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[ARC] Press Release: Zero Casualty Hive Op
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Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2016-08-04 00:52:29 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Che Biko wrote:
Entered thread with cautious optimism.
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
[..] engaged and destroyed the Hikanta,[..]
Left thread with slight disappointment.

Peace,

-Ché


While pacifistic notions are all well and good, at this point it's fair to say few feel any such obligation toward the Tyrannos, who have not so much as issued demands, and who have visited fire and death on the Empire, and anyone who ventures near abandoned Jove structures even in sovereign space.


Elmund Egivand wrote:
I say this is cause for celebration. Bring out the sausages and beer for zero casualties!

How did you guys manage to avoid getting doomsdayed anyway?


The doomsday fires. We just happen to ensure it misses. Our current understanding is that it tracks comparably or slightly worse than a Drifter's regular armament. The question was how we'd ensure a fleet can withstand regular weapons fire so that we could control the flow of the engagement, especially in a worst-case scenario with multiple (three or more) Drifters on field.

I'm surprised that the minnies and the fedos are aggressive towards the tyranos considering they have only really targeted amarr and not them
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#22 - 2016-08-04 00:56:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
The list of things that I would not do for an Etana is very, very short. I've been drooling over that ship for years.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#23 - 2016-08-04 01:06:05 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
The list of things that I would not do for an Etana is very, very short. I've been drooling over that ship for years.


As have I, but even on my pay, I don't have the 800bn laying around liquid to get you ten of them out of pocket, hon.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#24 - 2016-08-04 01:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Wait? You get paid? I never got paid. Mittani just patted me on the back and told me I was doing good work for the Swarm.

Can I just get one then?

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#25 - 2016-08-04 01:19:44 UTC
I never said I get paid by Mittens.

I get paid for my active work as part of the FC/VIP program.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#26 - 2016-08-04 02:38:40 UTC
Slayer Liberator wrote:
I'm surprised that the minnies and the fedos are aggressive towards the tyranos considering they have only really targeted amarr and not them

Two things. First, if you think that it's odd that anyone but the Amarr would be interested in aggressive action against the Drifters just because they've only had an extended campaign against the Amarr, you are a fool or worse.

Second, the Drifters have already had skirmishes with RSS on at least one occasion as reported by the Scope. It's entirely likely they've had the same with the Federation and State, and that we have just not heard about it already.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#27 - 2016-08-04 03:36:57 UTC
I've heard of the Feds fighting them on a few occasions, also one of the first places they started was in Eram, Metropolis region, 6 (or 7, I forget exactly) from Patar.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2016-08-04 04:10:08 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Slayer Liberator wrote:
I'm surprised that the minnies and the fedos are aggressive towards the tyranos considering they have only really targeted amarr and not them

Two things. First, if you think that it's odd that anyone but the Amarr would be interested in aggressive action against the Drifters just because they've only had an extended campaign against the Amarr, you are a fool or worse.

Second, the Drifters have already had skirmishes with RSS on at least one occasion as reported by the Scope. It's entirely likely they've had the same with the Federation and State, and that we have just not heard about it already.

Ok that makes alot more since then
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2016-08-04 06:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
First of all, my congratulations to ARK on developing a completely successful doctrine and pressure testing it. My personal congratulations to Alizabeth, who I know took developing this doctrine up as a personal crusade. Your insticts are vindicated.

I advise that any capsuleer who flies in harms way for a living get some experience of this doctrine. It requires a certain fit and it's not very tolerant of mistakes, but it seems very doable in my opinion. I will be tagging along with ARC fleets in the future - the work is profitable and given the possibility of the Drifters posing a material threat to Caldari interests and Capsuleer interests in the future, learning to fight them strikes me as merely due dilligence.

I can confirm that there was no attempt at contact from the Drifter fleets that I was present and engaged. They aren't interested in talking, people, let's try communication the Civire way!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#30 - 2016-08-04 08:22:23 UTC
I don't know why people still seem to think they can be communicated with. That would imply a bidirectional exchange of words, thoughts and ideas. They can't talk. They don't even have vocal cords to do so with.

