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A Brief Commentary on the Uneven Distribution of Mineral Resources
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Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#21 - 2011-12-22 21:42:48 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Well he was mining ABCM ore, notably Arkonor. But yes, for mining such ores you'll want a dedicated hauling ship because of the sheer amount of space they take up, particularly when you look at the amount needed to get anything useful by refinement.

Edaine, I'm quite surprised the Sleepers didn't destroy your ship. I've heard they're quite powerful. But at least you learned something new.


I had to warp out, repair my drones and warp back in to finish. Yes, sleepers are tough, but I think the class of wormhole I was in was a lower class where the sleepers are less dangerous.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#22 - 2011-12-22 23:48:40 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
This is probably some kind of stealth complaint that the Amarr "stole all the resources" of the Pator system.


And this is probably some kind of stealth attempt to derail the topic.

Rek Jaiga, Original Post wrote:

Hello friends. I am not here to discuss politics or ideology or any of that.
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#23 - 2011-12-23 00:48:04 UTC
OK, I just got done mining my first Fullerite C-32 from Wormhole X702. I got away with 30 units but almost got destroyed. These sleepers were more dangerous than the others. If you could get a hulk load of this stuff, you'd make a bundle. Just 30 units/150m3 is over 400000 ISK at below regional unrefined. I don't know about going back right now. Warrior II's are not a match for these sleepers. Shields go down real fast.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#24 - 2011-12-23 02:10:23 UTC
Edaine Numenor wrote:
OK, I just got done mining my first Fullerite C-32 from Wormhole X702. I got away with 30 units but almost got destroyed. These sleepers were more dangerous than the others. If you could get a hulk load of this stuff, you'd make a bundle. Just 30 units/150m3 is over 400000 ISK at below regional unrefined. I don't know about going back right now. Warrior II's are not a match for these sleepers. Shields go down real fast.


If it is truly profitable you might want to take a heavy escort along to protect your harvesting ops. That is, assuming you are concerned about profit and willing to destroy the Sleepers.
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#25 - 2011-12-23 03:02:43 UTC
Right now, this is for the adventure mainly. It is also to try and find a way to out-smart these sleeper dudes. I found a way to do a little cat and mouse with them. Two clouds C-32 and C-28 were 141 km apart. You can get the group to chase you back and forth and get one to two cycles in before you have to leave. Sometimes if they are 100km distant, they won't target for a while and you can get more. Someone with decent equipment could do well with this. This was my first time cloud mining. I also found another wormhole into null sec from the wormhole space I was in. I harvested about 2.8 mil ISK worth of gas while playing in the wormhole system. I could have made more in a high sec asteroid field but it wouldn't have been as interesting.

I think for the capsuleer, scarcity of experience may be as important as the scarcity of the material mined. After today, I will seek to do most of my mining in wormhole space. It is just more interesting.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-12-23 03:42:33 UTC
Edaine Numenor wrote:
Right now, this is for the adventure mainly. It is also to try and find a way to out-smart these sleeper dudes. I found a way to do a little cat and mouse with them. Two clouds C-32 and C-28 were 141 km apart. You can get the group to chase you back and forth and get one to two cycles in before you have to leave. Sometimes if they are 100km distant, they won't target for a while and you can get more. Someone with decent equipment could do well with this. This was my first time cloud mining. I also found another wormhole into null sec from the wormhole space I was in. I harvested about 2.8 mil ISK worth of gas while playing in the wormhole system. I could have made more in a high sec asteroid field but it wouldn't have been as interesting.

I think for the capsuleer, scarcity of experience may be as important as the scarcity of the material mined. After today, I will seek to do most of my mining in wormhole space. It is just more interesting.


That's either a Bountiful or a Vast Frontier Reservoir, and it's no wonder you had to bail fast. Those sites are extremely challenging if not impossible to solo, even in a very well tanked combat ship. (I once had a Drake get neuted out in that sort of site.) Bring yourself + at least 1 if not 2 friends in well tanked BCs to clear the site, THEN start harvesting gas (as the site only has a single wave of Sleepers).

