EVE General Discussion

Well if you get past all the emo stuff produced by both sides, most notably the Gankers who immediately classify anyone who talks about balance as being against ganking.

Ganking should exist in this game period, it is a totally valid game play and creates content, the key aspect is not to let it get unbalanced or that mechanics are such that people feel that CCP have just left them to be taken advantage of.

My attitude is to propose adjustments in consequences, the most important is locking gankers out of NPC stations in hisec once -10. There are Citadels now so they still have a base.

The bumping mechanic needs to be adjusted ASAP, leaving people being bumped for hours is not great.

The loot scoping mechanic needs to be adjusted, the gankers avoid consequences by the use of a alt in a noob ship scooping to a DST and then the freighter pilot scooping into his hold from the DST.

That would make it less of a free ride, make it harder. But I get told that I want to block ganking by making it impossible, well nope, that is more skin in the game for them.

Does that help?

Please explain how pointing out that it is entirely possible to safely PvE in Eve, without falling victim to the people that you disparage as "griefers", by taking responsibility for your own safety and using the game mechanics to your advantage, is toxic.

Campaigning for increased safety for those that can't be arsed to put in any effort, when the game is already ridiculously safe for those that do, erodes one of the cornerstones of the game. That is both anathema to the nature of the game and makes the efforts of those that do put in the effort worthless.

You constantly appear to be advocating for changes that are the equivalent of a nanny state, which erodes personal choice and responsibility.

I would suggest that you educate the people you claim to want to nurture and protect from the depredations of others, the problem is that the majority of them don't want to listen or follow the advice that you may give, because it involves the expenditure of effort.

It's almost like a relationship where one party tries to mould the other into something else, and then buggers off when the other party changes because the relationship is now boring.

Please, do answer his question.

I've honestly tried to put up with the anti-social game design and players who insist on anti-social behavior. I've put up with senseless gankings, been scammed a few times, sat docked while war decs ticked down, stayed logged off for weeks while war dec corps insisted on prolonging war decs even when they didn't get any kills and have done my best to fit in with the game due to my love for the game potential.

In the process I've paid subscriptions on three accounts until I have accumulated a total of nearly 100m of skill points on my three alts. I've also tried to enjoy the aspects of the game that work for me while ignoring the scamming, ganking and general anti social behavior.

But the time has come for me to give up. The potential of enjoyment has finally dried up to the point where I simply don't log in any longer. All but one of my accounts have expired and been left that way. This last account was paid up until November, but I shan't be logging into it. Frankly I've not played on this account since last December.

I've tried in the past to make suggestions that would allow me to continue. I've tried to find ways to co-exist with the average Eve players. But all said and done, I've given up and will not be adding funds to the CCP coffers in the future. Instead I've switched over to another game and have made substantial investments (time and money) into that game over the last few months.

And you know what the odd things is to me? If CCP had done like so many other games have done and created a PvE server to allow members the choice of game style, I (and dozens of other ex players I've met) would continue enjoying the game far into the future. But they have refused to do so and the result is a gradually diminishing player community.

Who knows? Perhaps CCP will give it a try some day and perhaps I'll return if the option of PvE gameplay is enabled. But until then, I've given up.

Forced PvP is not the way I choose to play Eve so I will no longer try to play Eve.

Why would a developer that produces a game that is advertised as a PvP sandbox set up a PvE server for the same game?

That said, there is the test server if you want to PvE in peace, it's somewhat pointless though as there is no PvP to drive the market and everything is preseeded.

PvE play is already enabled, despite Eve being a primarily PvP game it is possible to PvE in almost complete safety; interestingly enough >90% of the results of PvE end up on the market, which is very much a PvP environment.

It's not forced at all, Eve is a PvP game and advertised as such.

That's their choice. Tools are already there.

Even though it will make no difference, I'm going to put out a disclaimer anyways: I'm not trying to hurt your feelings here, I'm simply posting what I see as the truth.

With that out of the way, here goes. You didn't belong in EVE to begin with. you very 1st paragraph demonstrates that:

Problem #1, the word potential. like many who dislike EVE, you didn't play the game because you liked what it was, you played it because it had 'potential' to be something you might like in the future. I say this not as an insult but because it's the only word that fits, That's stupid.

Problem #2. Like ALL who don't get on well in EVE, you don't have a sense of personal responsibility. You've been ganked and scammed multiple times, and sat docked or even logged off because of War Decs? I've been playing since 2007 and I can count the ganks (of 2 shuttles and 1 pod) and scamms (paid 100 mil for a haulers) on one hand and have fingers left over. This is because I came into the game KNOWING people were out to get me so my gameplay revolves around not getting got, and I've succeeded. That you haven't means that you don't have the ability to learn how.

That is not the game's fault. That is yours. You should have never made the choice to play EVE in the 1st place, and I doubt you will ever accept this conclusion because it takes a responsible person to acknowledge their mistakes. You'd be better off in one of the many many Nanny State themepark offerings the games industry has to offer. Nothing wrong with that, but again it would have served you better it's you'd not wasted your time with EVE.

Good luck in your future endeavors.

I never understood, why some of you feel wardecs are unbalanced.

If anything, the wardecs are unbalanced in favor of the defender. The aggressor pays all the fees and both sides can shoot each with no concord intervention. In addition to that, the defender can just leave corp whenever they please and dodge the wardec.

Yes, the wardec system needs a fix. But the fix should address the issue of dodging wardecs. Nothing related to increasing safety for the defender, since you can't really get more safe than in it's current iteration, when you instantly can just dodge the dec by leaving the corp.

Heh... was about to point out the same.

So basically, we should put up a PvE server so people can become even more anti-social, cause anti-social game design is a problem? What?

no because

you just pulled that out of your arse.