At this point they're going to have to be the ones to make any sort of "diplomatic" overture towards us. Anyone with an ounce of sense or self-preservation isn't going to waste time trying it in the other direction: their only method of "communication" has been weapons fire from the very first day they appeared in New Eden. This notion that diplomacy is an option is, at best, hopelessly misguided and unrealistic to the point anyone suggesting it ought to be slapped in the back of the head with a brick.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#31 - 2016-08-04 10:02:58 UTC
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#32 - 2016-08-04 11:18:33 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
I don't know why people still seem to think they can be communicated with. That would imply a bidirectional exchange of words, thoughts and ideas. They can't talk. They don't even have vocal cords to do so with.

At this point they're going to have to be the ones to make any sort of "diplomatic" overture towards us. Anyone with an ounce of sense or self-preservation isn't going to waste time trying it in the other direction: their only method of "communication" has been weapons fire from the very first day they appeared in New Eden. This notion that diplomacy is an option is, at best, hopelessly misguided and unrealistic to the point anyone suggesting it ought to be slapped in the back of the head with a brick.


This again? It is pretty clear that capsuleers and/or empires fired the first shots. The Circadian Seekers clearly have a connection to them, and capsuleers did what they always do - shoot first, ask questions later. So now that they retaliate, its not our fault in the least bit? **** off, honestly.

Diplomacy is ALWAYS an option, and thinking otherwise is what has gotten us in to the current state of things in the first place.

Now granted trying to communicate with them has not succeeded, but that does not mean we should stop trying.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2016-08-04 12:02:16 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
I don't know why people still seem to think they can be communicated with. That would imply a bidirectional exchange of words, thoughts and ideas. They can't talk. They don't even have vocal cords to do so with.

At this point they're going to have to be the ones to make any sort of "diplomatic" overture towards us. Anyone with an ounce of sense or self-preservation isn't going to waste time trying it in the other direction: their only method of "communication" has been weapons fire from the very first day they appeared in New Eden. This notion that diplomacy is an option is, at best, hopelessly misguided and unrealistic to the point anyone suggesting it ought to be slapped in the back of the head with a brick.


This again? It is pretty clear that capsuleers and/or empires fired the first shots. The Circadian Seekers clearly have a connection to them, and capsuleers did what they always do - shoot first, ask questions later. So now that they retaliate, its not our fault in the least bit? **** off, honestly.

Diplomacy is ALWAYS an option, and thinking otherwise is what has gotten us in to the current state of things in the first place.

Now granted trying to communicate with them has not succeeded, but that does not mean we should stop trying.


You are welcome to warp in sometimes with us, go ahead, and try to converse with them. We'd be waiting in the rearguard to remain out of the inevitable explosion blast radius.
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#34 - 2016-08-04 13:34:35 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
Now granted trying to communicate with them has not succeeded, but that does not mean we should stop trying.

We? Who is that? Humanity? Ridiculous...

Teinyhr wrote:
Diplomacy is ALWAYS an option, and thinking otherwise is what has gotten us in to the current state of things in the first place

Writing something like this is always naïve and stupid.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#35 - 2016-08-04 14:43:25 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
[..] the Tyrannos [..] who have visited fire and death on the Empire, and anyone who ventures near abandoned Jove structures even in sovereign space.
Yes, well, there was a time when this was not true, but we didn't exactly welcome them with volleys of fireworks, did we? You can only punch someone so many times before they punch back. I would assume the same is true for even myself.
Just out of curiosity, do you do anything about the Drifter menace in sovereign space? Have you tried to secure the Jove observatories? Or are you more concerned with "the proceeds" in non-sovereign space?
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I can confirm that there was no attempt at contact from the Drifter fleets that I was present and engaged.
And was there an attempt at contact from our side?
Nevermind, I think I know the answer...
Morwen Lagann wrote:
[..] they're going to have to be the ones to make any sort of "diplomatic" overture towards us. Anyone with an ounce of sense or self-preservation isn't going to waste time trying it in the other direction [..]
Teinyhr wrote:
Now granted trying to communicate with them has not succeeded, but that does not mean we should stop trying.
While I agree that we should not stop trying to communicate non-violently, I'm afraid that in a way, we've been very successful in communicating...
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
[..] the Civire way!
A fellow philosopher once said that no matter how many times you drop a stone and it falls to the floor, you never know what'll happen the next time you drop it. It might fall to the floor, but then again it might float to the ceiling. Past experience never proves the future.

