EVE General Discussion

Ralph has never asked for free watch list data. Never.

He like many others in the Merc community have asked for Locator agents to get a rebalance.

*flicks imaginary lint from shoulder*

That is free data, so locators will tell you so and so is in this station and he is online, cost you about 300k from memory or something small like that, yeah free data. No way to interdict it, nothing just the same lazy hunting as before. Even the mercs I thought had something about them turn out to be little better than the hub humpers.

So, they can't play the game therefore the game should change? How does this make sense at all?

What you call an improvement is nothing more than catering to someone who is lazy. Yes, lazy. If one doesn't want to learn something and forces it to change drastically to accommodate them then that is a perfect example of lazy - lazy and entitled.

double post

Well I am bored talking to the other lot.

i used the watch list for keeping tabs on war dec characters and Black Ops pilots, I sometimes used locator agents to check for certain players but as I have not at this point really gone after someone I only did so out of curiosity.

The whining did not come from me and hisec players, it came from Super and Titan pilots, it was due to the break this put on the use of those ships. It had a much improved affect on those ships at this point. In terms of the impact in hisec it means that people have to put more effort in in terms of hunting people, you also have to do more work in working out your prey before hand. Is that too hard, then are you really a hunter killer?

5,000 systems means jack, most people have bases in a few areas, as I said target selection, not lazy blanket decs and then hunting in some sort of flowery way, you have to work for it. Just too many lazy people...

Since the watch list changes I find it rather amusing just going about my business in the last war dec knowing that as long as I kept away from the pipes, hubs and main mission hubs I was safe. I set up for a visit, as I use my main on the forums some people might get annoyed enough to have a go, but only one tried and it was fairly easy to deal with.

If some of you want easy to locate combat go play a FPS...

The most detrimental thing to occur with the removal of the watch list was the highsec mercs stop being highsec mercs and became massive wardec alliances to keep their pilots happy. But in turn, that has the highsec carebear population up in a roar, not really understanding what is going on and why they are being targeted so often.

Case in point, I have a pilot that I have taken under my wing. He is relatively new and is enjoying the industrial side with manufacturing and mining with the occasional mission run here and there. He is in a small corporation (8-12 pilots total...maybe 5-7 active pilots) and they had no issues with wardecs. Within the space of four days, three of the highsec merc alliances had declared war on them.

Now, to show your point, he never saw one since he lived and operated out of the way of where they were active but a couple of their pilots had got caught by them, since they needed to head to certain areas.

Basically what you are insinuating is that if you stay in your own pocket and don't come out, you are safe. That is not Eve, sir.

Info that is out of date 1 minute after getting it.

The one thing I never found out is the information you get back...when that info comes back, is it fresh intel or from when you initiated the search a few minutes earlier?

It takes time, effort and payment. There is nothing the other player can do to counter it. However it is far from perfect information as well. There is no guarantee that the person will be at the given location once you get there. So someone will spend more time going to the location only to find their target gone. Time and effort are the price for this tool.

As to a counter, does everything in this game have a counter? No. If a target docks up or logs off during the war I paid for how do I counter this? There is no mechanic for me to force an undock or log in.

The simple fact is that it is not free and no valid argument can be made that is.