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Tullinen Foundation - Project Fresh Start

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Nitshe Razvedka
#41 - 2016-07-24 06:58:39 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
I expect a hand from others to help me.

Try forceps, that should take care of your fantasies.


Please don't judge tall proud Caldari's by your own inadequacies. And Cher no encouraging Jimmy, this project is serious business.

Haha. Nei Civire, baka.
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Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2016-07-24 07:42:01 UTC
Pieter;

I would be happy to grant some personal assets toward this endeavor. along with liquid capital I may have some assets or personnel in Empire space that may be useful for the Foundation's project.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2016-07-25 03:09:51 UTC
Arista Shahni wrote:
Pieter;

I would be happy to grant some personal assets toward this endeavor. along with liquid capital I may have some assets or personnel in Empire space that may be useful for the Foundation's project.



Arista, your counsel is dearly missed. I would love, of course, to accept any donations.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Roirdan Bouchate
Ishukone-Raata Accounting and Transport
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#44 - 2016-07-29 20:54:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Roirdan Bouchate
Following up on our promise and commitment to the Caldari people, the IRV Karal Charon-class freighter has just been dispatched from Malkalen en route to Luminaire to deliver the following supplies:

x500 Sustained Shield Emitter
- The absolute best quality Ishukone has to offer; the most superior shield emitters produced here in the Caldari State; ideal for a plethora of different cases, including but not limited to: generator shielding, environmental shielding, governmental sector protection.
x10,000 Titanium Diborite Armor Plate
- Armor plates ideal for securing a sturdy foundation for the arcology, as well as reinforcement of vital areas.
x350 Janitor
- Highly-trained and professional janitorial engineers.
x500,000 Titanium Carbide
- Less-reinforced versions of the armor plates, these are more suited for general use cases.
x10 Broadcast Node
- A broadcast node array which will allow the arcology and all its inhabitants to communicate effectively with the rest of the planet, and the cluster.
x5 Recursive Computing Module
- Computing nodes ideal for managing arcology services and core systems.
x4 Self-Harmonizing Power Core
- Quality power cores for powering the arcology.
x2 Wetware Mainframe
- Computing nodes ideal for managing arcology services and core systems.

The Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive would like to once again thank the Tuulinen Foundation for this incredible step forward. We hope this move sets the precedent for other Patriot-aligned entities to work towards a peaceful, and beneficial solution with regards to the situation of Caldari Prime.

The IRV Karal will remain stationed in Luminaire for the following week to assist with any supply deliveries, or transit requests.

For Ishukone. For the State.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2016-07-30 09:52:07 UTC
Well, call Mama Ishy anything except stingy - that's a great load of building materials that I won't have to source and ship now!

Planning proceeds apace - we have what we think is the perfect site for building the Tower. Obviously there is considerable work to do in preparing the site - the Yanala Arcology will eventually be a pyramidal frame linking several towers with a height of 2 kilometers. Modern building materials obviously pick up the majority of the load with few problems, the issue at hand is the strength of the homeworld itself, ironically.

If we can procure permission from Ishukone Corporation to utilise the site, then we will have to spend up to a week simply performing deep scans of the ground, down to a depth of 500m. Any weakness of the rock strata we plan to build on would be disastrous!

To put it into terms a Capsuleer like myself is comfortable with, the scanning devices that we use must be able to reach farther than a ship's scanner grid through SOLID ROCK - and do so without being high-energy enough to actually cause the sort of damage we're checking for in the first place.

Whilst local conditions make it difficult for a capsuleer with my reputation within the Federation to go traipsing around in the streets, I've sent several associates and aides to get a feel for the neighbourhood - conditions seem very propitious indeed! The city itself is bouncing back from the unpleasantness of the last fifteen years or so and is currently enjoying a moderate growth spurt in terms of its industry.

Sadly, there are still many areas of economic deprivation within the locale and, as usual, poverty and crime go hand in glove. Where you have Poverty and Crime you tend to have fear and fear most often manifests itself as hatred of the different. It's a common story.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Doctor Gallento
Doctor Gallento - the Rock'n'Roll Clown
#46 - 2016-07-30 12:30:30 UTC
Speaking of Rock, I can offer to do the soundtracks for the elevators pro Bono as like a promotion.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2016-07-30 19:13:43 UTC
Doctor Gallento wrote:
Speaking of Rock, I can offer to do the soundtracks for the elevators pro Bono as like a promotion.


