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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#281 - 2016-07-30 19:27:05 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


I am after game balance dimwit, if that wreck EHP had been talked about with AG players we would have told CCP it would kill it stone dead for reasons I have explained here and on other threads.


And those reasons are that AG are not willing to put serious effort into or ISK at risk in pursuing their objectives whereas those who gank do.

Yup, very convincing. Roll

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#282 - 2016-07-30 19:58:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


I am after game balance dimwit....


Says the guy who was just whining about being insulted. You really are a hypocritical liar aren't you.


I find his trolling offensive and have no patience for him. So what?

EDIT: What you see me as whining about you insulting me is me asking why you are projecting your own attitudes and weaknesses on me.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#283 - 2016-07-30 20:00:01 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


I am after game balance dimwit, if that wreck EHP had been talked about with AG players we would have told CCP it would kill it stone dead for reasons I have explained here and on other threads.


And those reasons are that AG are not willing to put serious effort into or ISK at risk in pursuing their objectives whereas those who gank do.

Yup, very convincing. Roll


ISK, not using their mains due to them needing them to operate in hisec, lack of appertite to gank, lack of SP for those alts, its all there. You are not stooping to dimwit level are you?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#284 - 2016-07-30 20:38:52 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


I am after game balance dimwit, if that wreck EHP had been talked about with AG players we would have told CCP it would kill it stone dead for reasons I have explained here and on other threads.


And those reasons are that AG are not willing to put serious effort into or ISK at risk in pursuing their objectives whereas those who gank do.

Yup, very convincing. Roll


ISK, not using their mains due to them needing them to operate in hisec, lack of appertite to gank, lack of SP for those alts, its all there. You are not stooping to dimwit level are you?


No, I'm pointing out that the AG side does not want to put in the level of effort and risk significant amounts of ISK unlike the other side of the issue. Gankers have put together groups, coms, and pre-position assets, and so forth to engage in ganking. They have basically put lots of effort and ISK into obtaining their objective.

Why is it at all unreasonable to think AG should not have to put forth some degree of effort as well. You don't build up an AG corp or alliance. Do you have shared voice comms? Do you pre-position assets so people can go to the system where the gank is going to happen and get what they need there? Do you use any kind of fleet doctrine? Have you thought about spawning CONCORD on those cheap throw away alts you guys created for ganking wrecks?

I got into one of the anti-bumping threads and I pointed out that there is not much tank on those machs and that they are damn expensive. Gank those routinely and....well that would be a severe crimp in the ganking process, at least till they found a work around. The response was laughable. It was basically that they should not have to incur a criminal flag, lose sec status, and their ship to stop a ship from bumping another ship...CCP should do all that.

So I find the notion that AG would gank wrecks laughable. Sure they'll do it when it is super cheap and they can do it on a toss away alt. But as soon as it requires a bit more effort/ISK and it is "NOPE!"

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#285 - 2016-07-30 20:39:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
ISK
Don't be so tight, anybody would think you had short arms and deep pockets inhabited by crocodiles.

Quote:
not using their mains due to them needing them to operate in hisec,
Why can't you operate in hisec?
If sec status is a concern, the faction popo won't even think about coming after you until you hit:
-2.0 or lower in 1.0 space
-2.5 or lower in 0.9 and above
-3.0 or lower in 0.8 and above
-3.5 or lower in 0.7 and above
-4.0 or lower in 0.6 and above
-4.5 or lower in 0.5 and above

Quote:
lack of appertite to gank
Your problem, not ours.

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lack of SP for those alts
Deal with it, just like everybody else has to, by balancing the time required for skill training across essential alts for the activities they carry out. Alternatively use SP injectors, much as I dislike them they provide a pretty good solution for people who need to train up an alt without dropping training times on another character, or dropping money on an alt account/ dual character training.

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#286 - 2016-07-30 23:13:17 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Do you pre-position assets so people can go to the system where the gank is going to happen and get what they need there?


That's the main issue- AG groups are reacting, which is why they're always late to the party. They could of course police the common ganking systems but so far this level of coordination remains unheard of Bear
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#287 - 2016-07-31 09:46:06 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Do you pre-position assets so people can go to the system where the gank is going to happen and get what they need there?


That's the main issue- AG groups are reacting, which is why they're always late to the party. They could of course police the common ganking systems but so far this level of coordination remains unheard of Bear


Its not that they are reactionary its that they are just bad at the game. They would rather beg CCP to remove a gameplay option than think for themselves or even take advantage of the situation. For example, they could set up an escort service using shield logi, or set up an escort service that provides a webbing frigate to get the freighter into warp near instantly. They could charge for these services but they won't get their finger out. They could gank the gankers and turn a profit, they could set up their own freight service and move goods around in supertank ships or a dedicated blockade runner service for those small but very expensive cargo runs but they won't because it involves both work and game knowledge.

Rather than add content to the game they want to remove it to make their lives easier.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#288 - 2016-07-31 10:52:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Do you pre-position assets so people can go to the system where the gank is going to happen and get what they need there?


That's the main issue- AG groups are reacting, which is why they're always late to the party. They could of course police the common ganking systems but so far this level of coordination remains unheard of Bear


Its not that they are reactionary its that they are just bad at the game. They would rather beg CCP to remove a gameplay option than think for themselves or even take advantage of the situation. For example, they could set up an escort service using shield logi, or set up an escort service that provides a webbing frigate to get the freighter into warp near instantly. They could charge for these services but they won't get their finger out. They could gank the gankers and turn a profit, they could set up their own freight service and move goods around in supertank ships or a dedicated blockade runner service for those small but very expensive cargo runs but they won't because it involves both work and game knowledge.

