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FEDERAL DEFENSE UNION LP STORE What do i buy ?
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Godlike Creator
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-07-20 22:15:35 UTC
Greetings.
I played Eve about 1-2 years ago and i still have 135.000 LP on my character. Is there anybody who could help me find the best thing to buy from Federal Defense Union using my LP ? i did try to google it, but mostly i got some 5-6 y.o. crap. I did run some price checks on Jita but there's a problem. I have no idea what's relevant and what is not. So please help me ppl.
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2016-07-20 22:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
It constantly changes based on the ebb and flow of the economy. This site is a great guide, pay attention to the volume, it is very important although not very obvious in your choice of what to sell.

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Godlike Creator
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-07-20 22:20:28 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
It constantly changes, based on the ebb and flow of the economy. This site is a great guide, pay attention to the volume, it is very important although not very obvious in your choice of what to sell.


exactly. i checked the prices there too. but as i said there is a problem. since im (lets be honest) a new player here i have no idea what shd i buy. even tho the LP/isk for the item could be high, it still can be just some crap no one buys. which is why im looking for help sir =)
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#4 - 2016-07-20 22:25:44 UTC
In general you are going to have to do your own research per item.

Eve markets.net and eve-mogul have tools to check the market history, not just the current prices. So you can check the volume per item.

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Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2016-07-20 22:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Right so you need to let the column I mentioned guide you, that indicates how many orders there are at the price listed. So put in the starting parameters and when the list comes up sort it by the lp/isk column, then scroll down the list to look for things that have larger numbers in the 5% volume column. Just off a glance it looks like you could make some isk off of Federation Navy Tungsten Charge M and assuming you have the tags Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, this is assuming you want to put up buy orders and wait for them to sell. If you want to liquidate so can get the isk as fast as you can, you choose the buy price button and then it looks like you can make some quick isk off Maulus Navy Issue or Federation Navy Comet however, those are both rather large in shipping volume so keep that in mind as well.

The system ins't perfect and there may be some trial and error but once you get used to the market trends it becomes considerably easier.

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Godlike Creator
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-07-20 22:30:22 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Right so you need to let the column I mentioned guide you, that indicates how many orders there are at the price listed. So put in the starting parameters and when the list comes up sort it by the lp/isk column, then scroll down the list to look for things that have larger numbers in the 5% volume column. Just off a glance it looks like you could make some isk off of Federation Navy Tungsten Charge M and assuming you have the tags Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, this is assuming you want to put up buy orders and wait for them to sell. If you want to liquidate so can get the isk as fast as you can, you choose the buy price button and then it looks like you can make some quick isk off Maulus Navy Issue or Federation Navy Comet however, those are both rather large in shipping volume so keep that in mind as well.

The system ins't perfect and there may be some trial and error but once you get used to the market trends it becomes considerably easier.


thx !
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-07-20 22:33:18 UTC
Anything you choose with at least moderate volume will sell eventually in jita.

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Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2016-07-20 22:43:18 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Anything you choose with at least moderate volume will sell eventually in jita.

And if you do go to Jita to put up buy orders, don't try to undercut with the idea that it will sell faster, that doesn't work in such a high volume/competition area such as Jita or any tradehub really, just put it at or slightly below the lowest price and be patient.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-07-20 22:45:16 UTC
eve-central.com is the best way to figure out volumes and average prices across all of new eden.

unfortunately the site is unable to list orders made in citadels at the moment, hopefully that might become a reality at some point with some better CREST integration.

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Godlike Creator
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-07-20 23:19:55 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:
Anything you choose with at least moderate volume will sell eventually in jita.