Gosh! Listening to your subversist stylings of Rock and Roll has always been a secret pleasure of mine, Doctor Gallento.

I wouldn't expect you to do it entirely for free though, pretty sure I can find a mountain of c-c-c-c-c-c-crash from somewhere.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Doctor Gallento
Doctor Gallento - the Rock'n'Roll Clown
#48 - 2016-07-31 00:12:14 UTC
Spoken like a true fan!
I've summoned one of my honchos to make sure you get a few crates of Doctor Gallento action figures for the first settlers. The Flamethrower guitar doubles as a lighter and nightlamp - kids love em!

Anything in particular you want mentioned in the lyrics?

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#49 - 2016-07-31 16:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
"Tullinen",

I didn't take you for someone who buys into Gutter Press articles. Sure, there's problems on Caldari Prime, but you make it sound much worse than it is. I'm almost thinking something hit you on the head. Or maybe your associates and aides are scamming you.
Also, I find it puzzling that you would do this just for Caldari, when there have been way more displaced Gallente (and I really doubt the number of "displaced Caldari from Gallente districts of Arcurio" would require the contruction of an Arcology of this size (rivaling the height of the Qaiian Tower)). But then again, I guess I should not expect more from an uakan.

Interesting to see though, how easily people support this cause. I guess they see more than a vanity project, but I don't know why. I'm half inclined to start a Biko Foundation for a similar project for the previously mentioned displaced Gallente. Of course, considering the number of displaced Gallente, my arcology would have to be bigger than yours (and I would try to name it the Alexander Noir Arcology...so I would probably need lots of ISK to bribe authorities).

Peace,

-Ché Biko
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2016-07-31 16:24:42 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
"Tullinen",

I didn't take you for someone who buys into Gutterpress articles. Sure, there's problems on Caldari Prime, but you make it sound much worse than it is. I'm almost thinking something hit you on the head. Or maybe your associates and aides are scamming you.
Also, I find it puzzling that you would do this just for Caldari, when there have been way more displaced Gallente (and I really doubt the number of "displaced Caldari from Gallente districts of Arcurio" would require the contruction of an Arcology of this size (rivaling the height of the Qaiian Tower)). But then again, I guess I should not expect more from an uakan.

Interesting to see though, how easily people support this cause. I guess they see more than a vanity project, but I don't know why. I'm half inclined to start a Biko Foundation for a similar project for the previously mentioned displaced Gallente. Of course, considering the number of displaced Gallente, my arcology would have to be bigger than yours (and I would try to name it the Alexander Noir Arcology...so I would probably need lots of ISK to bribe authorities).

Peace,

-Ché Biko

I think you should and I would help
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#51 - 2016-07-31 17:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Korsavius
Che Biko wrote:
"Tullinen",

I didn't take you for someone who buys into Gutterpress articles. Sure, there's problems on Caldari Prime, but you make it sound much worse than it is. I'm almost thinking something hit you on the head. Or maybe your associates and aides are scamming you.
Also, I find it puzzling that you would do this just for Caldari, when there have been way more displaced Gallente (and I really doubt the number of "displaced Caldari from Gallente districts of Arcurio" would require the contruction of an Arcology of this size (rivaling the height of the Qaiian Tower)). But then again, I guess I should not expect more from an uakan.

Interesting to see though, how easily people support this cause. I guess they see more than a vanity project, but I don't know why. I'm half inclined to start a Biko Foundation for a similar project for the previously mentioned displaced Gallente. Of course, considering the number of displaced Gallente, my arcology would have to be bigger than yours (and I would try to name it the Alexander Noir Arcology...so I would probably need lots of ISK to bribe authorities).

Peace,

-Ché Biko

Your willful ignorance betrays your passive aggressive use of the word "peace."

Recent civil unrest doesn't have to mean events that unfolded yesterday. For many, I'm sure, the events that unfolded during Operation Highlander are still warm in the memory - perhaps manifesting themselves as PTSD for some individuals. Even after Ishukone stepped in to work alongside the Federal government to mend the situation, you can bet there was still troubled elements due to radical groups from both sides of the conflict.

Furthermore, Tuulinen only lightly touched upon this topic. If a sentence from an entire press release is what you call making it sound much worse than it is, then I guess I can't do much to change your perspective.

Lastly, Tuulinen is a well-known Patriot. It should come to no surprise that his interests are securing the safety, and long-term security and prosperity for Caldari first. Ideally, yes, he would also support the Gallente population as well, but this is one small step forward on a long journey.

