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EVE too "JOBBY"?

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#61 - 2016-08-04 01:10:34 UTC
The jobbiness of EVE is its main draw. Jobby people trying to learn the fine points of the game mechanics and getting an edge over even worse jobby people. But when the developers change the baseline rules every month, and negate the fine-tweaked jobbiness... what's left? Endless relearning how to be the best jobber?
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#62 - 2016-08-04 18:58:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Toobo wrote:
consider things as 'project'/'operation', and think long term.


I did. And succeeded. And subsequently, got succeeded by an ace new CEO. Fact is, doesn't matter what you like to do, it's going to be a repetative chore three years down the line. I too loved it's complexity and social aspects, and still praise the game for that as the best MMO in existance. Yet, fact remains that if you repeat something long enough, it's gonna end up a boring chore. You might try a different flavour, but when you are full of chololate ice cream and starting to get sick, vanilla ice cream is hardly an appealing option.

I'm unsure whether I will let my account lapse this year. I've taken breaks before... but they are getting longer and longer.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#63 - 2016-08-04 20:23:46 UTC
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Fact is, doesn't matter what you like to do, it's going to be a repetative chore three years down the line.



Yes, I too have grown bored of books and sex

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#64 - 2016-08-05 06:01:09 UTC
I don't know about you but I don't re-read the same books over and over again. As for sex... well... that needs some variation too to stay interesting. Vanilla missionary sex is just as boring as Eve Online. Doesn't mean it doesn't tickle my pleasure centers, but I don't go the extra mile for it. I have to admit ploughing a woman is more interesting then grinding out my system's anoms.
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#65 - 2016-08-05 13:22:57 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
I don't know about you but I don't re-read the same books over and over again. As for sex... well... that needs some variation too to stay interesting. Vanilla missionary sex is just as boring as Eve Online. Doesn't mean it doesn't tickle my pleasure centers, but I don't go the extra mile for it. I have to admit ploughing a woman is more interesting then grinding out my system's anoms.


I can't stand to eat the same thing twice in a row. As a resident of the first world... I don't have to.
But I do have my favorite foods. I can always return to those.

Books and movies are the same way. I have to wait for some time to "forget" the story, but I've read certain books until I've needed to replace them. And no matter what I'm doing, if I see 5th Element, I'm going to stop what I'm doing and watch.

And I'll avoid lhreadlock on that last subject by acting a bit prude. Roll

--Gadget - not a Quaker

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#66 - 2016-08-05 14:35:32 UTC
OP has biomassed...you can stop keeping his troll thread alive now Roll

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#67 - 2016-08-05 14:40:02 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
OP has biomassed...you can stop keeping his troll thread alive now Roll


Wondered what triggered that?
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Too soon?

--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#68 - 2016-08-05 14:41:24 UTC
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
OP has biomassed...you can stop keeping his troll thread alive now Roll


Wondered what triggered that?
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Too soon?

--Gadget

I wouldn't want to speak ill of the dead...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#69 - 2016-08-05 16:18:12 UTC
told you id get em
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#70 - 2016-08-05 20:35:30 UTC
"Work is a cornerstone of happiness." Freud
Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
#71 - 2016-08-05 20:37:46 UTC
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:

I can't stand to eat the same thing twice in a row. As a resident of the first world... I don't have to.
But I do have my favorite foods. I can always return to those.

Books and movies are the same way. I have to wait for some time to "forget" the story, but I've read certain books until I've needed to replace them. And no matter what I'm doing, if I see 5th Element, I'm going to stop what I'm doing and watch.

And I'll avoid lhreadlock on that last subject by acting a bit prude. Roll

--Gadget - not a Quaker

multipass?
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#72 - 2016-08-06 02:24:21 UTC
Can I haz yor stuff?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#73 - 2016-08-06 02:30:44 UTC
Blade Darth wrote:
Can I haz yor stuff?

taken, 80mill + a shitfit ishtar im keeping as a trophy
Solecist Project
#74 - 2016-08-06 09:30:23 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Blade Darth wrote:
Can I haz yor stuff?

taken, 80mill + a shitfit ishtar im keeping as a trophy

You're the best. :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

TackyTachy1
Doomheim
#75 - 2016-08-06 19:28:04 UTC
My Eve thing works like this: Mine, grind, build cool stuff, dive into the badlands, do cool things until cool stuff gets blown up, mine grind...

