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Stop the wars !!! I want to do my own thing !!!

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#301 - 2016-08-15 21:02:54 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Morgan Agrivar wrote:

The one thing I never found out is the information you get back...when that info comes back, is it fresh intel or from when you initiated the search a few minutes earlier?


Fresh, however it matters little when the target is in a speed fitted blockade runner 23 jumps away. By the time you get there the target will be halfway across the galaxy.

The big problem is that you no longer have any idea if the person is logged on or not so you could be spending hours hunting down someone not even logged in.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#302 - 2016-08-15 21:05:18 UTC
Ok Dracvlad, have you done highsec wars before and after the change to the watch list?

I don't think you have. But let us do an experiment.

I want you to wardec my corporation (my newbro will be just fine) and I want you to actively hunt me down. I am being completely serious about this...

I want you to experience the frustration of hunting ghosts, not knowing if I am even online or not while you fly through the 5000+ starsystems trying to locate me. Once you spend a week trying (if you haven't quit Eve before then) to locate me and blow me up, then come back to this thread and tell us how you felt about it.

Seriously, wardec my corp and actually try it out.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#303 - 2016-08-15 21:05:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Free intel, you went and asked someone for it and paid a little bit of ISK, nothing that the other person can do to prevent this, there is no counter, sorry it is free intel.


Info that is out of date 1 minute after getting it.


Narrows down the search a bit, but where is the counter?

I will tell you, its to just take your main characters and leave them in a WH for a week or two or three or four, its really amusing...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#304 - 2016-08-15 21:08:39 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

Narrows down the search a bit, but where is the counter?


Doesn't need a counter, its balanced by the fact that by the time you act on the info its out of date.
Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
#305 - 2016-08-15 21:10:12 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Ok Dracvlad, have you done highsec wars before and after the change to the watch list?

I don't think you have. But let us do an experiment.

I want you to wardec my corporation (my newbro will be just fine) and I want you to actively hunt me down. I am being completely serious about this...

I want you to experience the frustration of hunting ghosts, not knowing if I am even online or not while you fly through the 5000+ starsystems trying to locate me. Once you spend a week trying (if you haven't quit Eve before then) to locate me and blow me up, then come back to this thread and tell us how you felt about it.

Seriously, wardec my corp and actually try it out.

Too much effort and chance of being proven wrong it will never happen.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#306 - 2016-08-15 21:14:01 UTC
Lex Gabinia wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Ok Dracvlad, have you done highsec wars before and after the change to the watch list?

I don't think you have. But let us do an experiment.

I want you to wardec my corporation (my newbro will be just fine) and I want you to actively hunt me down. I am being completely serious about this...

I want you to experience the frustration of hunting ghosts, not knowing if I am even online or not while you fly through the 5000+ starsystems trying to locate me. Once you spend a week trying (if you haven't quit Eve before then) to locate me and blow me up, then come back to this thread and tell us how you felt about it.

Seriously, wardec my corp and actually try it out.

Too much effort and chance of being proven wrong it will never happen.

I won't even actively hunt him at all. I will be the young fawn bounding through the forest. I won't even fly a combat ship that whole week. To him, it should be easy...

Piece of cake, right?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#307 - 2016-08-15 21:16:01 UTC
Lex Gabinia wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Ok Dracvlad, have you done highsec wars before and after the change to the watch list?

I don't think you have. But let us do an experiment.

I want you to wardec my corporation (my newbro will be just fine) and I want you to actively hunt me down. I am being completely serious about this...

I want you to experience the frustration of hunting ghosts, not knowing if I am even online or not while you fly through the 5000+ starsystems trying to locate me. Once you spend a week trying (if you haven't quit Eve before then) to locate me and blow me up, then come back to this thread and tell us how you felt about it.

Seriously, wardec my corp and actually try it out.

Too much effort and chance of being proven wrong it will never happen.

Oh but it did happen,
the op in that thread was mouthing off on the topic and was told to **** off an try it, which he did rather suprisingly.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#308 - 2016-08-15 21:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Seriously, wardec my corp and actually try it out.
Fat chance of that happening, he won't even come after me, a self declared bear that actively avoids being directly involved in non NPC ship explosions.

Admittedly my offer for him to prove his chops definitely involved a trap of some description Twisted

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#309 - 2016-08-15 21:25:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Ok Dracvlad, have you done highsec wars before and after the change to the watch list?

I don't think you have. But let us do an experiment.

I want you to wardec my corporation (my newbro will be just fine) and I want you to actively hunt me down. I am being completely serious about this...