And if you do go to Jita to put up buy orders, don't try to undercut with the idea that it will sell faster, that doesn't work in such a high volume/competition area such as Jita or any tradehub really, just put it at or slightly below the lowest price and be patient.


well i have around 100kk ISK on my character and around 135k LP. since that's not enough to buy PLEx i think im going to find the fastest way to convert my LP and transfer all my ISK on a new account. since this is a forum for newB guys like me can we continue our discussion? back then i played about a month and all i did = i was farming lp making it into ISK. even got 1 plex. but now i'd like to go full ''industrial'' mode. also since you have 10k likes i believe you spend a lot of your time here and since you do, you most likely know a lot about this game. so if i may i'd like to ask you : any ''insights'' about industry specialization ? will i be able to make 1 plex / 14 days (21 if i find good corp) with lets say 100kk (in case i wont be able to convert my 135k lp in 4 hours) as my starting capital?
Paranoid Loyd
#11 - 2016-07-20 23:24:36 UTC
Sounds like you are on the right track. However I don't condone grinding for plex. It tends to burn you out. My strategy if I were you would be to make some friends in the federation and find a corp where you will have some friends to call out to your complexes if you start attracting attention while you farm. You can easily farm a plex worth out of FW if you have any level of protection.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Godlike Creator
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-07-20 23:38:00 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Sounds like you are on the right track. However I don't condone grinding for plex. It tends to burn you out. My strategy if I were you would be to make some friends in the federation and find a corp where you will have some friends to call out to your complexes if you start attracting attention while you farm. You can easily farm a plex worth out of FW if you have any level of protection.


the thing is i always wanted to focus on manufacturing / making ships. (from blueprints and stff). the plan is simple tbh. i find a good corp. stick with them. make them ships. and make a name some ppl might recognize / trust and make even more ships. but im not sure how to find the right corp. i haven't really played a lot, so i dont know too much about manufacturing and so called ''zero'' zones where i'm supposed to live to get all the materials i need.
Paranoid Loyd
#13 - 2016-07-20 23:43:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Well, I don't think of myself as someone who really knows the markets in and out but the shipbuilding strategy is definitely a no go. (This is one of the reasons I don't condone grinding for plex) Building ships is glorious and fun but you won't be able to make enough to plex your account from shipbuilding as the margins are razor thin, if you do figure out how I can pretty much guarantee there won't be any time left for fun. Some people consider the "figuring out how" part the fun so if that's your personality type then have at it, but most come to the conclusion you build ships for fun, not profit.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Godlike Creator
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-07-20 23:48:04 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Well, I don't think of myself as someone who really knows the markets in and out but the shipbuilding strategy is definitely a no go. (This is one of the reasons I don't condone grinding for plex) You won't be able to make enough to plex your account from shipbuilding as the margins are razor thin, if you do figure out how I can pretty much guarantee there won't be any time left for fun. Some people consider the "figuring out how" part the fun so if that's your personality type then have at it, but most come to the conclusion you build ships for fun, not profit.


god damn ( well that's sad (
But lets say i made it. i found a huge corp. im one of the most trusted members. and i get to build for ppl (outside of the corp too) real expensive ships. like 1kkk+. i guess at that point i am going to start making a lot of profit, am i not? especially if ppl know that i can be trusted ?
Memphis Baas
#15 - 2016-07-20 23:50:46 UTC
Manufacturing is simple (easy interface), but as you've said, your profits depend on how well you sell to other players. A big part of that is knowing the area where you're selling, and knowing what things are in demand and what sells.

We're not going to be able to tell you that on the forums, the only real way to learn is to play the game and gain the experience. It's like PVP, there are many guides about the basics, but you won't become an expert sitting in station.

All of the things that you're looking for require effort, and can't really be handed to you on a platter:

- You want to find a good corp - that depends on your personality and theirs, and on a lot of other things.

- You want to know where and what to sell for max profit - well, great, so do we, and if we put in the effort and learn, we'll sell our stuff and make the profit, rather than tell you.

- You want to achieve a PLEX in 14 days, probably on a trial account - can't be done. I mean, put in literally 18 hours per day for the 14 days, and maybe.

You've got LP; you can probably get 1000 ISK / LP, so maybe you'll get another 130 million out of the LP that you have.
Memphis Baas
#16 - 2016-07-20 23:55:14 UTC
Godlike Creator wrote:
But lets say i made it. i found a huge corp. im one of the most trusted members. and i get to build for ppl (outside of the corp too) real expensive ships. like 1kkk+. i guess at that point i am going to start making a lot of profit, am i not? especially if ppl know that i can be trusted ?


