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Stop the wars !!! I want to do my own thing !!!

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#41 - 2016-07-23 04:59:32 UTC
I had a silly idea when I read the OP. What if you could pay off concord?

We have a 24 hour war stasis period, where 50mil or more is automatically frozen for the wardec ahead and the dec is ALREADY pending, but what would happen if during that 24 hour period you could travel to a Concord station and bid up the war dec fee with a counter offer, aka bribe, to Concord to call the entire thing off. This offer is then sent to the deccing corp to be in turn bid up or just let go of the war dec. This can happen as many times as you want during the 24 hour build up period.

Ultimately its a matter of how much is it worth to you? is the question of the day.

All of the winners isk bid goes to Concord and becomes an isk sink, either to wardec or provide immunity bribes and at least 10% of the next highest bidders isk would also go to ensure that both sides do "pay" for the fun game of bidding on a war dec.

Basically you could ironically raise a war deccers fees to insane amounts or you could screw over some indy corp out of hundreds of millions of isk to "save themselves". And in the end its basically playing chicken or all in or fold poker with your war deccers.

Another idea I had was to let it be public record and have anyone bid on a war dec/immunity fee. But either way itd add a gamble to a war dec situation and an isk sink to CCP for playing it.

Yes in the end you would only be tossing isk at the problem and most people wouldnt bother or care but some would and itd be a funny thing to see how much you could get someone to pay for either given interesting circumstances. It would favor isk rich corps/alliances or players in order to toss isk away but then is that something thats new now? No not really. But I think a bit of a gambling mini game would be hilarious to see and might actually make it a bit more interesting than what it is now. And seeing as each player, corp or alliance would have a different "break even" point on the relative worth of a dec or immunity it might make for some interesting player interactions solely on that level. And making it public to some point at least means that you could have bragging rights in C&P on both sides of the bargaining table.


Either way was a funny idea that came to me just now.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2016-07-23 05:49:07 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
I had a silly idea when I read the OP. What if you could pay off concord?

[snip]


Yes, that is what a war dec is essentially. Somebody has paid CONCORD to look the other way when they come to shoot your stuff.

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Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2016-07-23 08:32:25 UTC
You forget that new players are poor, they couldn't bid.
Unless they play the "pay to win" game (buying PLEX with RL money to sell it in game for ISK). What a sense of achievement Roll
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#44 - 2016-07-23 09:01:52 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
I had a silly idea when I read the OP. What if you could pay off concord?

[snip]


Yes, that is what a war dec is essentially. Somebody has paid CONCORD to look the other way when they come to shoot your stuff.

Yes but if you hadnt "snipped" and instead read you wouldve read a funny idea to turn that pay off into both an isk sink and an interesting lil mini game, a psychological game of isk "chicken" between players, corps or alliances..... good thing you dont read much though...Roll

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#45 - 2016-07-23 09:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Lex Gabinia wrote:
Anyway, I suggest that a fundamental change allowing a player to be exempt from PvP is a bit more than a side effect. From what I read of your other posts, I believe that you agree with me.

So, what am I missing? Are you suggesting that these "social tools" are so important that people are willing to sacrifice one of the tenents of the game?

How stupid are you?

It's already totally possible to be exempt from wardecs.

No one has suggested anyone be allowed to be exempt from pvp (well...at least not in this thread). Where did you get that from?

As to what you are missing. I would suggest a brain as a good starting point. No, I am not suggesting people are willing to sacrifice anything. Wardecs should be in the game as they are and no-one should be able to buy immunity from them.

The OPs suggestion is not needed and CCP previously proposed an alternative system in the game that would totally achieve what he wants (and more), without sacrificing any of the existing exposure of player Corps to wardecs. All player owned Corps should be subject to the wardec mechanics. That's the choice made when a Corp is formed and no amount of whinging should change that.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Ramses Davaham
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2016-07-23 09:21:50 UTC
Dave Day wrote:
Well.....kinda.

