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Stop the wars !!! I want to do my own thing !!!

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#201 - 2016-08-12 15:55:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


You keep on saying this but have yet to explain how you squeeze a 1 million m3 package of freight containers through a 60k m3 hold.


62.5k hold at level 5.

You are diverting attention from the basic mechanic issue.


I'm pointing out that glaring hole in your argument.


Simply because most people don't use them...


That's their choice. Tools are already there.


There are certain reasons around the algorithm that decides what drops, meaning that it is often better for the ganker in terms of expensive items dropping if you use cans.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#202 - 2016-08-12 15:57:34 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Can I sigh now....? Roll

no because
Quote:
the stupid cost to war dec the Goons gets right up my nose and was the main reason why we have blanket war decs from larger war dec entities.

you just pulled that out of your arse.



Bit smelly then, well a number of war dec players said that, because it was the only way they could afford these very large war dec fees. It also seems that some war dec entities are created around some very rich backers. I guess that came out of my arse too...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Maekchu
Doomheim
#203 - 2016-08-12 15:58:12 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
If you read anything I wrote on this you will find that I want the war dec fees reduced, the stupid cost to war dec the Goons gets right up my nose and was the main reason why we have blanket war decs from larger war dec entities. I want that the war dec follows a character if he joins another player corp within the 7 days of leaving. On the other side I want something to balance off against perpetual war decs. I also want a OS that will give watch list functionality in a constellation which is vulnerable when active.

Can I sigh now....? Roll

Sorry for not stalking you around, having read all your posts, having knowledge of your political views and perverse tendencies.

Is it normal in your view, for other people to know exactly all of the details surrounding an internet persona? If you've posted it in this thread, then I can just say that I haven't read the whole thread through thoroughly, nor would I remember your specific view in a topic. While I know you do lurk around these forums a lot, I honestly don't find you interesting enough a character that I would note down in detail all your views and notions on game balance.

Yes, you can sigh now, if it somehow makes you feel better.

I just responded to part of your post. Cause it reminded me of the thousand complaints I have heard about wardec balance and how unfair it is to the defender. While in reality, it is quite the opposite.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#204 - 2016-08-12 16:01:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Jenn aSide wrote:
As in life, so in EVE. The Irony of CCP making EVE more 'accessible' and 'user friendly' and 'easy to learn, hard to master' is a less popular game than it was when it just gave you a space ship, a bad "non-tutorial" and told you to go **** yourself.
Ahh the good old days, eloquently summed up as:

CCP Soundwave wrote:
Welcome to Eve Online. Here’s your Rubik’s Cube. Go frak* yourself.


*keeping it clean Twisted

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#205 - 2016-08-12 16:08:07 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


There are certain reasons around the algorithm that decides what drops, meaning that it is often better for the ganker in terms of expensive items dropping if you use cans.



[Citation needed]

Also still wondering how 1M cargo fits into a single DST, containers or no.





There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#206 - 2016-08-12 16:11:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Maekchu wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
If you read anything I wrote on this you will find that I want the war dec fees reduced, the stupid cost to war dec the Goons gets right up my nose and was the main reason why we have blanket war decs from larger war dec entities. I want that the war dec follows a character if he joins another player corp within the 7 days of leaving. On the other side I want something to balance off against perpetual war decs. I also want a OS that will give watch list functionality in a constellation which is vulnerable when active.

Can I sigh now....? Roll

Sorry for not stalking you around, having read all your posts, having knowledge of your political views and perverse tendencies.

Is it normal in your view, for other people to know exactly all of the details surrounding an internet persona? If you've posted it in this thread, then I can just say that I haven't read the whole thread through thoroughly, nor would I remember your specific view in a topic. While I know you do lurk around these forums a lot, I honestly don't find you interesting enough a character that I would note down in detail all your views and notions on game balance.

Yes, you can sigh now, if it somehow makes you feel better.

I just responded to part of your post. Cause it reminded me of the thousand complaints I have heard about wardec balance and how unfair it is to the defender. While in reality, it is quite the opposite.


Well you have replied to me a few times and I have said that multiple times, but what ho. And by the way I have not accused you of doing a Jonah.

The game is about balance so it is interesting to play, one cannot simply ignore the other persons point of view when looking at game balance, I went out of my way to understand Dirty Forum Alts point of view because he showed me something more in terms of his posts,, same thing with a couple of other war dec players. But I am happy to have shown you that this player (me) who is accused of wanting 100% security in hisec by people like Jonah is nothing of the sort. Big smile

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#207 - 2016-08-12 16:14:43 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Can I sigh now....? Roll

no because
Quote:
the stupid cost to war dec the Goons gets right up my nose and was the main reason why we have blanket war decs from larger war dec entities.

you just pulled that out of your arse.



Bit smelly then, well a number of war dec players said that, because it was the only way they could afford these very large war dec fees. It also seems that some war dec entities are created around some very rich backers. I guess that came out of my arse too...

dec fees increased , merc entities formed

watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi.

those are two different things that happend years apart from one another drac.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#208 - 2016-08-12 16:16:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
Well you have replied to me a few times and I have said that multiple times, but what ho. And by the way I have not accused you of doing a Jonah.

