EVE General Discussion

That depends on where your sandbox is. If your sandbox is in america where the govt holds your hand, allows you to sue for spilling coffee on your lap( due to your own carelessness of trying to hold said cup between your legs on a car seat and putting sugar and creamer in it), and creates a new law every time some stubs a toe outlawing what they stubbed their toe on...then sure its a safe place to play.

On the other hand if your sandbox is in the middle east or africa, not only might the other kids have ak-47s but a mortar might land on the sandcastle you just built and take the sandcastle and you both out.

You are trying to play in a sandbox located in a war zone but want the same protection afforded to you as if you were living in a bunker in rural America. If you want your sandbox to be a cozy place to call home where your 4 year old can build sandcastles without playing catch with RPGs and Mortars, then its up to you to make your sandbox that way.

Yes, we all play a pvp game but dont log in because we MIGHT get ganked. That makes a lot of sense. You either accept you are trying to pve in a pvp game and take the necessary precautions, you accept that its a pvp game and risk it, you accept that its pvp game and dont play it, you dont accept its pvp game and cry when you do get ganked, or you dont accept its a pvp game and try to change it to be space farmville.

Accept the fact that you play a pvp game and pvp happens and then learn to deal with pvp...or dont and stop playing.

Ganking is good for the game because:
1) It removes loot from the game.
2) It removes ships and modules from the game, which are produced by the same people that usually whine about the pvp aspect. They fail to understand the basic concept that pew pew creates demand for their loot and stuff they make with the 42,000 blueprints they own.
3) It gives people an incentive to leave high sec. Some people dont get that the ideal goal is to leave high sec. The game is set up to encourage you to leave high sec, including the ganking aspect and the corps/alliances that wardec 500 corps/alliances at a time.

Also one of the key features of eve is a player's fist interacting with your face when you dont want wear the appropriate protection(AKA: helmet, AKA:Tank) to prevent that interaction. Also you are not the only one that plays this game. You may not enjoy all the interactions in it but you have a choice: you can accept you will not enjoy all the interactions and play anyway or you can just not play. However this is NOT Burger King, you cannot have it your way. You take it the way it comes or dont take it.

Real world law enforcement is reactive not proactive. I would hardly call TSA law enforcement. They are more like glorified security guards on a power trip( and to much power). While they reduce the likelihood of terrorist boarding a plane or a plane going down, they are not a 100% guaranteed preventive measure... Much like a Kevlar vest will not prevent you from dying from a gunshot. It only increases you odds of survival.


I think all bears need to watch the movie "Lord of War" and focus on the main character and what he does. THAT is what you do in eve. You are the Lord of War in Eve. Without stuff blowing up, your services are not needed. Sometimes what is blowing up is you.

Ok the lames are in full force now.

Let's not compare what goes on in a video game to shooting kids with AKs. Please??

It's 100% the same thing as what you're talking about. My entire point was the community is only toxic to entitled clueless new people who don't want to learn from vets. In pretty much all other MMOs I have played I have been heavily PvE. Adjusting to the fact that PvP is everywhere (yes, including HS) is a learning curve. Get over the curve instead of asking CCP to change the game. That's the point.

So when five of out five of my friends decide to quit eve partly due to bad mechanics there can't be any improvements to the game/new player experience without killing eve and when I'm giving feedback about this issue I'm entitled and clueless?

Btw you 1-2 guys in this forum who actually calmly argue your points of view instead, well done contributing to something constructive.

Answer: yes

I've had more friends than that try eve and quit. What I learned is that EVE just wasn't for them. There is nothing wrong with that.

What is wrong is the idea that something is wrong with the game rather to the real truth, which is that this kind of thing just won't appeal to many people...and things that DO appeal to many people tend to suck.

But is it bad mechanics if it's working as intended. See the other dozen posts in this thread alone at how to avoid being ganked. If your friends won't learn or refuse to learn then yeah...

I didn't say there weren't. But thanks for your answer.

While I don't agree with the analogy about the red light... We can agree that the whole bad mechanic part is subjective. For instance if we take OP's example. Those highsec gankers most likely think that it's a great mechanic that they can steal loot for billions of ISK free of risk and with little effort. And certainly it gives a feeling of danger in HS which I don't want to kill. And obviously from many others players perspective it's a bad mechanic.

But regardless of perspective... And even though everyone know where I stand, if I refrain from saying one or the other is right... Is it that far fetched that this is probably causing a lot of players to quit, who could've loved eve for it's awesome pvp? I know atleast a few of my friends would've thrived in eve, atleast in lowsec. Must it all be all black and white, can there be no improvements for new players and HS residents without killing eve? I find that hard to belive.

Anyway, I just wanted to give my feedback about what I saw as a deterrent for new players, or atleast it was for my friends. I've lingered in these forums longer than I had planned. Gl and have a nice day everyone.

If they couldn't stand the loss of some ship, what makes you think they'd like pvp?

Decloaking in a fast moving ship, usually an interceptor, is indeed a thing.

Sorry for loss, but...working as intended.