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Stop the wars !!! I want to do my own thing !!!

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#241 - 2016-08-13 08:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Solecist Project wrote:
You really just prove my point.
If you weren't so easily baitable and predictable, you would have chuckled and skipped it...

You and Jenn have a lot in common. :)


Not so much, I only say what I have done in game when challenged, but that makes me the same as that other windbag, well if you say so. But in these forums one has to give as good as you get and I judged your comment as attacking me and not what I said on the subject matter, then you try to say its is me being childish for being humorous, though I did appreciate you calling a'Snide out like that. Anyway if people are rude and offensive to me I give it back.

The top sentence in my reply was aimed at Shae who was being especially childish.

EDIT: Point taken on your reply, sometimes I am a bit too combative, I will try to do better.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Solecist Project
#242 - 2016-08-13 08:57:34 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
You really just prove my point.
If you weren't so easily baitable and predictable, you would have chuckled and skipped it...

You and Jenn have a lot in common. :)


Not so much, I only say what I have done in game when challenged, but that makes me the same as that other windbag, well if you say so. But in these forums one has to give as good as you get and I judged your comment as attacking me and not what I said on the subject matter, then you try to say its is me being childish for being humorous, though I did appreciate you calling a'Snide out like that. Anyway if people are rude and offensive to me I give it back.

The top sentence in my reply was aimed at Shae who was being especially childish.

Now you only need to realize when you're the one who starts being rude and all is well again.
Yeah you do that.

Anyhow, enough derailment. It's an old habit i need to get rid of.

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Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#243 - 2016-08-13 09:32:02 UTC
This thread needs a comforting hug. Badly...
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#244 - 2016-08-13 11:15:25 UTC
I never understood why someone would want to declare war on someone else..... terrible people!

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#245 - 2016-08-13 11:48:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Dracvlad wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
No point flogging a dead horse so I flogged it in another way

Yes, but it would be better if you just do that in private instead of all over the forum.

That would clash with his need to expose his ego and how knowledgable he is.


...obviously you ... do not understand such words going towards your own inadequacies instead.

To react like that suggests you knew the alternate meaning of what I quoted, which itself implies I understood what I wrote.

As usual, you are self evidently wrong.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#246 - 2016-08-13 12:00:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Tora Bushido wrote:
I never understood why someone would want to declare war on someone else..... terrible people!


Or perhaps it is we never understand why people declare war on someone and don't do anything, silly people...

Actually more important is people who fail to do any analysis of their prey before declaring war, so they then find absoultely nothing to shoot....

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#247 - 2016-08-13 22:34:18 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
I never understood why someone would want to declare war on someone else..... terrible people!


Or perhaps it is we never understand why people declare war on someone and don't do anything, silly people...

Actually more important is people who fail to do any analysis of their prey before declaring war, so they then find absoultely nothing to shoot....

Yeah I learned that the hard way.

Make sure they are active before you declare war on a corp. Oops
Bishop Bob
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#248 - 2016-08-13 22:49:50 UTC
Dave Day wrote:
....I think it would be a great idea if CCP allowed corps who have no interest in pvp to ...?


Only if you don't get any of the advantages of playing against other players, so no market, mails, chat or contracts from anyone outside the community that wants to be excluded from PvP, either. You will have to do EVERYTHING yourself, you can't choose to get the benefits without the disadvantages,
Natural CloneKiller
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#249 - 2016-08-15 08:30:49 UTC
The day ccp stops people from going to war is the day we become worse than wow.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#250 - 2016-08-15 09:15:59 UTC
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
The day ccp stops people from going to war is the day we become worse than wow.


That is just not going to happen, the mechanics are fairly good but need some adjustment, I have proposed some changes which would improve the situation a bit because in my vie wthe war dec mechanism is not that bad, its how the player base has evolved.

1. Work out something to limit the time that an entity can be war decked, perma war decs on small indy corps are just meh, I don't care about perma decks on 0.0 entities however.

2. Reduced the cost or war decks and get rid of this stupid amount on large alliances

3. Make it so that if a character joins another character owned corp the war follows them for 7 days after they have left the war decked corp.

4. Go with my idea on the OS for watch list functionality on a constellation, when operational it can be blown up. The idea is to give a target for the defender to hit that has real strategic value and put a bit more skin in the game for the attackers.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Natural CloneKiller
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#251 - 2016-08-15 09:41:21 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
The day ccp stops people from going to war is the day we become worse than wow.


That is just not going to happen, the mechanics are fairly good but need some adjustment, I have proposed some changes which would improve the situation a bit because in my vie wthe war dec mechanism is not that bad, its how the player base has evolved.

1. Work out something to limit the time that an entity can be war decked, perma war decs on small indy corps are just meh, I don't care about perma decks on 0.0 entities however.

2. Reduced the cost or war decks and get rid of this stupid amount on large alliances

3. Make it so that if a character joins another character owned corp the war follows them for 7 days after they have left the war decked corp.

4. Go with my idea on the OS for watch list functionality on a constellation, when operational it can be blown up. The idea is to give a target for the defender to hit that has real strategic value and put a bit more skin in the game for the attackers.