I want you to experience the frustration of hunting ghosts, not knowing if I am even online or not while you fly through the 5000+ starsystems trying to locate me. Once you spend a week trying (if you haven't quit Eve before then) to locate me and blow me up, then come back to this thread and tell us how you felt about it.

Seriously, wardec my corp and actually try it out.


That is exactly the type of attitude that is rather silly, so I have to play how you play, no way, I get to know who I want to kill, study their movements understand their routines, get to know when they log in what their patterns are etc., I am so used to doing this in NPC 0.0. Your approach sucks, first of all if I did this in hisec I would really get to know you before I war decked you. I wouldn't be in the dark about the person I was going after. To be blunt I am not going to start up my spy account for you.

The thing is that these people have chosen to be merc's and run around blanket decking multiple targets without doing any leg work before hand and want to walk up to them and blap them, its like playing in a FPS for them. Its because they are fail easy kill merchants which is why they all go off and do blanket war decs when it gets a bit more challenging..

You fail challenge is a fail challenge, and actually proves my point, I for one would not war dec on your basis.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#310 - 2016-08-15 21:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Narrows down the search a bit, but where is the counter?


Doesn't need a counter, its balanced by the fact that by the time you act on the info its out of date.


Typical bull, if you had done your homework before hand you would know where he was likely to be and would use your locator alt to narrow down his exact location, in other words you would be poised to go after him. This is easy stuff for anyone with a brain.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#311 - 2016-08-15 21:39:25 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Narrows down the search a bit, but where is the counter?


Doesn't need a counter, its balanced by the fact that by the time you act on the info its out of date.


Typical bull, if yu had done your homework before hand you would know where he was likely to be and would use your locator alt to narrow down his exact location, in other words you would be poised to go after him. This is easy stuff for anyone with a brain.


Ok, come find me.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#312 - 2016-08-15 21:41:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Warning to anyone just arriving in the thread:

Drac is a complete wet wipe right now.

We seem to have put him on tilt and he isnt handling it very well.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#313 - 2016-08-15 21:47:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Narrows down the search a bit, but where is the counter?


Doesn't need a counter, its balanced by the fact that by the time you act on the info its out of date.


Typical bull, if yu had done your homework before hand you would know where he was likely to be and would use your locator alt to narrow down his exact location, in other words you would be poised to go after him. This is easy stuff for anyone with a brain.


Ok, come find me.


Well the question is more like would a war dec entity have bothered to have gone after someone like you before the watch list change, the answer would be no. Try harder please...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#314 - 2016-08-15 21:52:00 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

Well the question is more like would a war dec entity have bothered to have gone after someone like you before the watch list change, the answer would be no. Try harder please...


They did.

Now, how about you backing up your BS for once? Come find me.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#315 - 2016-08-15 21:57:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
I am off for some shut eye, but this challenge is part of the issue of watch lists and the easy entitlement it gave you.

Before you did not have to do much work, you just added to watch list and you knew they were on line, you saw them on line and asked your locator agent to find where. You might have an idea where he was operating from a quick look but you did no preparation. That is your issue, you are so set in terms of your reliance on free intel you cannot shift into another level.

I had already read that thread that Ralph refers to, I laughed at the time because for me it proved nothing, because he did not really get to know his target, his was playing at it.

What I did in NPC 0.0 was really get to know them and if I was to go after someone in hisec I would play by my approach of doing my homework and not your approach based on the quick fix of locator agents and watch list.

So I will repeat it, if you do not prepare the ground you will fail. And here is another reason why I would not do your challenge, the key aspect is to find something that matters to the other party, something that makes them vulnerable, if I did not find that point of weakness I would not bother to war dec. This is supposed to be a thinking game not a FPS.

So your target selection is your issue at this point, as is your failure to put effort in to get around the loss of the watch list.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#316 - 2016-08-15 21:59:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Well the question is more like would a war dec entity have bothered to have gone after someone like you before the watch list change, the answer would be no. Try harder please...


They did.

Now, how about you backing up your BS for once? Come find me.

He can't back it up because he isn't able to.

One little innocent comment by Ralph about Drac's AFK flag, free Intel proposal and Drac is having a meltdown, ranting at everyone. He has no ability to back any of it up.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
#317 - 2016-08-15 22:16:35 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
This is supposed to be a thinking game not a FPS.

So you admit the miners and haulers who complain about ganking should do a bit of thinking then?

I didn't think so.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#318 - 2016-08-15 22:30:02 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Ok Dracvlad, have you done highsec wars before and after the change to the watch list?

I don't think you have. But let us do an experiment.