If it feels like I must log into do do this or that, and I'm less than enamored by the prospect then I simply do not log in, the world will not end if I do not do this Eve thing.

One advantage to cracking the elderly barrier is that repetition, reading the same books, watching the same movies, is not that much of a problem when you forget the thing about as fast as you watch/read.

The constant change of Eve's mechanics is just another thing, like big rats and rude players, just something else to deal with.

I like it here, sort of.

And this post is number somewhere close to seventy, if it's read at all will be the surprise.

Forum Rep for a bunch of characters, couple corps and one seriously Lost In Space multiboxer.

Sherriff Larson
Doomheim
#76 - 2016-08-06 20:01:51 UTC
EVE isnt a game.
It's a simulation.
Craetol Dunai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2016-08-23 15:05:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Craetol Dunai
I'm not a hardcore player, so this may not come off as right...

I only pay a quick sub once a year or so when I think of how much fun this game could be, then quickly lose interest.

For me...

It's not the open nature of the game. I like world building games where I make my own fun.
It's not the time sink. I can lose days in an interesting game.
It's not the time delay of the rewards. I can be patient if I'm really looking forward to the goal.

The problem is the goal itself. The goal is PvP. I'm not a huge fan of PvP.

As for the other careers? The myriad of options for playstyles? Once you get past the "doing this action is new and feels fun"...it's just to fuel the PvP. If not yours, then that of others. Even the other non-combat jobs are there for the same goal.

Gaining ISK? It's a pointless number by itself.
Gathering and Industry? That's just gathering materials used for PvP to get ISK to fuel your PvP or get equipment that lets you be more efficient at gathering materials used for PvP to get ISk to fuel....

(I skipped Exploration. For that once, I feel that it falls under the "doing this action is new and feels fun". Once you're used to it, it's samey.)

This wouldn't bother me, I think, if there was more of a goal, but the PvP is just fighting for no point. I could get completely engrossed in an Alliance between a gathering, indy and combat corp to make and defend a null sec trade hub to rival that of Jita. The combat has a goal. The gathering and industrial fuels that goal.

But...roam around with a few people to see if we can make a few explosions in a couple hours, maybe, if we're lucky and people aren't paying attention?

I dunno. Might just be me.

TL;DR - Stop being lazy. Reading is good for you.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#78 - 2016-08-23 15:16:26 UTC
Craetol Dunai wrote:
-long-winded complaint about lack of an end goal-

I feel as though you are not aware that the entire point of a "sandbox" game is that there *is no goal* - you have to make your own goals, and measure your success on your own scale... The game won't do it for you. And that is by *design*...

Deal with it or go find a linear story game that gives you set goals to achieve in a set order...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Craetol Dunai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2016-08-23 15:24:09 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Craetol Dunai wrote:
-long-winded complaint about lack of an end goal-

I feel as though you are not aware that the entire point of a "sandbox" game is that there *is no goal* - you have to make your own goals, and measure your success on your own scale... The game won't do it for you. And that is by *design*...

Deal with it or go find a linear story game that gives you set goals to achieve in a set order...


Um...actually, that was the point. The group goals that are set generally are "get in random PvP or fuel random PvP". Solo goals don't get past the "just messing around" level either, since large scale game effects can't be powered by solo players.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#80 - 2016-08-23 15:27:26 UTC
Craetol Dunai wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Craetol Dunai wrote:
-long-winded complaint about lack of an end goal-

I feel as though you are not aware that the entire point of a "sandbox" game is that there *is no goal* - you have to make your own goals, and measure your success on your own scale... The game won't do it for you. And that is by *design*...

Deal with it or go find a linear story game that gives you set goals to achieve in a set order...


Um...actually, that was the point. The group goals that are set generally are "get in random PvP or fuel random PvP". Solo goals don't get past the "just messing around" level either, since large scale game effects can't be powered by solo players.

Chribba is a solo player...

I'd say he has set and achieved some pretty lofty goals for himself...

And to my knowledge he has never fired a weapon at another player...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)