The game is about balance so it is interesting to play, one cannot simply ignore the other persons point of view when looking at game balance, I went out of my way to understand Dirty Forum Alts point of view because he showed me something more in terms of his posts,, same thing with a couple of other war dec players. But I am happy to have shown you that this player (me) who is accused of wanting 100% security in hisec by people like Jonah is nothing of the sort. Big smile


Regularly accuses me of being his own personal stalker, has an unhealthy obsession with me Roll

Ignoring the other players point of view is something you're pretty accomplished at by the way, you regularly do exactly that to people who manage to remain safe through their own efforts.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#209 - 2016-08-12 16:17:10 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


There are certain reasons around the algorithm that decides what drops, meaning that it is often better for the ganker in terms of expensive items dropping if you use cans.



[Citation needed]

Also still wondering how 1M cargo fits into a single DST, containers or no.



Why? I am not giving that to you, do your own analysis.

That's because it does not fit into a single DST, its fairly simple, alt scoops to DST, freighter pilots scoops out of DST, rinse and repeat.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#210 - 2016-08-12 16:18:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Can I sigh now....? Roll

no because
Quote:
the stupid cost to war dec the Goons gets right up my nose and was the main reason why we have blanket war decs from larger war dec entities.

you just pulled that out of your arse.



Bit smelly then, well a number of war dec players said that, because it was the only way they could afford these very large war dec fees. It also seems that some war dec entities are created around some very rich backers. I guess that came out of my arse too...

dec fees increased , merc entities formed

watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi.

those are two different things that happend years apart from one another drac.


Mass decking was happening before the watch list was removed. You keep saying that because its your selling point to get the watch list back.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#211 - 2016-08-12 16:27:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Giaus Felix
Dracvlad wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Bit smelly then, well a number of war dec players said that, because it was the only way they could afford these very large war dec fees. It also seems that some war dec entities are created around some very rich backers. I guess that came out of my arse too...

dec fees increased , merc entities formed

watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi.

those are two different things that happend years apart from one another drac.


Mass decking was happening before the watch list was removed.
Nobody is denying that mass deccing occurred before the watchlist changes, but there were other options.

Now they're pretty much the only option, hence the use of the word "becomes".

I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#212 - 2016-08-12 16:27:27 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

dec fees increased , merc entities formed

watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi.

those are two different things that happend years apart from one another drac.


Mass decking was happening before the watch list was removed.

no ****, read what i actually typed rather than what you want to dismiss
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#213 - 2016-08-12 16:30:41 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

dec fees increased , merc entities formed

watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi.

those are two different things that happend years apart from one another drac.


Mass decking was happening before the watch list was removed.

no ****, read what i actually typed rather than what you want to dismiss


I disagree it was the main mode of operation before the watch list change and it happened because of the war dec fees being increased. That is my opinion, you have a different opinion. I was actually keeping a fairly close watch on war dec entities for the last 5 years because I was debating trying it out.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#214 - 2016-08-12 16:31:04 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

There are certain reasons around the algorithm that decides what drops, meaning that it is often better for the ganker in terms of expensive items dropping if you use cans.


Its more likely they will earn isk if you have a 50% drop rate on 100 items than just one.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#215 - 2016-08-12 16:34:09 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
I don't want your stuff. Can I have your SP instead, please?

Can you share?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#216 - 2016-08-12 16:34:38 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

That's because it does not fit into a single DST, its fairly simple, alt scoops to DST, freighter pilots scoops out of DST, rinse and repeat.


1 million still does not go into 60k.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#217 - 2016-08-12 16:36:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

That's because it does not fit into a single DST, its fairly simple, alt scoops to DST, freighter pilots scoops out of DST, rinse and repeat.


1 million still does not go into 60k.


And I repeat most people do not use them.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#218 - 2016-08-12 16:38:06 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

And I repeat most people do not use them.


Then thats their fault.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#219 - 2016-08-12 16:41:25 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

dec fees increased , merc entities formed

watchlist went away, mass-decking becomes the modus operandi.


This is an example of "they didn't think it through".

People have all sorts of ideas about stuff (even the DEVs), and they think it's a brilliant idea. Then that idea comes into contact with reality and does the exact opposite of what was intended.

I remember the old pos based sov system everyone hated. Some of us predicted that Dominion's sov system would be a disaster, we were shouted down by the crowd that said "you just want to keep your advantages, you are scared of the idea of small entities being compettive in null sec!!".

Result: The BLUE DONUT that was several times WORSE for small entities than the old sov. Those small group guys sure showed us....as they sold themselves into rental slavery just to stay in null sec LOL.

Same with the Barge changes. "But more EHP will mean the gankers will have a harder time!!!"

Result: WAY more ganking.

"YEA! low slots for my Freighter! Eat it CODE"

Result: "WTF you mean the ganked my empty freighter? WTF?

They just don't get it. You cannot "legislate away" you enemies by lobbying CCP for changes. Enemies ADAPT and many times, the changes you think are going to help you end up SCREWING you. Hell, the 'bad guys' love a challenge.
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#220 - 2016-08-12 16:48:18 UTC
Yay! I'm finally with Jenn again! Agree with it entirely. You go girl!

I also want to fully support the idea that lobbying CCP to change minor play points is problematic for the game.

Miners and haulers have the capacity to defend themselves right now, avail yourself of those options and stop trying to maximize your ISK haul at the expense of the game itself. It's counter productive.

HiSec is not intended to make ISK at the rate you can in Lo or Null.

Put up with the occasional gank or fly with escort. Suck it up and play EVE.

I'm with Ralph KG as well, they need to bring back some semblance of the watchlist to make Merc play style valid and do away with the mass War Decs.