1. Small indy corps can get help or they can learn how to fight back. This is eve and the beauty of eve is it is a pvp world weather you like it or not. To take that away takes the foundations out of the game. Yes there are ways to get rid of decs like dropping corp but the bottom line is no space is safe space.

2. Sure I'll go with that but I think the cost is about right. We spend billions each week on wars and there should be a cost to this. We need to make sure there is an income source to pay for this.

3. Agree. But hard to code I think as dropping into neutral corp first then joining would avoid that.

4. I like the new changes to the watch list. In my view get rid of local all together. Make it more realistic! Not sure of your idea but I'll have a read when I have more time.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#252 - 2016-08-15 10:39:31 UTC
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
The day ccp stops people from going to war is the day we become worse than wow.


That is just not going to happen, the mechanics are fairly good but need some adjustment, I have proposed some changes which would improve the situation a bit because in my vie wthe war dec mechanism is not that bad, its how the player base has evolved.

1. Work out something to limit the time that an entity can be war decked, perma war decs on small indy corps are just meh, I don't care about perma decks on 0.0 entities however.

2. Reduced the cost or war decks and get rid of this stupid amount on large alliances

3. Make it so that if a character joins another character owned corp the war follows them for 7 days after they have left the war decked corp.

4. Go with my idea on the OS for watch list functionality on a constellation, when operational it can be blown up. The idea is to give a target for the defender to hit that has real strategic value and put a bit more skin in the game for the attackers.



1. Small indy corps can get help or they can learn how to fight back. This is eve and the beauty of eve is it is a pvp world weather you like it or not. To take that away takes the foundations out of the game. Yes there are ways to get rid of decs like dropping corp but the bottom line is no space is safe space.

2. Sure I'll go with that but I think the cost is about right. We spend billions each week on wars and there should be a cost to this. We need to make sure there is an income source to pay for this.

3. Agree. But hard to code I think as dropping into neutral corp first then joining would avoid that.

4. I like the new changes to the watch list. In my view get rid of local all together. Make it more realistic! Not sure of your idea but I'll have a read when I have more time.


Item 4. links to 1., you have to get a mentality to fight back, back into hisec, this is a suggestion to create something that those who want to shoot can at least cause some sort of impact from it, from that point maybe something will develop in terms of 1.

But if it is chasing GTFO ships or meeting one of your bimg and neutral RR fleets they will not bother.

But to keep that corp war decked is just going to kill them and make some leave the game, you cannot ignore that impact, though in truth I noted that the majority of your better kills are on 0.0 alliances.

2. The issue is that cost increase pushed it towards bigger entities and caused a stagnation.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#253 - 2016-08-15 13:07:23 UTC
No.

I can explain why, but its a waste of time.

HTFU
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#254 - 2016-08-15 13:46:47 UTC
Faylee Freir wrote:
No.

I can explain why, but its a waste of time.


Well that was most un-enlightening. Do you think it is not worth doing because hisec carebears are too far gone, do you think that limiting the number of people who you can blanket war dec and hope they go through the pipes will diminish your ability to get a few kills. In any case most of your meaningful kills are from 0.0 alliances.

I will be pushing the OS structure with the CSM, because it is key intel which you should not get on a plate like it was before, but you have to earn it and it has to cost you something. CCP will be using an OS to give local data in 0.0, just so you are aware of where this is going.

You want that intel you should have to defend the assets that give it to you.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#255 - 2016-08-15 13:54:59 UTC
no because he can see going round and round the merry go round with you is a waste of time.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#256 - 2016-08-15 14:02:51 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
no because he can see going round and round the merry go round with you is a waste of time.


Well from my prespective this is because you lot like to run around without a care in the world blapping stuff, I bet part of the reason they don't like it is that they will end up with some red on the killboard and people can cause them some inconvenience back.

Of course you don't like it, but you should not get free intel like the watch list without effort or risk. And the very act of doing this might develop a different attitude in hisec towards war decs.

But easier to attack the messenger rather than the idea. CCP is using the same mechanicsm for local in null sec going forward and that is a good thing.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#257 - 2016-08-15 14:23:46 UTC
well from anyone elses its because you are going to have whatever damn conversation you want,
regardless of what any of us type.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#258 - 2016-08-15 14:35:14 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
well from anyone elses its because you are going to have whatever damn conversation you want,
regardless of what any of us type.


That is because I am looking for feed back other than I don't like it as it is fail harden up you damn carebear, or I don't like you so I will suggest you are on meds type rubbish which is the norm for the Eve forums.

In all the time I have floated this idea I have had not one single good reason why it is a bad idea, I even got some good feed back from Shae on making it less vulnerable which is why I suggested that it be vulnerable when active. So when you have finished your hard days mission baiting or roaming hunting you can send in an alt or use your main and turn the beauty off and it will be there for you the next day all safe and sound.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#259 - 2016-08-15 14:43:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#260 - 2016-08-15 14:54:06 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous.


That is so pathetic

So what this person who does not PvP is saying to you mighty mercs is that you are unable to baby sit an OS against the PvP might of the dreaded carebear, I did not know you were so bad at Eve. ShockedRoll

Lets give them watch list intel for free, lets give them locator intel free, lets tell them the fits that their enemies have and give them a warp in while we are at it, all for free after all they cannot be expected to put any effort in. Lol

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp