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CNR with cruise missiles - advice for lvl 4 mission

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Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-08-06 23:46:15 UTC
- Low Slot-
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

- Medium Slot-
Large Micro Jump Drive
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25
100MN Afterburner II

- High Slot-
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Ionic Field Projector II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Warrior II x5
Infiltrator II x5
Salvage Drone I x5

So the idea is cruise missiles + micro jump drive + XL shield booster + cap booster . I think it's a pretty solid build bc the strategy is Hit & Run. And with a cap booster to provide capacity, XL booster should make it a strong tank (sufficient to survive lvl4 mission I think).
Of course I can also use fraction and dreadspace equips. All I did here is based on the perspective of cost-effectiveness.

I am not a native English speaker. Will try to explain my idea as hard as I can. Please let me know If you have questions.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-08-07 00:47:44 UTC
You barely need to pulse the shield booster when you're 100km away so no need for a capacitor booster

Can put a guidance computer instead for better application to smaller targets

Also since you're sniping, take 3 sentries with you instead of light drones. They should be able to 2-3 shot any approaching frigates once they get within drone control range.
Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2016-08-07 01:23:02 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
You barely need to pulse the shield booster when you're 100km away so no need for a capacitor booster

Can put a guidance computer instead for better application to smaller targets

Also since you're sniping, take 3 sentries with you instead of light drones. They should be able to 2-3 shot any approaching frigates once they get within drone control range.


Good point. If I want to use light drones to engage frigates, I need to stand close to the target, which will make the entire build a joke.

Thanks ;)
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#4 - 2016-08-07 01:52:31 UTC
Run the 8th launcher, and drop a mobile tractor unit instead.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2016-08-07 13:15:55 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
and drop a mobile tractor unit instead.




Please do


In fact, I'd urge you to drop two in every mission room that you go to

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Ivan Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#6 - 2016-08-08 22:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivan Kirst
I made an error please disregard.
Ivan Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#7 - 2016-08-08 23:22:24 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Run the 8th launcher, and drop a mobile tractor unit instead.



There isn't room for an 8th launcher, not enough power.

Maybe drop one of the props and go with a MGC or TP., then there's room, and these mods will help with damage application.

-Ivan
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2016-08-09 00:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
I might consider something like this:

[Raven Navy Issue, Mission CNR]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Large Shield Booster II
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Dread Guristas Thermal Dissipation Field
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Warrior II x5
Bouncer II x3

Note: I have done exactly one mission since returning, and it was in a mach.

-Liang

Ed: An easy (cheap) way to free up CPU is to upgrade to faction hardeners. Also, a Pith X-Type Large is fairly cheap as well (as compared to the hull anyway)

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Roci Nantes
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-08-09 00:24:01 UTC
MTUs are easy to scan down. Mission jackers and gamkers use them to find you, easier. Having an alt do your salvage a room or so behind you, is how I prefer to do mine.
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#10 - 2016-08-09 15:37:13 UTC
Liang,

I know we've never met or even talked, but I've suggested your old Raven fit many many times in these forums.

I even used it for a long time. To me it was a very solid fit.

It seemed like you just disappeared.

It's good to see you.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2016-08-11 17:22:18 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I might consider something like this:

[Raven Navy Issue, Mission CNR]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Large Shield Booster II
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Dread Guristas Thermal Dissipation Field
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Warrior II x5
Bouncer II x3

Note: I have done exactly one mission since returning, and it was in a mach.

-Liang

Ed: An easy (cheap) way to free up CPU is to upgrade to faction hardeners. Also, a Pith X-Type Large is fairly cheap as well (as compared to the hull anyway)



So here is my new fit:

[Raven Navy Issue, mission runner]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Large Micro Jump Drive
EM Ward Field II
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
100MN Afterburner II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Curator II x3
Acolyte II x5

I think If I could replace most T2 modules with their fraction variations, then I don't need the co-processor and can fit a missile guidance enhancer instead.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#12 - 2016-08-13 09:15:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
A pair of Faction BCS is probably worth the ~190m ISK upgrade at some point for the additional +5% DPS increase. That will probably also eliminate (or at least partially diminish) the need for the co-processor, which can be used for a variety of modules - including (but not limited to): Damage Control, Signal Amplifier, Nanofiber, etc.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Gorr Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#13 - 2016-08-14 09:16:28 UTC
[Raven Navy Issue, Unnamed loadout]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
F-89 Compact Signal Amplifier

Large Micro Jump Drive
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I


Hobgoblin II x10
Hammerhead II x5
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#14 - 2016-08-14 14:35:07 UTC
I have been playing around with a fit similar to Gorr's, in a Raven, using the ancillary shield booster.