I do accept that wars are part of Eve. A very important part. But i'd like to make a suggestion on behalf of those of who just aren't into pvp. I hope that the reaction of the community will be a considered response and not just the usual "learn to fight" and "can I have your stuff". I've been around since just after launch in 2003. 13 years (without taking a break) and I hope the community will allow me a voice.

As I said, not everyone is into pvp. I still have the original game CD box on my shelf, which says I can "be anything I want to be". Well, what I want is to be left in peace to build my stuff and mine my ore with my friends. The current game mechanics simply won't allow that.

So what do I want then? Well, i'd like to be excluded from wardecs. Please read on before you hit the flame button:

I think it would be a great idea if CCP allowed corps who have no interest in pvp to sign into an opt out clause, which carries penalties for that corp. For instance, they can't build any structures (it's only fair that structures are vulnerable). They can't declare war. They pay additional taxes to buy and sell on the market and additional manufacturing costs. They suffer a mining penalty, perhaps even a general penalty to all aspects of their ships stats. They get lower mission rewards, etc etc. and they are of course as vulnerable as anyone else in low and null sec.

In short, they are disadvantaged. They must pay the price of peace.

I know....go join an NPC corp then. But as we all know the purpose of a corp is to have that small space in the game shared with you and your buddies. Concord already effectively takes bribes (the wardec fees) to turn a blind eye to aggression. Surely it wouldn't be taking it out of character if it charged "protection money" to those who don't want to fight?

If you're into fighting there are plenty of players willing to give you a fight. But I see many people who just want to mine and chat or build and sell things who quickly realise that they just aren't going to be allowed to do that in a casual, peaceful corp. So they play for a month or so and quit. In a time of falling subscriptions I wonder if it would be so harmful for CCP to finally consider those who don't consider their time in Eve to be solely fighting?

I wonder if the community has a view on my suggestion?



For someone whose supposedly been around a long time...you're as dumb as a sack of potatoes.

The only valid things you listed in your argument are deployment of structures...

Nothing prevents you from forming your own fleets to get command boosts of various types and kinds.
Taxation wise - you don't loose that much in isk.

All I see here is a dribbling moron crying over something that many hundreds if not thousands know how to deal with the issue.

If anything you've just made yourself a target by complaining about war decs here.

If you can't cope with it...then don't join a corp.
Jasmine Deer
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2016-07-23 09:47:08 UTC
Ramses Davaham wrote:



For someone whose supposedly been around a long time...you're as dumb as a sack of potatoes.

The only valid things you listed in your argument are deployment of structures...

Nothing prevents you from forming your own fleets to get command boosts of various types and kinds.
Taxation wise - you don't loose that much in isk.

All I see here is a dribbling moron crying over something that many hundreds if not thousands know how to deal with the issue.

If anything you've just made yourself a target by complaining about war decs here.

If you can't cope with it...then don't join a corp.


All I see here is someone who can't even spell "lose" calling out another poster for being "dumb" and a "dribbling moron".
Hilarious.

I'm sure you can argue your case without resorting to personal insults.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#48 - 2016-07-23 09:52:27 UTC
Dave Day wrote:
As I said, not everyone is into pvp. I still have the original game CD box on my shelf, which says I can "be anything I want to be". Well, what I want is to be left in peace to build my stuff and mine my ore with my friends. The current game mechanics simply won't allow that.
And they never did. 2003 you say? Some people seem have trouble accepting reality. If CCP has kept to their original vision of universe where everyone is vulnerable to everyone else for 13 years, why do you think they will change their minds now and allow you to make yourself invulnerable to the other players?

Well, some people are, I guess, just optimists like you and Speak, the Hungarian rapper: Stop The War!
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#49 - 2016-07-23 09:54:08 UTC
So I see.

I see numbers will rise again.

In Doomheim.

Acompanied by "**** EVE" on the tombstones, as someone said to me in game recently.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#50 - 2016-07-23 10:10:05 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
So I see.

I see numbers will rise again.

In Doomheim.

Acompanied by "**** EVE" on the tombstones, as someone said to me in game recently.



Sorting out the wheat from the chaff, I guess

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2016-07-23 10:21:50 UTC
So many players hate this wardec systems, so many players are forced to dock up for a week to avoid their copr to be permadecced...

