EVE General Discussion

As Marsha wrote in the first reply, the concept of a 'social corp' is probably what you are looking for. Hopefully CCP revisit the idea.

I don't disagree with the OP's overall sentiment, however the idea of paying CONCORD a protection fee is not the way to go IMO.

In the OPs proposal:

1. A corp pays a protection fee to CONCORD to be free from wardecs
2. Said Corp members can still gank, go pvp in lowsec or null, etc.

That is, it's a one way transaction despite the disadvantages of higher taxes, lower yields, etc.

If a pvp focused Corp, or a group of gankers - who never intend to PvE - want protection from being wardecced, then they can use the proposed mechanic to limit ways in which others can respond to their activities, but still be free to play how they want regardless.

It's a concept that only works ok for purely PvE Corps that will never take part in pvp, ever.

I'm not really expressing that properly as the obvious example of NPC Corps is like what the OP wants, but with the additional benefits of social tools.

But overall, removing tools from people isn't the way I think this should be done.

Give people more tools that provide them with new ways to play how they want. Don't put in mechanics that restrict other people's choices just so you can play how you want.

So IMO, just provide the social tools that anyone can use, no matter if they are in a player run Corp, or an NPC owned Corp. There's nothing wrong with have more ways to socialise in the game.

No, the concept of the social corps that was discussed a couple of years ago.

If you think social tools are simply a chat channel, you are an idiot.

The concept that was discussed included things like, shared fittings so public fleets could provide access to fittings to people easily, shared contracts which also help people fit ships and provide them easily to people in the social group, shared calendar so events could be scheduled, etc. A lot more than just a chat channel.

And this needs to be a special group because...why?

Forgive the question, apparently I am an idiot.

To prove that fact, I admit that I do not understand why I would share a contract with anyone.

I believe I can invite anyone to a calendar event.

Oh and I can share fittings with anyone with a drag and drop to a, wait for it, chat channel.

Who said it needs to be a special group? It's just more tools that people can use.

And yes, you clearly are an idiot.

So take your situation for example, you are in a player Corp and have access to the social aspects provided to a player Corp. That's great.

But say you also want to take part in Spectre Fleet Roams, Affirmatives roams, or major annual roams like Waffles Birthday roams, etc.

Currently, to find out anything about those events, third-party tools are needed. Posts to r/eve, external websites, posts in the in game events forum (which as a subsection of the forum, has few players reading it) and other tools external to the game are used to spread the word, get people involved, provide information about fittings, etc.

If FCs in those roams want to use a specific doctrine, generally the departure of the fleet ends up being delayed as people buy their stuff when they turn up (and usually have to fly around a bit first). If someone dies mid fleet and is podded back to the start point, it's difficult with the current systems to have contracted, fitted ships they can quickly jump into. Often with large events, some people end up dual boxxing so ships can be handed out by a station sitting alt, etc. The current in game tools could be improved so that people who want to help generate content in the game have some assistance.

Until the CREST end points for fittings were available, gaining information about standard fittings for different groups was a PITA, and there are still difficulties in running those public groups that cross the boundaries we normally put around ourselves when we join a player Corp or choose to stay in an NPC Corp.

Getting the information out, organising ships, etc. falls on a few people doing quite a bit of extra work. Instead, by providing additional tools to people, it would be possible for you to sign up to all of those groups and be able to access information anytime you are on, even if the organisers of the groups are not online.

It doesn't take much intelligence to see how actually providing more tools in game (as opposed to nerfing choices of people as proposed in the OP) can help people form additional social connections, all of which will help contribute to 'meaningful experiences' that CCP view as important indicators of long term retention in the game.

Idiot double post

Of course, the sociopaths have rushed to exclaim "something something KILL KILL KILL". However, since the vast majority of gamers would pay real money to play a game where the one eye-browed knuckle-draggers could only diddle with each other...and since a lot of gaming companies who went t!ts up and broke at the clamoring this PvP minority felt they just had to create (just to survive as a group...not all stupid, eh?) it would behoove a company to ignore the sociopathic, yet very loud minority (who largely pay in PLEX) and listen to those who actually use MONEY...in terms of enlightened self-interest and seriously consider the OP's point.

But, they won't. This proves my theory that everybody in the world (except me) has lost their minds.

The price of peace could be to hire a merc corp to fight for you.

My post was on topic, as the mechanisms the OP proposed have been discussed previously, and proposed by CCP:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5443410#post5443410 (and discussed with the CSM)

and CCP apparently still plan on implementing the idea in one form or another:

http://i.imgur.com/TAn95ZG.png (note, that is not from 27 days ago as indicated. The screenshot is a bit older than that).

As to the last bit quoted, it's good we agree.

Why (in the wrong forum) propose something that CCP has already considered in a slightly different form that will achieve the same outcome? Marsha's initial reply was perfectly on topic as was mine, which argued that what the OP proposed is not the right way and there is another proposal already on the table - all of which is perfectly on topic as any non-idiot would realise.

On the subject of PLEX and for the hard of understanding, PLEX is purchased with real money at a cost that is greater than the price of a sub; ergo every PLEX that gets consumed for game time has in fact put more money into CCPs wallet than the equivalent subscription would have.

As for the poster calling people sociopaths and the like, just stop, you look foolish.

Eve is a role playing game, hence the RPG in MMORPG, which allows greater freedoms to role play than the majority of others games; basically it allows people to explore the chaotic and lawless side of role playing in addition to the norms. Without the people who explore the "dark" side Eve would be A: boring, and B: in dire straits indeed; they write the stories, they create the risks in what many mistakenly think is, or should be, safe space, they create a goodly chunk of the demand for the products and services of the industrialists, haulers and miners etc, etc.

When people choose to follow the, often much more fun, swashbuckling or mercenary professions, in my experience it is very rarely a reflection on them in real life.

TL;DR Everywhere is for PvP, if you're in a non combatant profession you can either plan for, or around, it and not explode, or don't bother and explode.

Wow. You are a pompous ass.

Anyway, I suggest that a fundamental change allowing a player to be exempt from PvP is a bit more than a side effect. From what I read of your other posts, I believe that you agree with me.

So, what am I missing? Are you suggesting that these "social tools" are so important that people are willing to sacrifice one of the tenents of the game?