I want you to wardec my corporation (my newbro will be just fine) and I want you to actively hunt me down. I am being completely serious about this...

I want you to experience the frustration of hunting ghosts, not knowing if I am even online or not while you fly through the 5000+ starsystems trying to locate me. Once you spend a week trying (if you haven't quit Eve before then) to locate me and blow me up, then come back to this thread and tell us how you felt about it.

Seriously, wardec my corp and actually try it out.


That is exactly the type of attitude that is rather silly, so I have to play how you play, no way, I get to know who I want to kill, study their movements understand their routines, get to know when they log in what their patterns are etc., I am so used to doing this in NPC 0.0. Your approach sucks, first of all if I did this in hisec I would really get to know you before I war decked you. I wouldn't be in the dark about the person I was going after. To be blunt I am not going to start up my spy account for you.

The thing is that these people have chosen to be merc's and run around blanket decking multiple targets without doing any leg work before hand and want to walk up to them and blap them, its like playing in a FPS for them. Its because they are fail easy kill merchants which is why they all go off and do blanket war decs when it gets a bit more challenging..

You fail challenge is a fail challenge, and actually proves my point, I for one would not war dec on your basis.

Fair enough, then quit complaining. And 0.0 is nothing like highsec. Cannot compare the two at all.

Don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution.
Wanda Fayne
#319 - 2016-08-15 22:52:47 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:

Don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution.


QFT

"your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic" -Lan Wang-

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Valkin Mordirc
#320 - 2016-08-15 23:25:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Dracvlad wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
No im done responding to your arguments, im just entertaining myself at this point.
I may as well given that you rearly if ever respond to what i type, rather whatever you would rather dismiss.


Well sadly you seem to have decided that the only thing you want is the totally free watch list data just like it was before. Bit disappointing that...




Ralph has never asked for free watch list data. Never.

He like many others in the Merc community have asked for Locator agents to get a rebalance.


That is free data, so locators will tell you so and so is in this station and he is online, cost you about 300k from memory or something small like that, yeah free data. No way to interdict it, nothing just the same lazy hunting as before. Even the mercs I thought had something about them turn out to be little better than the hub humpers.



250k plus 5min delay, the price/time scales down if the target is in region and further down if he is in the consolation, Plus travel time to located system. If the target you located is traveling it's completely worthless if he is mining or missioning it's entirely possible for the missioner to finish his mission on dock up with in the 5min period plus travel time. 30min cool down time for Level 4.

Let me break it down, You have One person plus a scout hunting Leroy. You place a locator agent, 5 mins 250k later you get the system name, and no station meaning he is in space. You have travel to the system which we will say is another 5mins of travel time away.

When you get to the system, you see Leroy is in system via local (Free intel), Your OOC scout, FIRST needs to check the stations, doesn't matter if there is a Mission Agent in system, you need to be sure that you know he is still out in space. You can bypass this by sending him a duel invite (Free Intel), but this will possibly spook your target, after verifying that he is space, you then check his Killboard (Free Intel) to see what he fly's and if you can narrow down what to look for. He like Caldari so you begin looking for anything Caldari related.


Scan time, plus verifying if he is docked, may cause you sitting on this one person for, let's say, 20mins. A lot of work going into finding this one particular person.

If you are in a missioning system, Like any of the SOE mission hubs, you have a lot of ships to go through, if not your in luck. Eventually you find a Leroy in a Raven. If your lucky you call in a friend to come in an interceptor to get tackle, if not you better hope that he's near by a gate. No interceptor pilot means you need to be in a fast warping ship yourself, normally a T3 with a warp speed Sub and Rigs. Making you more venerable as your ship is now two roles rather then one.


And all that before you even press F1.


Locator agents are not easy mode. They didn't need to be pushed aside. They generated Content. Finding a Corps HQ is a lot easier, making it easier one the defending corp to mount a possible defense as well.

Compared to now, were you roam randomly hoping to find someone, check mission hubs periodically and sit on pipeline and hubs catching the stupid,

Locators are not free.


EDIT:

Also whats with the whine that Ralph got some likes? Like serious? Likes are nothing I can run over to the Get Likes thread and boost my self up by 500 or more in a week and that doesn't mean anything. Just some people agree with him and sent that recognition in via a little button. I can log my other accounts onto the forum and boost myself up. 12 likes per post baby.

Just because someone's post get's a like doesn't mean anything of value to someone else.

Maybe because you see likes as a, "I find this post agreeable/funny" why does it bother you? That some people may disagree with you? That someone might have a different opinion that you and that is upsetting somehow?
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