You're more than welcomed to start your own foundation out of jealousy and spite like a whiny, spoiled little child. Don't expect any support from me, though. I have no tolerance for those who would criticize the Tuulinen Foundation's efforts here. You obviously don't know how things work in the State, and thus don't realize what a big step forward this is for those who have a Patriot philosophy.

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Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2016-07-31 17:27:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Slayer Liberator
Korsavius wrote:
Che Biko wrote:
"Tullinen",

I didn't take you for someone who buys into Gutterpress articles. Sure, there's problems on Caldari Prime, but you make it sound much worse than it is. I'm almost thinking something hit you on the head. Or maybe your associates and aides are scamming you.
Also, I find it puzzling that you would do this just for Caldari, when there have been way more displaced Gallente (and I really doubt the number of "displaced Caldari from Gallente districts of Arcurio" would require the contruction of an Arcology of this size (rivaling the height of the Qaiian Tower)). But then again, I guess I should not expect more from an uakan.

Interesting to see though, how easily people support this cause. I guess they see more than a vanity project, but I don't know why. I'm half inclined to start a Biko Foundation for a similar project for the previously mentioned displaced Gallente. Of course, considering the number of displaced Gallente, my arcology would have to be bigger than yours (and I would try to name it the Alexander Noir Arcology...so I would probably need lots of ISK to bribe authorities).

Peace,

-Ché Biko

Your willful ignorance betrays your passive aggressive use of the word "peace."

Recent civil unrest doesn't have to mean events that unfolded yesterday. For many, I'm sure, the events that unfolded during Operation Highlander are still warm in the memory - perhaps manifesting themselves as PTSD for some individuals. Even after Ishukone stepped in to work alongside the Federal government to mend the situation, you can bet there was still troubled elements due to radical groups from both sides of the conflict.

Furthermore, Tuulinen only lightly touched upon this topic. If a sentence from an entire press release is what you call making it sound much worse than it is, then I guess I can't do much to change your perspective.

Lastly, Tuulinen is a well-known Patriot. It should come to no surprise that his interests are securing the safety, and long-term security and prosperity for Caldari first. Ideally, yes, he would also support the Gallente population as well, but this is one small step forward on a long journey.

Your more than welcomed to start your own foundation out of jealousy and spite like a whiny, spoiled little child. Don't expect any support from me, though. I have no tolerance for those who would criticize the Tuulinen Foundation's efforts here. You obviously don't know how things work in the State, and thus don't realize what a big step forward this is for those who have a Patriot philosophy.

Personally I think that the displaced Gallente do need support and a foundation for them would end up removing a long term goal from the Tuulinen Foundation and help displaced and suffering people from the Gallente zones at the same time so this is a noble initiative but I suggest finding someone besides Nior for archeology.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#53 - 2016-07-31 18:59:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Che Biko wrote:
"Tullinen",

I didn't take you for someone who buys into Gutterpress articles. Sure, there's problems on Caldari Prime, but you make it sound much worse than it is. I'm almost thinking something hit you on the head. Or maybe your associates and aides are scamming you.
Also, I find it puzzling that you would do this just for Caldari, when there have been way more displaced Gallente (and I really doubt the number of "displaced Caldari from Gallente districts of Arcurio" would require the contruction of an Arcology of this size (rivaling the height of the Qaiian Tower)). But then again, I guess I should not expect more from an uakan.

Interesting to see though, how easily people support this cause. I guess they see more than a vanity project, but I don't know why. I'm half inclined to start a Biko Foundation for a similar project for the previously mentioned displaced Gallente. Of course, considering the number of displaced Gallente, my arcology would have to be bigger than yours (and I would try to name it the Alexander Noir Arcology...so I would probably need lots of ISK to bribe authorities).

Peace,

-Ché Biko


I've had people come to me highlighting the public order problems on Caldari Prime right now. As a Patriot bloc loyalist I have, in the past, been quietly encouraged to stay away from the problems on the streets of Caldari Prime, as if the whole glittering dream will come crumbling down if I so much as set foot on the planet. The reaction of people to this project is highly gratifying and convinces me that there may yet be a place for Provist Bloc investment on Home. Most encouraging.

I'm also very confused regarding your puzzlement for my preference for helping Caldari. I would have thought the reasons for this were abundantly clear and quite understandable. The mandate of the Foundation has always been for the betterment of Caldari lives - with the fortunate side-effect of bringing cluster-wide benefits from time to time. That was the thinking behind the program I started for reintegrating those Disenfranchised with skills or the desire to work hard into KK employment. It was the thinking behind taking a Brigade of Caldari Marines and retraining them into one of the premier public order troop formations in the cluster, at the Aurora Arcology. The Foundation has not sprung into existence for this one project, Che, it has been doing good in the background for several years. now.

