EVE General Discussion

Well.....kinda.

I do accept that wars are part of Eve. A very important part. But i'd like to make a suggestion on behalf of those of who just aren't into pvp. I hope that the reaction of the community will be a considered response and not just the usual "learn to fight" and "can I have your stuff". I've been around since just after launch in 2003. 13 years (without taking a break) and I hope the community will allow me a voice.

As I said, not everyone is into pvp. I still have the original game CD box on my shelf, which says I can "be anything I want to be". Well, what I want is to be left in peace to build my stuff and mine my ore with my friends. The current game mechanics simply won't allow that.

So what do I want then? Well, i'd like to be excluded from wardecs. Please read on before you hit the flame button:

I think it would be a great idea if CCP allowed corps who have no interest in pvp to sign into an opt out clause, which carries penalties for that corp. For instance, they can't build any structures (it's only fair that structures are vulnerable). They can't declare war. They pay additional taxes to buy and sell on the market and additional manufacturing costs. They suffer a mining penalty, perhaps even a general penalty to all aspects of their ships stats. They get lower mission rewards, etc etc. and they are of course as vulnerable as anyone else in low and null sec.

In short, they are disadvantaged. They must pay the price of peace.

I know....go join an NPC corp then. But as we all know the purpose of a corp is to have that small space in the game shared with you and your buddies. Concord already effectively takes bribes (the wardec fees) to turn a blind eye to aggression. Surely it wouldn't be taking it out of character if it charged "protection money" to those who don't want to fight?

If you're into fighting there are plenty of players willing to give you a fight. But I see many people who just want to mine and chat or build and sell things who quickly realise that they just aren't going to be allowed to do that in a casual, peaceful corp. So they play for a month or so and quit. In a time of falling subscriptions I wonder if it would be so harmful for CCP to finally consider those who don't consider their time in Eve to be solely fighting?

I wonder if the community has a view on my suggestion?

If you don't wanna get war dec'd don't form a corp, pretty simple.

I recently returned to EVE after several years away. I have mostly been playing solo PvE (L4 missions, Scope Network events, etc.) and began to search for a highsec corp to join so I could learn more, make friends, etc. I may want to PvP in the future, but for now I wanted to keep to PvE, including incursions.

What I have found is that every time I look for a highsec corp, it's usually in the middle of being wardec'ed ceaselessly by merc corps that simply throw 50mil ISK out there and wardec random corps by the dozen. This means that if I want to stay in a player corp, I can't do incursions, I can't do Scope Network or missions with my expensive ships (I know, don't fly what you can't afford to lose--but I'm not wealthy, I can't afford to replace a billion ISK ships over and over). I have to either quit the corp or sit in the dock for a week, and hope we don't get wardec'ed again by some other random corp the next day.

I don't think I'm burying my head in the sand here; I know that PvP is a large part of EVE. But when it's so easy to force PvP on the players who are attempting to do PvE, then that's the kind of mechanic that makes "carebears" want to spend their time in another game that better protects their interests.

I don't know what the solution is. My best thought is that it should cost more than 50mil to wardec, and the price should increase with each simultaneous wardec, so that corps can't just wardec 30 random corps and then sit back and shoot the targets passing through Jita, etc.

Sweet Hastur... OP are you actually serious?
Things are better and safer for PVE players now than they have ever been before.

I don't actually know how to respond to this articulately after the recent castration of war corps that actively hunt their targets.
Well, without spitting teeth at the screen, that is.

No more nerfs. Get back under your bridge, troll.

With respect OMG



I totally get that, I do, but your being a bit selfish in forcing everyone who plays to play your way. Re read what the box says.
YOU CAN BE ANYTHING. ( bad guy or s miner.) What game did you think you were playing. - this is not runescape.

This IS what makes eve fun, a bit of danger and thrill not a mind dead game that you can just dwell out from.. play, get ship, die, get new ship. no problem


CCP: Don't let EVE become another Chinese grind fest MMO where you pay to play to be the best with the most. The internet is full of them and they are a dime a dozen.

There has been enough gentrification of EVE already, thanks, but no.

Also F&I is that way --> .

My first response is that your suggested change makes the game not be the game it is. (Bad grammar I know). The game is not safe and was never to be safe and it has been so since the beginning. If WoW or LOTRO or pick whatever suddenly changed to allow PvP everywhere it would make the game not be the game it is.

As to protection money and relating it to in-game lore, it is much easier to ignore something happening than prevent something happening. Rival groups fight all the time over "protected" territories.

Well, why do you get to be the coddled industrialist if I can't be the mercenary who hunts you down? After all, the box says I can be whatever I want to be.

The solution was not to change things like CCP did....but they did it anyways, so too bad.

Dammit double post.