...1 week of paid gameplay unable to play...

...only totally stupid game developers can ignore something like that in a subscription based mmo...

...but they seem to ignore it anyway...

They are probably overconfident about players attachment to this game.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#52 - 2016-07-23 10:30:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Bumblefck wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
So I see.

I see numbers will rise again.

In Doomheim.

Acompanied by "**** EVE" on the tombstones, as someone said to me in game recently.



Sorting out the wheat from the chaff, I guess

I prefer balanced diet, with whole foods.
Ramses Davaham
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2016-07-23 10:54:07 UTC
Jasmine Deer wrote:
Ramses Davaham wrote:



For someone whose supposedly been around a long time...you're as dumb as a sack of potatoes.

The only valid things you listed in your argument are deployment of structures...

Nothing prevents you from forming your own fleets to get command boosts of various types and kinds.
Taxation wise - you don't loose that much in isk.

All I see here is a dribbling moron crying over something that many hundreds if not thousands know how to deal with the issue.

If anything you've just made yourself a target by complaining about war decs here.

If you can't cope with it...then don't join a corp.


All I see here is someone who can't even spell "lose" calling out another poster for being "dumb" and a "dribbling moron".
Hilarious.

I'm sure you can argue your case without resorting to personal insults.

I fail to see where I was wrong regardless...move along troll.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#54 - 2016-07-23 10:58:09 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
So many players hate this wardec systems, so many players CHOOSE to dock up for a week to avoid their copr to be permadecced...

...1 week of paid gameplay BEING FORCED to play...

...only totally AWESOME game developers can DESIGN something like that in a subscription based mmo...

...AND they seem to UNDERSTAND it anyway...

They are probably OPTIMISTIC about players NOT BEING GIGANTIC CRYBABIES.


Capitalized the bits i fixed for you, kthxbai.




Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#55 - 2016-07-23 11:07:25 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
So many players hate this wardec systems, so many players CHOOSE to dock up for a week to avoid their copr to be permadecced...

...1 week of paid gameplay BEING FORCED to play...

...only totally AWESOME game developers can DESIGN something like that in a subscription based mmo...

...AND they seem to UNDERSTAND it anyway...

They are probably OPTIMISTIC about players NOT BEING GIGANTIC CRYBABIES.


Capitalized the bits i fixed for you, kthxbai.





It alleviates the difference in the way you think and the victims of wardec system think. You will not come to agreement without CCP help I see, you have never been able to do that. Like a childrens.

Maybe its too much unrestrained pathology, even on forums, it comes out for you more and more because there is less prey. People are tired of this ****. I dont blame them.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#56 - 2016-07-23 11:17:49 UTC
Here's the solution:

You can have undeccable corps, but

Everything you mine instantly evaporates from your hold,
every ISK you get from rat bounties, instantly evaporates,
every isk and LP you get from a mission, instantly evaporates.

Then, when your actions will in no way affect your surroundings, you can be "left alone".
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#57 - 2016-07-23 11:25:47 UTC
Dave Day
Universal Freelance
#58 - 2016-07-23 11:53:31 UTC
Well....aside from being called as dumb as a sack of potatoes and a dribbling moron by one idiot, this has been quite constructive.

How about this? "Economic war"....."invicicorp" as it has been called in this post by someone else is still vulnerable to an "Economic war". The aggressor still pays a fee (less than full scale wardec). When they find stuff being put to market by "invincicorp" they put their own stuff on (same items) at a lower price. As the aggressor sells more than Invincicorp, Invicicorp's broker fees and transaction tax rise, eventually pricing it out of the market.

The aggressor would need to do some work, instead of hanging around in Jita waiting for a passing indy to shoot of course.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#59 - 2016-07-23 12:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
If I would design wardec system I would allow creation of one more kind of player corporations that are essentially today NPC corps in the design together with tax, but they allow for inviting, logo and name player would like to see himself. Also medals, roles and a player tax on top.
Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#60 - 2016-07-23 12:10:40 UTC
War, War never changes.