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Since The Watchlist Changes...

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#1 - 2016-08-10 22:10:48 UTC
Have you noticed more fools running around scouting you out?

Without the easy intel and locator agents these scouts are forced to be in the same system as you with "eyes on target" in order to gather intel.

Have you noticed the same people creeping you? Those who dont "live" or do anything else in the systems you travel to? Those who show up shortly after you do? Those who "tail" you from system to system?


Its gotten way easier to spot the fakes and the wannabes and much harder to get actual intel on people without immediately alerting them to your shadowy presence, about as hard as a fat guy standing behind a twigRoll, and I find this absolutely amusing.


How have the watchlist changes affected you? Do you notice the same blues, neuts or reds showing up like clockwork after spotting you in a system? This was going on all behind the scenes with locator agents and the old watchlist, but now its out in the open for all to see and take notice of.Lol

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#2 - 2016-08-11 10:43:02 UTC
Marsha Mallow
#3 - 2016-08-11 13:05:53 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
How have the watchlist changes affected you?

Not logging in much to do in space stuff atm but I have noticed a change in behaviour with less random convos opening from people spotting me logging in and me doing less of the same. Might be because I completely deleted my contact list just before the change hit to add people manually with new settings >.> Something to add to the to-do list

From a nostalgia point of view going to miss watching people sequentially log in their supposedly supersecret alts with amusement.

Has it nuked the lowsec super slaughterhouse btw? Haven't really been paying attention but it seems like the daily reports of supers been whacked are down a bit. Although I vaguely remember hearing an allusion to new methods for super hunting emerging - not quite sure what they were talking about here.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2016-08-11 13:15:34 UTC
I have noticed mercs that hunted their targets starting to cancel their subs due to their vocation being rendered obsolete in favor of hub humpers and pipe campers.
Congrats on validating a stereotype by making it the only viable means of generating their own brand of content CCP.
The pooch, it be screwed.
House calls are now pretty much a thing of the past.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#5 - 2016-08-11 13:23:12 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I have noticed mercs that hunted their targets starting to cancel their subs due to their vocation being rendered obsolete in favor of hub humpers and pipe campers.
Congrats on validating a stereotype by making it the only viable means of generating their own brand of content CCP.
The pooch, it be screwed.
House calls are now pretty much a thing of the past.

Bah - warfare can now return to its noble roots: Park yourself on the enemy undock and troll them in local until they can't take it anymore...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#6 - 2016-08-11 13:53:06 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:

How have the watchlist changes affected you?.Lol


There is now less blinky crap in Doc's client.



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#7 - 2016-08-11 14:12:15 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:

That was my first thought as well. :)
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-08-11 14:20:30 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Have you noticed more fools running around scouting you out?
No. Nobody cares if I'm online or not.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2016-08-11 18:49:49 UTC
I now get more chat invite spam
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#10 - 2016-08-11 22:25:08 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I now get more chat invite spam


Drat, and I thought you were ignoring my chat requests because I boiled your pet rabbit. Now I'm reduced to just another spammer... man, what does it take to get noticed around here?! P
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-08-11 22:52:17 UTC
I haven't noticed anything...

Cause I don't log in.

Cause when I do it turns out I'm really just playing with myself.

#wormholes2016

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

Titan's Lament

Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#12 - 2016-08-11 23:50:48 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I have noticed mercs that hunted their targets starting to cancel their subs due to their vocation being rendered obsolete in favor of hub humpers and pipe campers.
Congrats on validating a stereotype by making it the only viable means of generating their own brand of content CCP.
The pooch, it be screwed.
House calls are now pretty much a thing of the past.


A few years ago when I did the merc life I actively hunted around for targets. Had some nice successes too.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2016-08-12 00:46:08 UTC
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I now get more chat invite spam


Drat, and I thought you were ignoring my chat requests because I boiled your pet rabbit. Now I'm reduced to just another spammer... man, what does it take to get noticed around here?! P

oooooh that rabbit was going to be boiled down anywayTwisted
i just dont like you cos you smellBlink
Sandy Point
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-08-12 00:52:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sandy Point
Cara Forelli wrote:
I haven't noticed anything...