Fair warning: C32 is BULKY. (5m3/unit) You will need a high-capacity hauler or multiple hauler trips in order to deal with larger (5000 unit) C32 clouds.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#27 - 2011-12-23 13:24:07 UTC
Edaine Numenor wrote:

I think for the capsuleer, scarcity of experience may be as important as the scarcity of the material mined.


Truer words haven't been spoken. It is good that pilots more experienced with wormhole space have spoken here though; those wildlands are quite mysterious to many. From what I've noticed though, anything worthwhile that you can harvest is going to take up a lost of space, which forces you to rely on hauling. Nature doesn't smile on us in this regard!
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#28 - 2011-12-24 14:30:42 UTC
Well, it happened. While in wormhole space trying to scan down a site to mine, I got jumped, squashed and podded. Woke up blinking back in Duripant. While my crew knew the risks of our exciting journeys to mine wormhole space, they are dead now and that is a loss that takes me back to ask a lot of questions. I will train for and obtain cloaking technology before going back.

Why does the humiliation of a capsuleer pilot usually involve the death of other "mere mortals?" Seems I should of thought this through more carefully. RIP crew of "Crap Collector."

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#29 - 2011-12-24 15:02:51 UTC
Edaine Numenor wrote:
Well, it happened. While in wormhole space trying to scan down a site to mine, I got jumped, squashed and podded. Woke up blinking back in Duripant. While my crew knew the risks of our exciting journeys to mine wormhole space, they are dead now and that is a loss that takes me back to ask a lot of questions. I will train for and obtain cloaking technology before going back.

Why does the humiliation of a capsuleer pilot usually involve the death of other "mere mortals?" Seems I should of thought this through more carefully. RIP crew of "Crap Collector."


You should always keep your eyes on the directional scanner! Every low or nullsec miner knows this. If it was a cloak-capable ship, then yeah you had little to no chance of making out of there with your ship intact and crew alive. However, did you store ECM drones? They can be life-savers, literally.

It's an unfortunate part of our trade, Edaine. I've been told by wise people that it's part of the leadership role we play; be more careful next time.
Raphael Saint
Imperium Aeternum
#30 - 2011-12-29 02:17:51 UTC
I'm somewhat late to the party and I know the topic has moved on slightly, but as a past miner (I owe my capsuleership to it and still dabble in the trade), I'd be remiss if I didn't correct your initial claim of a lack of a good isogen source readily available (as opposed to the hidden sources of Omber) in the Empire

Kernite is freely available in 0.7 and lower, is quite a good source of isogen, and an even better source of that mexallon you mentioned to be in want of. It was my "cash crop" so to speak in my earliest days as a capsuleer and still today occaisionally enjoys the top slot for ISK/m3 in the Empire.

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OK, I just got done mining my first Fullerite C-32 from Wormhole X702. I got away with 30 units but almost got destroyed. These sleepers were more dangerous than the others. If you could get a hulk load of this stuff...

As an aside to Mr. Numenor, I think you'll find it quite impossible to harvest gas with a hulk, or any ship lacking turett hardpoints for that matter.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#31 - 2011-12-29 03:30:15 UTC
Raphael Saint wrote:
I'm somewhat late to the party and I know the topic has moved on slightly, but as a past miner (I owe my capsuleership to it and still dabble in the trade), I'd be remiss if I didn't correct your initial claim of a lack of a good isogen source readily available (as opposed to the hidden sources of Omber) in the Empire

Kernite is freely available in 0.7 and lower, is quite a good source of isogen, and an even better source of that mexallon you mentioned to be in want of. It was my "cash crop" so to speak in my earliest days as a capsuleer and still today occaisionally enjoys the top slot for ISK/m3 in the Empire.