Regarding the size of the construction, it is designed to house a million displaced Caldari taken from any part of Caldari Prime. Yes, the Arcology will rival the former size of the Qaiian tower, but it will not be a command center for Provist terror troops, it will be a living and breathing home for it's inhabitants, providing residential, recreational and industrial opportunities for the inhabitants. It will provide it's own power, filter and store it's own water and scrub it's own air. It will process it's own industrial byproducts.

I support your creation of a similar Foundation that is focused on Gallente interests. Winds, I'll even sit down and share my notes with you, help you get things started. Housing a million people is a huge undertaking and it is, essentially, only a small part of what needs to be done on Caldari Prime. You should know that you will not be alone - I am in contact with other Federation patriots who seek to better the lives of Federal citizens caught up in events on Caldari Prime.

I would advise you to pick a less contraversial and contentious name for your development, though. Mine is named for a Caldari Patriot who gave her command and, eventually, her life to protect the citizens of Caldari Prime. Someone honoured by both sides for her bravery, honour and sacrifice. You should try and find someone of similar stature from within your own culture. There must be someone.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#54 - 2016-07-31 19:39:56 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
It is interesting to see how someone doing something prompts others to criticism.

It isn’t Pieters responsibility to see to the Federal population of Caldari Prime.

It is ours!

There are endeavors underway.

They are not to the scope and scale of the Visera Yanala Arcology project, but they will in time accommodate a similar number of people.

We are all creatures of our natures.

The Caldari build mega buildings that showcase technological achievement, maximize efficiency, and visibly project power.

We… build communities, quiet, safe, and edifying to the senses and soul.

The ‘Reclamation’ of neighborhoods within Gallente administered districts has been underway for some time.

For those interested I would refer you to the attached posts for further details.

I look forward to hearing from those interested in similar endeavors.

1. Caldari mob demonstrates against real estate developer!


2. Breaking News - Explosion Rocks New Caldari Prime Landfall Shuttleport
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2016-08-01 02:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Well, call Mama Ishy anything except stingy - that's a great load of building materials that I won't have to source and ship now!

Planning proceeds apace - we have what we think is the perfect site for building the Tower. Obviously there is considerable work to do in preparing the site - the Yanala Arcology will eventually be a pyramidal frame linking several towers with a height of 2 kilometers. Modern building materials obviously pick up the majority of the load with few problems, the issue at hand is the strength of the homeworld itself, ironically.

If we can procure permission from Ishukone Corporation to utilise the site, then we will have to spend up to a week simply performing deep scans of the ground, down to a depth of 500m. Any weakness of the rock strata we plan to build on would be disastrous!

To put it into terms a Capsuleer like myself is comfortable with, the scanning devices that we use must be able to reach farther than a ship's scanner grid through SOLID ROCK - and do so without being high-energy enough to actually cause the sort of damage we're checking for in the first place.

Whilst local conditions make it difficult for a capsuleer with my reputation within the Federation to go traipsing around in the streets, I've sent several associates and aides to get a feel for the neighbourhood - conditions seem very propitious indeed! The city itself is bouncing back from the unpleasantness of the last fifteen years or so and is currently enjoying a moderate growth spurt in terms of its industry.

Sadly, there are still many areas of economic deprivation within the locale and, as usual, poverty and crime go hand in glove. Where you have Poverty and Crime you tend to have fear and fear most often manifests itself as hatred of the different. It's a common story.


I am going to have to burst your hopes regarding the deep-scanning from orbit thing. As of current, orbital GPR (Ground-Penetrating Radar) scanners do not have the resolution to determine the composition, density and structure of bedrock with a 0.001% error margin. However, we can use orbital GPR scanners to determine the general mineral composition of that particular area of the planet's crust to narrow down potential sites, then send down prospectors or whatever you call them to deploy seismology sonic emitters and telemetry spikes to produce a 3D image of the ground below, whereupon you can then mineral and density of minerals of ground below as well as the structure of said ground (e.g. cavities, underground caves, potential sinkholes, etc).

