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Why game mechanics tolerate gameys

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#21 - 2016-08-05 23:32:07 UTC
CHODE-like alt poasting detected.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#22 - 2016-08-05 23:34:36 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
To take it a step further, you should actually leave one rat (it will be easy to tank) so that the mission completion is not triggered, this will allow the site to regenerate after downtime and be used everyday for the 7 days before the mission expires as long as you don't trigger the completion. Get a few of these going and you will have more ore than you can possibly mine.
Can confirm that you'll have more ore than you know what to do with, some of which won't naturally occur in the faction space that you're in.

Taking this even further, if it's a gated deadspace with multiple gates you can use D-Scan (set to an appropriate distance for the first gate) to see anybody that tries to enter the area; because they have to use the gates to get to you.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Jagd Wilde
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2016-08-05 23:56:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jagd Wilde
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Yesterday agressive players destroyed my minning barge in hisec. I bought it for ~40 millions with equipment, now I lost everything.

It was done by group of players, who do




lol another one of these

Ivan, did you seriously not do ANY research into EVE before starting that account?

Every alt I own has a red safety, this has brought my friends much laughter.

Valkin Mordirc
#24 - 2016-08-06 00:08:21 UTC
Use a Skiff or Proc if you are mining solo and are in a populated system, Check Killboards to see if people come by and gank in the system you want to mine in.

Use a Mack/Retriever if you going to be in a dead system alone, somewhere where you can see a gank coming before it happens. Keep an eye on local to watch for baddies. Keep align to a station in order to warp away quicker.


Us a Covertor/Hulk for group mining ops. Usually it be used with on Orca.


Like sol said, Mining ships have roles that they are meant to fulfill. If you are using a ship for a roles it's not intended for you will pay for it someway or anthor.
#DeleteTheWeak
Solecist Project
#25 - 2016-08-06 00:10:19 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Yes. But sad that I can't pay for that, as they use twink characters. ( So, you can do bad things on 1 character, while main one is unaffected by bounties and low security status.

i just now noticed i somehow doubleposted and missed this reply.


every account has room for three characters and a many pplayers dont hide behind alts.

your assumption is invalid and stems from the wrong perspective that they are somehow bad.
or that you are somehow good, which you arent just as much.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#26 - 2016-08-06 00:22:59 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Bad, I am tired of boring PvP in other games, I was intersted in mining, trading e.t.c..

Eve is a PvP game at the core. I'm genuinely interested in how you got the impression that Eve was the game for someone who is tired of PvP.

(Unless of course you mean you were 'tired of boring PvP' quite literally; in which case welcome to Eve)

Like others have said, use a procurer if you are dead set on mining in high sec. Or alternatively find a dead end system that has barely any traffic. There is a lot more to the game than high sec mining though.
Serene Repose
#27 - 2016-08-06 00:55:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Heh heh heh. Apparently management thinks teens playing on PLEX ganking people with credit cards is
good business sense.

PS Brace yourself for the EVE Is Avalanche. It makes a diarrheic bull jealous.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2016-08-06 01:08:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
They use ..., twink characters...

Shocked They what?


IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
I mine = I am inactive afker who don't play and odd in the game.
Very nice. Well, ok.

mining =/= inactive player, however a lot of inactive players, mine while inactive.

If you are active and playing the game, then you stand a good chance of never being ganked again. It just takes some learning to figure out how to see when you are at risk and be able to react.

If you like to mine in particular systems:


  • check z-killboard for those systems and see who the regular gankers are. Set those characters to bad standings, so they will be highlighted in local when they enter (if there are too many, then move to a quieter set of systems).
  • Keep local chat open at all times so you will know who is in system
  • if the system is quiet, get into a habit of checking the zkillboard, corp, corp history and bio of all players that enter. This can help you identify scouts and warp in characters
  • set the major ganking corps and alliances to bad standings also. That will help give you broader information quickly
  • don't sit still while mining. That will make it a bit harder for a cloaked scout to get a good warpin point for short range blasters
  • Be prepared to warp to safety the moment a high risk character enters system

There are a lot of other things you can do too, but just doing the points above will significantly reduce your risk of being ganked.

So if you are active and attentive, you can mine in a coveter even and still be ok (though that is also a nice gank target. choosing a different ship can make you less of a target).

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Jagd Wilde
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2016-08-06 01:15:39 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
They use ..., twink characters...

Shocked They what?


i think it has something to do with young effeminate men

Every alt I own has a red safety, this has brought my friends much laughter.

shootyou longtyme
Systems High Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#30 - 2016-08-06 01:35:39 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Yesterday agressive players destroyed my minning barge in hisec.



Stop mining.
Leave HighSec.
Join a player run corp.

in that order, and fast.