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OK, I just got done mining my first Fullerite C-32 from Wormhole X702. I got away with 30 units but almost got destroyed. These sleepers were more dangerous than the others. If you could get a hulk load of this stuff...

As an aside to Mr. Numenor, I think you'll find it quite impossible to harvest gas with a hulk, or any ship lacking turett hardpoints for that matter.


Kernite in 0.7? In publicly-known asteroid belts, even? Amazing! A miner in analogous Republic or Federation space would squeal in delight to find such a thing. I suppose it goes without saying that because Empire high-security space is wealthier in minerals it has an advantage in industry and shipbuilding. But then Omber is a bit less bulky than Kernite, if memory serves me correctly.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2011-12-29 04:46:02 UTC
Raphael Saint wrote:

Quote:
OK, I just got done mining my first Fullerite C-32 from Wormhole X702. I got away with 30 units but almost got destroyed. These sleepers were more dangerous than the others. If you could get a hulk load of this stuff...

As an aside to Mr. Numenor, I think you'll find it quite impossible to harvest gas with a hulk, or any ship lacking turett hardpoints for that matter.

Right. Most folks use cruiser or battlecruiser hulls specially fit for this duty....just wait until you're in C5 space and hit your first Vital Core Reservoir with its 5000 unit C540 cloud (that thing requires 2 jetcans to harvest fully!).
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2011-12-29 19:00:22 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
It is much more efficient to gather resources by way of scavenging from the wrecks of downed ships and reprocessing the surviving equipment, which is how much of the high-security market for megacyte and zydrine is satisfied. And to a larger extent, the uneven distribution of mineral resources also impacts the common person living planet-side: commodities, vehicles, and even some building are made up of metals made from asteroid ores. Indeed, the very livelihood of the cluster depends on its industrial backbone.


I'm curious.

Are you suggesting that the pirate activities in what we call 'Empire space' are making a net positive contribution to the Empire economy, since the invading pirates build their ships and modules in nullsec? That the pirates in effect function as a cheap way of transporting rarer minerals to the parts of space already depleted of these minerals?
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#34 - 2011-12-29 19:39:04 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:

I'm curious.

Are you suggesting that the pirate activities in what we call 'Empire space' are making a net positive contribution to the Empire economy, since the invading pirates build their ships and modules in nullsec? That the pirates in effect function as a cheap way of transporting rarer minerals to the parts of space already depleted of these minerals?




Military activity of any sort, be it on the part of lawful entities or outlaws, redistributes mineral resources in favor of the victor. Think about it: if an Angel Cartel fleet invades a Republic system and gets swiftly destroyed, the Republic victors would safely be able to salvage and scavenge for re-usable sources of minerals. Of course, if two major empires clash the same is true (as I explained earlier the empires' navies have long since consumed the rarer materials, and so their ships are made of them).

So to answer your question directly: sort of. Every faction in the cluster has a prescence in each others' space, and this ensures that the rarer materials such as megacyte and zydrine will be spread out fairly evenly in the form of ships. No one can doubt, however, that even if pirates benefit resource scavengers such as myself they still inflict much harm on the citizens of the empires.
Erik Kaassan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-01-13 21:11:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Erik Kaassan
I have had my time in wormhole space and the sleepers are indeed powerful. A battleship from our company had to join us in order to clear out the enemies and run security but it turned out quite profitiable. With only two miners, a hauler and a battleship we pulled out minerals to finish a round of battleships we had been building.

Clearly this was a dangerous but profitable venture.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-01-14 00:44:44 UTC
Erik Kaassan wrote:
I have had my time in wormhole space and the sleepers are indeed powerful. A battleship from our company had to join us in order to clear out the enemies and run security but it turned out quite profitiable. With only two miners, a hauler and a battleship we pulled out minerals to finish a round of battleships we had been building.

Clearly this was a dangerous but profitable venture.

Be glad I wasn't around in my bomber, or else you probably would have been sent packing, one way or another... Pirate
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