CONCORD thing weren't there, I'd get away with this (behavior akin to pulling off flies' wings and laughing at them)."

These people have a psychological problem. Naturally, they don't want to admit that. They spend time at their shrink's convincing him/her that they're normal and everybody else is "risk averse". They spend the same time here doing that, too. What a big surprise! Naturally, their hope is to bully and over run the "risk averse", and get their own way - always in the interest of "fair play."

What we have going for us is, these people also have short attention spans and never stay long. It just seems like more 'cause EVE attracts them. They hear EVE lets you do whatever you want to anybody, and they come running. They get CONCORDED once and it's, "Heeeeey. Waytamminnit....I thought...." Then the wheels start spinning. They run in here and presto, another "line of logic" amounting to a vast digital wasteland chewing up as much bandwidth as a CODE Mining Permit.

Whoa...lots of stuff here.

"I think CONCORD's reaction is a bit on the light side for suicide gankers." They blew up the ship which is far from light. Also, should CONCORD react differently to non-suicide gankers? How would CONCROD tell the difference?

"We like fair fights." Are we playing the same game? If you are in a fair fight then you've had an intelligence failure.

"Even the gankers aren't happy that CCP doesn't make the game like WOW - an open PVP arena." PvP is possible anywhere so I guess it might be described as an open PvP arena but that term has a particular meaning that doesn't apply to EVE.

"The upshot is always - play like me or get lost, for the gankers who pretend they have something to do with PvP." I think the overwhelming majority of requests for changes is by those being ganked. The gankees wish to play in peace and not be subject to others and change the entire basis of the game to fit their playstyle. PvP is player vs. player. If a ganker shoots another player then that meets the definition.

"These people have a psychological problem." Seems a bit of an unprovable statement and a bit over the top as well.

P.S. I never played WoW so I've brought no ideas from that game into this one.

You don't want that.

Well. Not so fast with regard to the storyline. I advocate capital criminal status for pirates. No using gates. No using stations, and an NPC generated bounty....a fine can be discussed...a crippling fine...you know, like the good old days. You may think you want to be Blackbeard, but nobody wants to be Blackbeard the day they caught up with him.

Anyhoo. Beef up the faction's capacities. Replace CONCORD with Minmatar in Minmatar space. Same capability. Different logo. Min's enforce Min. Caldari/Caldari and so on. These areas like "Interbus" has a sovereignty over? Weird. It's like states. Interbus is a private company, not a state. This is where things are more than muddled. Maybe it was some long ago fiction writer imagining what future government organization would look like. I don't know. But, this present condition doesn't permit the natural logic that flows from actual behavior - not what we'd expect to see, with no logical explanation why it's the way it is.

Stop uber players from playing in the shallow end of the pool? Always. If they're that good, they know where to go. They know they're where they are to find people they can run over. And they know who to run from. Let's stop kidding ourselves.

The most logical post you've made, and you didn't bash anyone. Well done.

The Empires should control their own space. Not some omnipotent oligarchy bestowed by some afflicted reclusive race.

So you want to separate people. On a single shard system created so that anyone can interact with anyone else anywhere and at anytime, you want to segregate players based on your like or dislike of their playstyle? To use your analogy, there is but one pool and one depth and we are all in it together - even that guy that likes to pee in the pool.

If people don't like being run over they will figure out how to get out of the way or become harder to run over.

Rationalizations fomented by the above mentioned carriers. Mischaracterizes and leaves most of the story out. There is no end to these, so stop trying to design a game to suit them. Temps generalize generalize generalize