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Stop the wars !!! I want to do my own thing !!!

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#61 - 2016-07-23 12:11:58 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
Here's the solution:

You can have undeccable corps, but

Everything you mine instantly evaporates from your hold,
every ISK you get from rat bounties, instantly evaporates,
every isk and LP you get from a mission, instantly evaporates.

Then, when your actions will in no way affect your surroundings, you can be "left alone".

You do realize that because they are "there" someone will want to kill them and then never leave them alone because they are lil peasant trolls right?

The easiest way to troll someone that wants to kill you is to just never let them. You want salt mines? **** someone off and then just never let yourself ever get hit by a single punch.... trust me Ive done it in a real ring. Mohammed Ali style... is that all you got?! Rope-a-dope the dopes. Especially if they think theyre all leet "pvpers". Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2016-07-23 12:17:53 UTC
Dave Day wrote:
I wonder if the community has a view on my suggestion?


Just one. EVE is a PVP-focused game. The PVE elements are all focused on enabling more PVP. Whether you like it or not, your mining/missioning/marketing is all as much in competition with other players as direct ship-to-ship combat is. So no, hell no. If you wanted to avoid PVP, then your option is don't log in to EVE, because everything you do here is PVP.

Seriously, even if you're mining in high sec, you're mining resources away from other players. Sure, it'll respawn, but then there's the time zone factor, and it only respawns once a day. Maybe a corp in your local space gets sick of your ****, mining all the local asteroids, and want to stop you, so they wardec you. It's a very simple example, to be sure, but you take that option away from them by 'opting out' of PVP.

This game already has an opt-out anyway. It's called not logging in.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Beta Maoye
#63 - 2016-07-23 12:33:58 UTC
Dave Day wrote:

I wonder if the community has a view on my suggestion?


It is unlikely the game will allow complete safety in high sec.

Wardec should have consequence for both attacker and defender. Under current mechanic, the consequence of wardec for attacker is trivial. Temporary corp for the purpose of wardec can pay wardec fee and then licensed to kill while being protected by Concord. Wardec initiator should have at least a citadel put up in space so that the defender can attack the aggressor's home base to avenge.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#64 - 2016-07-23 12:36:40 UTC
Xylem Viliana wrote:
War, War never changes.

this thread, this thread never changes.

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Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#65 - 2016-07-23 12:38:28 UTC
Lex Gabinia wrote:
Sustrai Aditua wrote:
Of course, the sociopaths have rushed to exclaim "something something KILL KILL KILL". However, since the vast majority of gamers would pay real money to play a game where the one eye-browed knuckle-draggers could only diddle with each other...and since a lot of gaming companies who went t!ts up and broke at the clamoring this PvP minority felt they just had to create (just to survive as a group...not all stupid, eh?) it would behoove a company to ignore the sociopathic, yet very loud minority (who largely pay in PLEX) and listen to those who actually use MONEY...in terms of enlightened self-interest and seriously consider the OP's point.

But, they won't. This proves my theory that everybody in the world (except me) has lost their minds.


Wow such abuse of terms - idiot, sociopath. Words have meaning people and proper usage. Dictionaries are free and online these days.

Oh and PLEX=Money to CCP. As has been oft cited in these forums - someone bought that PLEX with hard currency that went to CCP. That person then sold it for iskies in game to the knuckle-dragging, sociopaths.

Also there are PLENTY of games where PvP is restricted. Why does this have to be one? Why can't it be different?
Work the shaft. (Those words have meaning, too?)

If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#66 - 2016-07-23 12:43:41 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#67 - 2016-07-23 12:49:46 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
What an irony, there will be no dreams to wreck soon. Only the horrors dreamt by those who stayed.

How many good dreams turn into nightmares before the dawn rises? And in the end all your left with is a pounding heart, sweaty sheets and a fear you cant shake as you get up to go about your day.... Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#68 - 2016-07-23 13:05:00 UTC
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#69 - 2016-07-23 13:39:29 UTC
OP.
I must apologize.
I sincerely thought you were trolling.
I know now that you are absolutely serious.

This horrifies me.
I was pure carebear for many years.
Thanks to the efforts of some very good people I was able to recover.
This happened after crimewatch was enacted, so I missed the golden days of PVP.
Instead, I found that strangely enough my PVE ways were actually beneficial to not only myself but those who I then worked with.
It turned out that my diligent efforts had raised the standings for our corp to the point where there were a few corps that we now were liked by enough for us to establish jump clones with. Now people who joined us could reap this benefit due to the work I had done. It felt kinda cool.