Peace,

-Ché

P.S. Miss Kernher, if a wish to be able to contain threats without bloodshed on any side is idiotic, then I don't want to be an egghead.

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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#36 - 2016-08-04 15:22:42 UTC
You two are more than welcome to go flying into a Hive blabbering on about how you want to be friends with a bunch of reanimated corpses.

Just make sure to insure your ship and have the AD&D insurance payments ready for your crew, because you are not going to survive the encounter.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#37 - 2016-08-04 15:30:35 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
I don't know why people still seem to think they can be communicated with. That would imply a bidirectional exchange of words, thoughts and ideas. They can't talk. They don't even have vocal cords to do so with.

At this point they're going to have to be the ones to make any sort of "diplomatic" overture towards us. Anyone with an ounce of sense or self-preservation isn't going to waste time trying it in the other direction: their only method of "communication" has been weapons fire from the very first day they appeared in New Eden. This notion that diplomacy is an option is, at best, hopelessly misguided and unrealistic to the point anyone suggesting it ought to be slapped in the back of the head with a brick.


This again? It is pretty clear that capsuleers and/or empires fired the first shots. The Circadian Seekers clearly have a connection to them, and capsuleers did what they always do - shoot first, ask questions later. So now that they retaliate, its not our fault in the least bit? **** off, honestly.

Diplomacy is ALWAYS an option, and thinking otherwise is what has gotten us in to the current state of things in the first place.

Now granted trying to communicate with them has not succeeded, but that does not mean we should stop trying.


They assassinated Empress Jamyl I. If they were simply retaliating for actions taken against the Seekers, they would have sought out those that actually did something to them. What they did was to declare war on the Holy Amarr Empire in the most heinous way possible.

It will not be forgiven - ever.

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#38 - 2016-08-04 16:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Morwen Lagann wrote:
You two are more than welcome to go flying into a Hive blabbering on about how you want to be friends with a bunch of reanimated corpses.

Just make sure to insure your ship and have the AD&D insurance payments ready for your crew, because you are not going to survive the encounter.

I second this. Be ready on Saturday, and I will make sure you get to present your peace request to the Hikanta clone directly. We'll wait outside the Hive 'room' proper while you go in alone.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2016-08-04 16:02:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Something that we seem to tend to forget:

The Drifters can communicate with us. They've done it before. They got us to deliver Jove DNA samples to them, masquerading as a certain missing scientist.

There's been no contact, since. Just death.

There aren't a lot of good reasons to approach things that way, and none I can think of that bode well for us. Either they're intentionally keeping us off-balance and confused to compromise the effectiveness of our response (bad), or ...

... or they have nothing to say to the dead.

(Worse, if that needs saying.)

I'm sorry, Che', but I don't see a good alternative. Maybe the Drifters have good reasons for what they've done, but they've chosen not to explain those reasons. I've seen the Hives, and the Nexuses, and the power gathered there is horrifying in scale. And we don't even know what it's for.

Anyone who doubts, please, sign on for a Hive operation and see for yourself. There is some kind of project underway. Whatever they're planning is unlikely to be good for us.

Even if it were not among my duties as Directrix Daphiti's retainer, I think this is something I would want to be involved in. It needs to be done.

Congratulations, Ali.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#40 - 2016-08-04 18:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
EDit: Drifters ate my post and I don't have the time to redo it right now. Later.