Back home, my Clan's prospector expeditions make heavy use of Model 5d Sonic Surveyors and the accompanying Model 5d Receiver Spikes to determine the composition of the regolith area we are prospecting. The scan area is up to 20km radius wide and provides data of rock mineral composition and crust structure up to 2km deep. This is how we verify the mineral composition data fed to us by our Surveyor CubeSats and GPR Skimmer Drones and figure out a good place to set up mining operations.

However, we needed bore a 2km deep and 5m across shaft to deploy the Model 5d Sonic Surveyor and drive the telemetry spikes around a 40km x 40km grid, 5km spacing from each other with the shaft at the center and gather all the data in our Mobile Command Center for examination of rock layer composition and to build the 3D structure of the layers below to determine a good place to set up operations.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#56 - 2016-08-01 07:33:14 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

I am going to have to burst your hopes regarding the deep-scanning from orbit thing. As of current, orbital GPR (Ground-Penetrating Radar) scanners do not have the resolution to determine the composition, density and structure of bedrock with a 0.001% error margin. However, we can use orbital GPR scanners to determine the general mineral composition of that particular area of the planet's crust to narrow down potential sites, then send down prospectors or whatever you call them to deploy seismology sonic emitters and telemetry spikes to produce a 3D image of the ground below, whereupon you can then mineral and density of minerals of ground below as well as the structure of said ground (e.g. cavities, underground caves, potential sinkholes, etc).

Back home, my Clan's prospector expeditions make heavy use of Model 5d Sonic Surveyors and the accompanying Model 5d Receiver Spikes to determine the composition of the regolith area we are prospecting. The scan area is up to 20km radius wide and provides data of rock mineral composition and crust structure up to 2km deep. This is how we verify the mineral composition data fed to us by our Surveyor CubeSats and GPR Skimmer Drones and figure out a good place to set up mining operations.

However, we needed bore a 2km deep and 5m across shaft to deploy the Model 5d Sonic Surveyor and drive the telemetry spikes around a 40km x 40km grid, 5km spacing from each other with the shaft at the center and gather all the data in our Mobile Command Center for examination of rock layer composition and to build the 3D structure of the layers below to determine a good place to set up operations.


I'm very much outside my comfort zone when it comes to speciality scanning like this and in my metaphor I seriously mispoke when I suggested we were scanning deeper into the ground than a scanning grid is wide in space. I'm an order of magnitude off!

Perhaps I can save some face by revealing that I never meant to suggest we'd be scanning from space. What with all the distance and interference and so forth, that would be impossible and, if possible, certainly an inefficient way of tackling the job. I'm not certain how deep the shafts will be that get drilled to confirm that the, as you put it, regolithic integrity is sufficient to bear the weight of the arcology - but I do wish that you'd mentioned your clan's skill with the procedure earlier - I would have been interested in seeing a competitive bid for the contract from you!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2016-08-01 07:50:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

I am going to have to burst your hopes regarding the deep-scanning from orbit thing. As of current, orbital GPR (Ground-Penetrating Radar) scanners do not have the resolution to determine the composition, density and structure of bedrock with a 0.001% error margin. However, we can use orbital GPR scanners to determine the general mineral composition of that particular area of the planet's crust to narrow down potential sites, then send down prospectors or whatever you call them to deploy seismology sonic emitters and telemetry spikes to produce a 3D image of the ground below, whereupon you can then mineral and density of minerals of ground below as well as the structure of said ground (e.g. cavities, underground caves, potential sinkholes, etc).

Back home, my Clan's prospector expeditions make heavy use of Model 5d Sonic Surveyors and the accompanying Model 5d Receiver Spikes to determine the composition of the regolith area we are prospecting. The scan area is up to 20km radius wide and provides data of rock mineral composition and crust structure up to 2km deep. This is how we verify the mineral composition data fed to us by our Surveyor CubeSats and GPR Skimmer Drones and figure out a good place to set up mining operations.

However, we needed bore a 2km deep and 5m across shaft to deploy the Model 5d Sonic Surveyor and drive the telemetry spikes around a 40km x 40km grid, 5km spacing from each other with the shaft at the center and gather all the data in our Mobile Command Center for examination of rock layer composition and to build the 3D structure of the layers below to determine a good place to set up operations.


I'm very much outside my comfort zone when it comes to speciality scanning like this and in my metaphor I seriously mispoke when I suggested we were scanning deeper into the ground than a scanning grid is wide in space. I'm an order of magnitude off!