Rather than add content to the game they want to remove it to make their lives easier.


So says the man whose Corp CEO got the rules changed on the only thing that was making it hard for them, that is being bad at Eve mate.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#289 - 2016-07-31 11:21:01 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Do you pre-position assets so people can go to the system where the gank is going to happen and get what they need there?


That's the main issue- AG groups are reacting, which is why they're always late to the party. They could of course police the common ganking systems but so far this level of coordination remains unheard of Bear


Its not that they are reactionary its that they are just bad at the game. They would rather beg CCP to remove a gameplay option than think for themselves or even take advantage of the situation. For example, they could set up an escort service using shield logi, or set up an escort service that provides a webbing frigate to get the freighter into warp near instantly. They could charge for these services but they won't get their finger out. They could gank the gankers and turn a profit, they could set up their own freight service and move goods around in supertank ships or a dedicated blockade runner service for those small but very expensive cargo runs but they won't because it involves both work and game knowledge.

Rather than add content to the game they want to remove it to make their lives easier.


So says the man whose Corp CEO got the rules changed on the only thing that was making it hard for them, that is being bad at Eve mate.


Such terrible ad-hominem posting. This is at least the second time I've seen you do this, in this thread.

This is not in anyway a refutation of the points above. Baltec is not his CEO.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#290 - 2016-07-31 11:57:32 UTC
Coralas wrote:

Such terrible ad-hominem posting. This is at least the second time I've seen you do this, in this thread.

This is not in anyway a refutation of the points above. Baltec is not his CEO.


Its all he has. Nevermind that he has been told and even shown that what he says is untrue, the argument came from a nullsec player who passed it onto Endie who passed it onto CCP along with a large number of other things and CCP acted on it. This change had a much larger impact out in low, null and WH space where wrecks are used as tactical warps and in regards to capital wreck looting.

I would also point out Endie is not our corps CEO.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#291 - 2016-07-31 12:33:58 UTC
Is he still claiming that the wreck EHP change was put in place specifically to allow gankers more time to loot a wreck before somebody shoots it?

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Galaxy Chicken
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#292 - 2016-07-31 13:59:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Galaxy Chicken
Lol that guy was trolling Drac by saying he was Endie, but poor vlad bought it hook line and sinker.

You probably won't ever convince him that he's not Endie, or that Kanye West isn't a secret illuminati operative.

Dracvlad spends most of his day wondering who everyone REALLY is...
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#293 - 2016-07-31 14:10:08 UTC
... while everyone knows it is in fact I who is the real Dracvlad Twisted
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#294 - 2016-07-31 14:51:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
And yet a few wrecks get ganked by AG players and the rules get changed, funny that...

For years wrecks were at 500 EHP until the Gankers were affected, funny that...

Reddit has Endie replying to Jestertrek there.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#295 - 2016-07-31 14:54:43 UTC
Coralas wrote:
Such terrible ad-hominem posting. This is at least the second time I've seen you do this, in this thread.

This is not in anyway a refutation of the points above. Baltec is not his CEO.


I never said baltec1 was the CEO

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#296 - 2016-07-31 16:33:25 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
And yet a few wrecks get ganked by AG players and the rules get changed, funny that...

For years wrecks were at 500 EHP until the Gankers were affected, funny that...

Reddit has Endie replying to Jestertrek there.


Offgrid boosting has been around for years but that too is getting removed. I'm willing to bet it happens just as some organisation starts using it too.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#297 - 2016-07-31 17:07:35 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Coralas wrote:
Such terrible ad-hominem posting. This is at least the second time I've seen you do this, in this thread.

This is not in anyway a refutation of the points above. Baltec is not his CEO.


I never said baltec1 was the CEO



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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#298 - 2016-07-31 19:11:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
And yet a few wrecks get ganked by AG players and the rules get changed, funny that...

For years wrecks were at 500 EHP until the Gankers were affected, funny that...

Reddit has Endie replying to Jestertrek there.


Offgrid boosting has been around for years but that too is getting removed. I'm willing to bet it happens just as some organisation starts using it too.


This has nothing to do with off grid boosting, this has everything to do with CCP being incompetent and Gankers not being able to defend the wrecks on the same basis as people have to defend freighters, getting all upset at having to actually put effort in and getting the rules changed.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#299 - 2016-07-31 19:13:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Bumblefck wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Coralas wrote:
Such terrible ad-hominem posting. This is at least the second time I've seen you do this, in this thread.

This is not in anyway a refutation of the points above. Baltec is not his CEO.


I never said baltec1 was the CEO



If backpedalling were an Olympic sport, you'd be up for gold


Link to me where I said baltec1 was the CEO of Bat Counrty. Roll

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#300 - 2016-08-01 04:22:16 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
And yet a few wrecks get ganked by AG players and the rules get changed, funny that...

For years wrecks were at 500 EHP until the Gankers were affected, funny that...

Reddit has Endie replying to Jestertrek there.


Offgrid boosting has been around for years but that too is getting removed. I'm willing to bet it happens just as some organisation starts using it too.


This has nothing to do with off grid boosting, this has everything to do with CCP being incompetent and Gankers not being able to defend the wrecks on the same basis as people have to defend freighters, getting all upset at having to actually put effort in and getting the rules changed.


Said the man bitching about having to use just two tornadoes.