Warrior AgainstEvil
Doomheim
#31 - 2016-08-06 02:09:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Warrior AgainstEvil
I understand your hatred Ivan. I am working on putting together an elite group of pvper's to protect the innocent from this evilness that you have experienced from the fools that attack you. Soon I will get vengeance for all miners and builders and we will lash out and show them the forces of good in this game. We are also twink characters who do not like this practice you have experienced and shoot down these terrorists wherever they go.

What system are you located in and I will offer you protection for free. If you chose not to let me know this I accept this and just wish you to know we are out there. there is goodness in this game.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2016-08-06 02:25:35 UTC
Warrior AgainstEvil wrote:
I understand your hatred Ivan. I am working on putting together an elite group of pvper's...

An AG admitting that highsec has elite pvpers?

I think you might struggle to find them in the AG community though. Best of luck.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#33 - 2016-08-06 02:57:55 UTC
1 - Learn from it.

2 - Stop caring what anybody thinks and do what you want.

3 - Search these forums and read just a few of the literally hundreds of posts on this same subject.


Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#34 - 2016-08-06 03:37:37 UTC
I'm guessing you are new to this world or to games in general, in early 2000 you could die and lose insanely expensive items/ several days worth of exp in most mmo's.
Don't fly what you can't afford to loose, just like in real life.


Fun fact, human life is worth 2.5m dollars, including negative feedback and profit loss for the airlines. That plane is in the air because lives of everyone on board and the plane itself are expandable. Fly safe xP
May Arethusa
Junction Systems
#35 - 2016-08-06 03:52:12 UTC
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Do dev allow such things intentionally? Shouldn't they be punished? What sence is in high security systems if any troll can kill you and have no bad consequences with exept to losing 1 million ship and bad security status for twink character?


Yes, it's allowed. If nobody lost a ship there would be little sense in you mining to begin with.

They were punished, their punishment is completely arbitrary and has no bearing upon the crime they commit. That's how high-sec works. In other areas of space, you're free to pursue your own brand of justice and/or revenge, but in high-sec you allow CONCORD to fulfill that role for you. They're not particularly good at it either.

It's been stated a million times already, but you're in high-sec, not perfect-sec. You aren't safe, you're just safer, whatever that means. Set standings, pay more attention next time, and fit some tank. That's how you get them to leave you alone, running to the forums only encourages them.
Gerhard Ertl
Search Light
Outlaw Coalition
#36 - 2016-08-06 03:56:41 UTC
ISK sent for your ship replacement. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#37 - 2016-08-06 04:02:22 UTC
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#38 - 2016-08-06 04:29:28 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Yesterday agressive players destroyed my minning barge in hisec. I bought it for ~40 millions with equipment, now I lost everything.

It was done by group of players, who do it intentionally for long time. They use cheap ships for 1 million, twink characters and take no punishment that is supposed by game mechanics. They killed my ship, capsule. Concord destroyed 1 ship. Then they killed other miners for no reason.

I asked why, they trolled me, replied some pathetic nonsense, that I am so bad and useless because I mine asteroids.

Do dev allow such things intentionally? Shouldn't they be punished? What sence is in high security systems if any troll can kill you and have no bad consequences with exept to losing 1 million ship and bad security status for twink character?

If i mine, trade or play PvE then I spoil game and can be offended by other players? Bad, I am tired of boring PvP in other games, I was intersted in mining, trading e.t.c.. Should I leave EVE not to spoil game to great teen PvP players?
The highlighted portion of your post tells me you likely come from WOW. its the only game ive ever heard in which that word is used in the way you mean it anyway.

Redundant topic is redundant. Try learning to use the search function. Its like google... you know google right?

Pro Tip time:

1) Eve is like NOTHING you ever played that has some sort of pvp.
2) Do not fly something you can not afford to lose. A ship is a tool, think of it as ammo you ride. It will eventually be lost forever. Dont get attached to it.
3) No the devs will not hold your hands, protect you, or coddle you. This is Eve, not daycare.
4) High security =/= Impenetrable bubble of protection. You can be killed anywhere in space in eve.
5) Concord is reactive not proactive. They punished the offenders. The punishment was loss of ship and a criminal flag as well as a sec status hit.
6) PVP is 99% avoidable in eve IF you learn game mechanics. If you dont learn game mechanics...well those that no them will always be able to trick you into situations in which you die, the same way i can trick my dog over and over using the same method. Learn from what got you killed and how to avoid that situation again.


Welcome to eve, enjoy your stay however brief. I suggest , if you intend to stay, that you do some research into the game and learn some basic game mechanics. Or better yet join a corp and learn the game.

Another Posting Alt
Zerious Fricken Biziness
#39 - 2016-08-06 06:04:21 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
any agressive school boy on cheap ship can humiliate you


No, you did that to yourself.
ISD Buldath
#40 - 2016-08-06 06:17:05 UTC
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5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.


If your not even going to try and make it a worth while read, don't even bother.

By the off chance that this is legitimate, No space in EVE is 100% safe. Only safer. Take this knowledge to heart in your future endeavors.

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