Cause I don't log in.

Cause when I do it turns out I'm really just playing with myself.

#wormholes2016



Watch that, you'll go blind and grow hair on your hand.



Not noticed anyone following my alts and stuff but I've never been important enough for that to happen to me. Cool

But I do despise the change myself, not because I'm a bounty hunter or anything, just don't like the change. Apparently it's enough to make some quit and that hurts us all in the long run.

Not sure if there can be enough hell raised to bring it back unfortunately. Seems like Iceland continues to be deaf in the ear.

Unfortunate because in my experience running a business, if your customer isn't happy with your product, your customer usually can find a competitor's product they like as well or better and you might just not see that customer ever again. Ugh

Sad day - Good luck maybe someone will go to Iceland and clean the wax out of CCP's ear(s).

While I too contemplate a game venue change I find it disheartening. I've put 10 years in a game that now seems to be saying "Thanks for the 10 years of multiple account monthly fees, CYA!" I love this game but not sure myself how much longer I will continue playing it.

A sense of betrayal maybe? Yeah I know, game nor it's digital bits and pieces never belonged to me, I belonged to them but still having a strong sense of betrayal. For players since 03, I don't even want to know how some of them are feeling. Most are probably letting the account expire quietly.

Again - Good Luck to whatever game you head towards, keep your stuff and your toons. Maybe they'll get the idea and the pendulum will start swinging the other direction.
Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2016-08-12 02:26:50 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I now get more chat invite spam


Drat, and I thought you were ignoring my chat requests because I boiled your pet rabbit. Now I'm reduced to just another spammer... man, what does it take to get noticed around here?! P

oooooh that rabbit was going to be boiled down anywayTwisted
i just dont like you cos you smellBlink



Now I have this terrifying image in my head of Ralph carefully doing arts and crafts while looking through the lists of Kill it Forward requests...

"Just let me finish guilding this hand crafted frame... then we will commence the spaceboat violence"

Like Blofeld with his cat, Ralph carefully places the decoupage to one side before ordering someones death..

.

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.

Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#16 - 2016-08-12 16:38:59 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I now get more chat invite spam


Drat, and I thought you were ignoring my chat requests because I boiled your pet rabbit. Now I'm reduced to just another spammer... man, what does it take to get noticed around here?! P

oooooh that rabbit was going to be boiled down anywayTwisted
i just dont like you cos you smellBlink


Yeah, the smell of clean shampooed hair, body wash and a nice mild perfume is foreign and unwelcome to some... P

I've heard that trolls especially hate it... that's why we trollops have good hygene... it keeps the trolls away.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2016-08-12 16:48:14 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I now get more chat invite spam


Drat, and I thought you were ignoring my chat requests because I boiled your pet rabbit. Now I'm reduced to just another spammer... man, what does it take to get noticed around here?! P

oooooh that rabbit was going to be boiled down anywayTwisted
i just dont like you cos you smellBlink



Now I have this terrifying image in my head of Ralph carefully doing arts and crafts while looking through the lists of Kill it Forward requests...

"Just let me finish guilding this hand crafted frame... then we will commence the spaceboat violence"

Like Blofeld with his cat, Ralph carefully places the decoupage to one side before ordering someones death..

.

that is actually closer to the truth than you realize
Solecist Project
#18 - 2016-08-12 19:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Quote:
Not sure if there can be enough hell raised to bring it back unfortunately.


No one really cares.

Projecting importance into an irrelevant opinion (forum posting) doesn't show care, it shows anger.
And besides are most people incapable of writing objective posts. They're all dismissable.

Most people are concentrating on "fun" and how to easily obtain it.

Consider the watchlist changes. All that happened was worthless drivel on the forums.
Like any political entity, CCP CAN and does ignore opposition and only grooms it when convinient.