Honestly? No.

If you get to the point where you're in a huge but good corp, where you're one of the most trusted members, and you're building capital ships at 1b cost, then they'll want you to pull your weight and build them many ships at material cost or even cheaper. Seeing how you're such a good friend and all that.

There is no guaranteed fast riches. You either go slow and steady, or you try to scam or steal (and may not succeed).
Godlike Creator
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-07-20 23:58:55 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Manufacturing is simple (easy interface), but as you've said, your profits depend on how well you sell to other players. A big part of that is knowing the area where you're selling, and knowing what things are in demand and what sells.

We're not going to be able to tell you that on the forums, the only real way to learn is to play the game and gain the experience. It's like PVP, there are many guides about the basics, but you won't become an expert sitting in station.

All of the things that you're looking for require effort, and can't really be handed to you on a platter:

- You want to find a good corp - that depends on your personality and theirs, and on a lot of other things.

- You want to know where and what to sell for max profit - well, great, so do we, and if we put in the effort and learn, we'll sell our stuff and make the profit, rather than tell you.

- You want to achieve a PLEX in 14 days, probably on a trial account - can't be done. I mean, put in literally 18 hours per day for the 14 days, and maybe.

You've got LP; you can probably get 1000 ISK / LP, so maybe you'll get another 130 million out of the LP that you have.



well said
Godlike Creator
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-07-21 00:05:15 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Well, I don't think of myself as someone who really knows the markets in and out but the shipbuilding strategy is definitely a no go. (This is one of the reasons I don't condone grinding for plex) Building ships is glorious and fun but you won't be able to make enough to plex your account from shipbuilding as the margins are razor thin, if you do figure out how I can pretty much guarantee there won't be any time left for fun. Some people consider the "figuring out how" part the fun so if that's your personality type then have at it, but most come to the conclusion you build ships for fun, not profit.



Memphis Baas wrote:
Godlike Creator wrote:
But lets say i made it. i found a huge corp. im one of the most trusted members. and i get to build for ppl (outside of the corp too) real expensive ships. like 1kkk+. i guess at that point i am going to start making a lot of profit, am i not? especially if ppl know that i can be trusted ?


Honestly? No.

If you get to the point where you're in a huge but good corp, where you're one of the most trusted members, and you're building capital ships at 1b cost, then they'll want you to pull your weight and build them many ships at material cost or even cheaper. Seeing how you're such a good friend and all that.

There is no guaranteed fast riches. You either go slow and steady, or you try to scam or steal (and may not succeed).



well since you've wasted your time guys, i'd like to give back the little i can. if u want you can hit me with your ''recruit a friend'' link, imma be honest ill prolly sub only after the trial ends.
Paranoid Loyd
#19 - 2016-07-21 00:10:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
You didn't waste our time. Happy to help/educate, even if it's not what you wanted to hear. Blink

About trust, it's funny thing in this game. Don't trust anyone is the safest route, but you won't get anywhere if you don't trust anyone. Proceed with extreme caution and remember just because you have made friends with someone doesn't necessarily mean you should trust them. If you do decide to put trust in someone, just remember it can backfire at any moment, if it does backfire just remember it's a game, don't take it personally, learn from it and move on.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Godlike Creator
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-07-21 00:17:03 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
You didn't waste our time. Happy to help/educate, even if it's not what you wanted to hear. Blink

About trust, it's funny thing in this game. Don't trust anyone is the safest route, but you won't get anywhere if you don't trust anyone. Proceed with extreme caution and remember just because you have made friends with someone doesn't necessarily mean you should trust them. If you do decide to put trust in someone, just remember it can backfire at any moment, if it does backfire just remember it's a game, don't take it personally, learn from it and move on.


thx for the kind words. i guess since nobody wants to ''recruit'' me xD ill go on and create basic trial account. thx once again for help. case closed.
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