I've run a few missions with it and it does seem to work very well. With have only 3 800 charges, and then having to wait 60 secs for a reload can be tough in some missions. Especially if after a reload you have to used the 3 charges immediately. once again.

In the lows I had a DC, and 4 faction BCUs. Only used 1 MGC, and no sensor booster. And I used a flare in the rigs.

The dps of both could be about the same, but the CNR has a much larger volley, which really helps.

In some previous fits, I've use an X-L shield booster, a shield boost amp, and a cap booster. Going with just the Ancillary Shield Booster really opens things up, but 60 secs can seem like a long time. ( the MJD for me is to escape if things go wrong.)


-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Gorr Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#15 - 2016-08-14 14:51:02 UTC
The idea behind the MJD is to bugger off to distance after a warp-in and start nuking stuff from afar, while moving.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#16 - 2016-08-14 15:55:37 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
I have been playing around with a fit similar to Gorr's, in a Raven, using the ancillary shield booster.

I've run a few missions with it and it does seem to work very well. With have only 3 800 charges, and then having to wait 60 secs for a reload can be tough in some missions. Especially if after a reload you have to used the 3 charges immediately.




You want to use the SMALLEST charges possible in the ancillary booster. Smaller charges give you more cycles. So 400's in your case.
It doesn't work like regular boosters.

It's a common mistake.
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#17 - 2016-08-14 16:45:13 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Ion Kirst wrote:
I have been playing around with a fit similar to Gorr's, in a Raven, using the ancillary shield booster.

I've run a few missions with it and it does seem to work very well. With have only 3 800 charges, and then having to wait 60 secs for a reload can be tough in some missions. Especially if after a reload you have to used the 3 charges immediately.




You want to use the SMALLEST charges possible in the ancillary booster. Smaller charges give you more cycles. So 400's in your case.
It doesn't work like regular boosters.

It's a common mistake.


I will try that, thanks.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2016-08-14 22:04:11 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I might consider something like this:

[Raven Navy Issue, Mission CNR]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Large Shield Booster II
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Dread Guristas EM Ward Field
Dread Guristas Thermal Dissipation Field
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missileh
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Warrior II x5
Bouncer II x3

Note: I have done exactly one mission since returning, and it was in a mach.

-Liang

Ed: An easy (cheap) way to free up CPU is to upgrade to faction hardeners. Also, a Pith X-Type Large is fairly cheap as well (as compared to the hull anyway)



Those rigs have stacking penalties now. A TP works better

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#19 - 2016-08-15 20:15:39 UTC
Gorr Shakor wrote:
The idea behind the MJD is to bugger off to distance after a warp-in and start nuking stuff from afar, while moving.



That can work for some people if they need to do that.

The problem is that you have to wait 3 minutes before you can use it again. If something goes wrong in the mission in that time, you could be in trouble. Which would be my use for it in the beginning.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2016-08-16 18:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyclone Organic
One more question, I was wondering If HACs (such as Cerberus or Sacrilege) are good options for lvl 4 missions.

Though many people talking about the versatility of Tengu and HAC for PVE, I got confused by the EFT statistics of my Cerberus fitting.

Here is it:
[Cerberus, HAM]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Target Painter II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

So the fraction ammo are specific for killing frigs and elite frig bc the explosion radius of T2 ammo is much bigger than the fraction ones. And probably I am going to use Sacrilege for missions against Sasha and Blood raider (for better tank and more low slots for BC).

But the problem is, due to the EFT statistics, this Cerberus can only do a non-kinetic DPS of 503 with fractional ammo and 590 with T2 ammo, with is not even comparable to the DPS of Raven or CNR with cruise missile (750 DPS for all damage types).

Then why so many people are fond of HACs and Tengu? Are they really superior to BCs given this much lower DPS, especially when CNR could also do applicable damage to cruise class efficiently?
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