Now +, after the change, it is claimed that mercs have "adapted" by using mass wardecs ...
... which only shows the lack of care and the centricism on "my fun".

Now they wait (!) for CCP to maybe implement something that turns their not-yet-miserable-situation in a better situation and they will praise them for it, because then it'll be better than now. And they'll have forgotten who created the shituation in the first place.


Or look at gankers.
What happens when there's a nerf?
They gank out of protest. Happened repeatedly.
What does it achieve? Nothing.
It's 100% predictable and thus can be planned for accordingly or outright ignored.

The lack of actual opposition in EVE is outright disgusting to me (sorry) ...
... and perfectly mirrors how too many people have it too good ingame ...
... and that bread&circus is a well established crowd control mechanism.


Thanks for reading. I managed to connect my wiimote with my windows tablet and will now happily keep dieing 10.000 times in commander keen. Where you die. A ******* lot. And while the vast majority of players nowadays would throw it away for an easier game that suits their egos, will i instead keep trying to get better to beat that damn series. Again. And i don't need a forum to complain about it.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#19 - 2016-08-12 19:15:24 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Quote:
Not sure if there can be enough hell raised to bring it back unfortunately.


No one really cares.

Projecting importance into an irrelevant opinion (forum posting) doesn't show care, it shows anger.
And besides are most people incapable of writing objective posts. They're all dismissable.

Most people are concentrating on "fun" and how to easily obtain it.

Consider the watchlist changes. All that happened was worthless drivel on the forums.
Like any political entity, CCP CAN and does ignore opposition and only grooms it when convinient.

Now +, after the change, it is claimed that mercs have "adapted" by using mass wardecs ...
... which only shows the lack of care and the centricism on "my fun".

Now they wait (!) for CCP to maybe implement something that turns their not-yet-miserable-situation in a better situation and they will praise them for it, because then it'll be better than now. And they'll have forgotten who created the shituation in the first place.


Or look at gankers.
What happens when there's a nerf?
They gank out of protest. Happened repeatedly.
What does it achieve? Nothing.
It's 100% predictable and thus can be planned for accordingly or outright ignored.

The lack of actual opposition in EVE is outright disgusting to me (sorry) ...
... and perfectly mirrors how too many people have it too good ingame ...
... and that bread&circus is a well established crowd control mechanism.


Thanks for reading. I managed to connect my wiimote with my windows tablet and will now happily keep dieing 10.000 times in commander keen. Where you die. A ******* lot. And while the vast majority of players nowadays would throw it away for an easier game that suits their egos, will i instead keep trying to get better to beat that damn series. Again. And i don't need a forum to complain about it.

RP time:
LIES! The forums are LIFE! There is NO LIFE outside of the forums! All meaning comes *from* the forums! And everything on the forums has meaning!!!



But seriously...they are "Crowd Control Productions"...is it really surprising?

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#20 - 2016-08-12 20:12:31 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
No one really cares.

(snip... a lot of cynical stuff)


Your foundation point appears to be in juxtaposition with logical and historical understandings.

CCP has listened, commented on, and changed things in EVE due to forum/Reddit/media postings. Just a single instance would be enough to invalidate the supposition but with many instances of it... well, there it is. You, personally, may not care and that clearly shows, so when it comes to speaking for yourself, your comments are 100% accurate.

CCP has an investment in the feedback they get, no matter the form. Yes, you're right, they have the power to choose what to listen to and what to dismiss, that's a power all of us possess, so it's just stating the obvious. The points you make after that are what's most odd here.

Essentially your post is telling everyone to shut up because anything anyone says is dismissed. That makes it about the worst post I've ever read on these forums. The irony is, by that logic, your own post is just as easily dismissed.

If I'm wrong in that read of your post, I apologize ahead of time, I'm not trying to attack you or misinterpret you but that is a very disappointing post from someone that is clearly a long time veteran of these forums.
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