Then they patched it out. Now anyone anywhere can jump clone with anyone.
That's okay, it's not like I was working specifically towards that or anything. But there it was, that nagging voice in the back of my head, telling me that there were others who had worked their asses off JUST FOR THIS.
I had a tiny sad after that, not for me, but for them. Just a tiny one.

My other PVE thing was Locator Agents. Once I found out how valuable they were I chased after that standing increase like it was the holy grail. More agents, more potential targets you could try to locate. With a crew you could cover quite a few, especially if you were talking to each other. I worked my ass off to try and get these up.

Then in March I believe, they did the whole 'Buddy List' change. All of my watchlisted targets were now invalid. Without knowing whether or not they were online the 500 to a thousand potential targets suddenly turned into the proverbial 'needle in a haystack'. Hell, even running two accounts I could only locate 4 or so per hour that way. With even a conservative estimate of 400 targets, that's a hundred hours to try and check them all for me alone.

Locator agent work invalidated.

War became impractical on a contract level. You couldn't guarantee any kind of result to an employer unless your target had a structure in space that could be taken down. Merc work devolved into mass deccing and camping trade hubs and pipes.
Hunting a target corp became more than a chore. When I explained what actually needed to be done in order to be effective to a non-eve playing coworker, his response was 'that's WAY too much effort for a video game. '

This is true.

Back to the point.
Because you are actually serious, in spite of all this, I've decided to make the remaining months before my sub runs out very special for the both of us.

In the immortal words of Cannibal Kane, 'Hello there, future war target.'

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
May Arethusa
Junction Systems
#70 - 2016-07-23 14:52:36 UTC
Get out of High-Sec, then you don't have to worry about wardecs. As often.
Dave Day
Universal Freelance
#71 - 2016-07-23 16:11:53 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
OP.
Because you are actually serious, in spite of all this, I've decided to make the remaining months before my sub runs out very special for the both of us.

In the immortal words of Cannibal Kane, 'Hello there, future war target.'


Well.....there's a surprise (sigh)
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#72 - 2016-07-23 16:25:51 UTC
'Everyone Versus Everyone', not 'Everyone Versus Everyone But Me'

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#73 - 2016-07-23 16:32:23 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#74 - 2016-07-23 16:39:41 UTC
Dave Day wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
OP.
Because you are actually serious, in spite of all this, I've decided to make the remaining months before my sub runs out very special for the both of us.

In the immortal words of Cannibal Kane, 'Hello there, future war target.'


Well.....there's a surprise (sigh)
Your actions in Eve have consequences, that includes your forum posting.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#75 - 2016-07-23 17:11:18 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dave Day wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
OP.
Because you are actually serious, in spite of all this, I've decided to make the remaining months before my sub runs out very special for the both of us.

In the immortal words of Cannibal Kane, 'Hello there, future war target.'


Well.....there's a surprise (sigh)
Your actions in Eve have consequences, that includes your forum posting.

It was mentioned at fanfest also. When you are searching for some targets, you can always come here and say to everybody you really dont like the game because of them, that you dont like to be wardecced and you only have one account and no alts and you despise every PvP and everyone who ever shoot at someone. And you are sure they are a fat, autistic neckbeards in real, with cheetos in their keyboards. Twisted

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Elsia Browne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2016-07-23 17:27:04 UTC
Wow, I don't believe anyone even read the OPs post. He doesn't want to eliminate war. He just wants it to be possible to not be forced to play everyone elses game, he wants to play his own.

For all those out there that obviously didn't read the OP post. Please....please read it again and pay attention to the fact that he doesn't want to remove war completely from the game.

He wants to create a way for players in player corps to basically become part of Interbus. You pay a fee every week or month, to be part of an NPC faction that doesn't participate in FW and can not be wardecced. With this your corp would have a minimum tax rate, not be able to anchor certain structures, plus other penalties. His other idea is an idea that people have been floating now for a while. Which is "Hey if a corp can bribe Concord to look the other way why can't we bribe Concord for protection?".

Why is that such a bad idea? seriously it fits into the whole Sandbox mentality. Also before you go and say "well he shouldn't be able to force his style of play onto me!" or "This is a PVP focused game with some PVE etc. etc."

I CALL BS! TOTAL F'n BS!

Wardecs as we are currently see them is forcing a style of play that obviously a majority of the players don't like which is oh why they are leaving. What this game needs is balance. Not nerfing, not a new style of game play but balance.

We as players need to stop telling other players to "quit because this game isn't for you" that's just absurd. Why would you do such a thing as to tell a player to leave a game that you enjoy playing. Let that sink in for a minute, telling a player to leave a game because they had a bad experience is just insane. If you want more players to play your game so you have "more targets" then you want them to stay. I saw a good response on another post the other day. "Join the corp that war decced your corp". That is smart, then they will learn something.

Also stop calling this game "PVP focused" I'm sorry its not. If it was NPCs would be selling ships, modules, and ammo. Not players. There would be no need for mining structures, no need for a player driven market, BPOs, BPCs etc. etc. etc. You would basically get a ship and fit it then go out and blow things up. Think if it like a Ship based version of MWO or any other FPS game out there, heck the game would be so close to dark prophecy it wouldn't be funny. But it isn't, EVE is an EVERYTHING BASED game, deal with it. All sorts of players play this game, and as you can see when one style of player is put up above the rest.....guess what happens the rest LEAVE! You want eve to die, all of those that are saying for players to quit are doing an awesome job at achieving their goal. Honestly if I was CCP I'd start temp banning players that told others to leave.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#77 - 2016-07-23 17:35:06 UTC
Elsia Browne wrote:
Wow, I don't believe anyone even read the OPs post. He doesn't want to eliminate war. He just wants it to be possible to not be forced to play everyone elses game, he wants to play his own.


He can do that any time he wants by logging on to the Singularity server instead of Tranquility.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#78 - 2016-07-23 17:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Doc Fury wrote:
Elsia Browne wrote:
Wow, I don't believe anyone even read the OPs post. He doesn't want to eliminate war. He just wants it to be possible to not be forced to play everyone elses game, he wants to play his own.


He can do that any time he wants by logging on to the Singularity server instead of Tranquility.

Why? He can just unsub and wait. Chill. It will be no different in some time.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#79 - 2016-07-23 17:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Elsia Browne wrote:
Wow, I don't believe anyone even read the OPs post. He doesn't want to eliminate war. He just wants it to be possible to not be forced to play everyone elses game, he wants to play his own.

For all those out there that obviously didn't read the OP post. Please....please read it again and pay attention to the fact that he doesn't want to remove war completely from the game.
He can play his own game, so can everybody else; that's the point people are making. You're right in that he doesn't want to completely remove war from the game, he just wants to remove the possibility of it happening to him; there's good news, he already can, using the existing mechanics.

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He wants to create a way for players in player corps to basically become part of Interbus. You pay a fee every week or month, to be part of an NPC faction that doesn't participate in FW and can not be wardecced. With this your corp would have a minimum tax rate, not be able to anchor certain structures, plus other penalties.
This is called an NPC corp, it already exists, if he wishes to play with like minded players in other corps he can set up a chatroom in lieu of corp chat.

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His other idea is an idea that people have been floating now for a while. Which is "Hey if a corp can bribe Concord to look the other way why can't we bribe Concord for protection?".
Because protection is not Concords job, punishment is.

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Also stop calling this game "PVP focused" I'm sorry its not. If it was NPCs would be selling ships, modules, and ammo. Not players. There would be no need for mining structures, no need for a player driven market, BPOs, BPCs etc. etc. etc. You would basically get a ship and fit it then go out and blow things up.
Everything you say here is wrong; a player driven market and economy is the very essence of a PvP focused game where loss has meaning, an NPC driven market is the exact opposite; if you want to see what Eve would look like with an NPC driven market look no further than the test server where 99% of the stuff on the market is pre-seeded and loss means nothing.

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Think if it like a Ship based version of MWO or any other FPS game out there, heck the game would be so close to dark prophecy it wouldn't be funny. But it isn't, EVE is an EVERYTHING BASED game, deal with it. All sorts of players play this game, and as you can see when one style of player is put up above the rest.....guess what happens the rest LEAVE! You want eve to die, all of those that are saying for players to quit are doing an awesome job at achieving their goal. Honestly if I was CCP I'd start temp banning players that told others to leave.
Eve had a continual year on year growth for many years, despite the game being much more violent and unforgiving than it is now.

If someone leaves because they realise that Eve isn't for them, then fair play there's no shame in that, it's not designed to appeal to the mass market.

What doesn't go down well is the constant bleating from those that would like to turn Eve into something that is more mainstream; they should kindly leave our brutal little corner of the gaming universe alone and play something more mainstream that already caters to them.

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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#80 - 2016-07-23 17:54:49 UTC
Damn, post above me got to it before I did.