Perhaps I can save some face by revealing that I never meant to suggest we'd be scanning from space. What with all the distance and interference and so forth, that would be impossible and, if possible, certainly an inefficient way of tackling the job. I'm not certain how deep the shafts will be that get drilled to confirm that the, as you put it, regolithic integrity is sufficient to bear the weight of the arcology - but I do wish that you'd mentioned your clan's skill with the procedure earlier - I would have been interested in seeing a competitive bid for the contract from you!


I was occupied and only got into this thread today.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#58 - 2016-08-01 22:29:34 UTC
Dear Pieter,

Thank you for your response. It was more than I hoped for. I am relieved, happy and grateful to see you respond so honourably, despite my post being quite provocative. I hope you can forgive my provocations, even though I do not regret having made those provocations, as I did want to provoke a response.
While your response has not taken away my main critique of this project, I am now quite convinced that your head is still squarely on your shoulders, and that the word heiian may apply to you. I hope you know and can understand the reasons for my doubts concerning the genuineness of this project, and that you can tolerate someone criticizing your project, and perhaps even see the necessity of someone doing so. If not, I hope to clarify these things over a cup of tea sometime, or something stronger, if you wish.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I've had people come to me highlighting the public order problems on Caldari Prime right now. [..] I have, in the past, been quietly encouraged to stay away from the problems on the streets of Caldari Prime
What surprises me is that people have not come to me, as Caldari Prime is one of the few places in New Eden that I still have good ties with. Maybe I need to look into whether it is now me that is quietly being kept away from the problems of Caldari Prime. Also, due to past experiences, I have marked Gutter Press as un unreliable source. Maybe I should revise that as well...a little.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I'm also very confused regarding your puzzlement for my preference for helping Caldari. I would have thought the reasons for this were abundantly clear and quite understandable. The mandate of the Foundation has always been for the betterment of Caldari lives [..] The Foundation has not sprung into existence for this one project, Che, it has been doing good in the background for several years. now.
Maybe I should have searched GalNET more thoroughly, as I was not aware that the Tuulinen Foundation was not a new thing. Perhaps you've kept it in the background too much, but it does largely take away my concern that this is nothing more than a vanity project.
As I wrote in my previous post, I am not really surprised that an uakan cares first and foremost about Caldari, even though I wish this was different and I think that it would be in the best interest of the Caldari that this project was less divisive.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Regarding the size of the construction, it is designed to house a million displaced Caldari taken from any part of Caldari Prime.
Thank you for clarifying this. The scale of this project makes a lot more sense now.

As I did before, I am hoping that this project will improve the situation of those on Caldari Prime and elsewhere, even though I may not contribute to it myself.
Sincerely, I wish you, the citizens of Caldari Prime, and all others...

Peace,

-Ché
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#59 - 2016-08-02 16:18:14 UTC
Korsavius wrote:
Your willful ignorance betrays your passive aggressive use of the word "peace."
I can assure you that my ignorance is anything but willful. If you could see my com logs, outbox and GalNET search history of the past week, you would see that. Also, there may have been passive aggressiveness in the mail, but my wish for peace is, as ever, genuine.
Korsavius wrote:
You're more than welcomed to start your own foundation out of jealousy and spite like a whiny, spoiled little child.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I support your creation of a similar Foundation that is focused on Gallente interests. [..] I would advise you to pick a less contraversial and contentious name for your development, though. [..] Someone honoured by both sides for her bravery, honour [..] You should try and find someone of similar stature from within your own culture.
Well, my suggestion for an arcology for the displaced Gallente was not entirely serious. I hoped that "half inclined" would make that at least somewhat obvious. I have no desire to start a project like the one that I have been criticizing. That would be hypocritical, no? If I did do something like this, it would be for all citizens of Caldari Prime, regardless of ethnicity. But I would not do it out of spite or jealousy, those who would think so don't know me well.

One thing I was more serious about, however, was in the name I would choose for the arcology. Alexander Noir has done a lot to improve the relationship between the Federation and the State, and during his life, he was respected on both sides. That his name is now controversial and contentious is something I'd like to see changed (however, I would like to keep further discussion about this out of this thread). That what has become known as his final act, has made people forget all his acts before it.
In my eyes, we lost (at least) two great men on 110.05.15: Otro Gariushi and Alexander Noir.
Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp
#60 - 2016-08-02 16:40:52 UTC
Nevermind the regolith or soils ...

Such a structure should be founded on competent bedrock. The locations of the test borings can be used for the larger borings necessary for the caissons.

Even if it's a pyramidal structure, you don't want variable settlement, especially, and any settlement at all can disturb the esthetic where the building meets the surrounding gardens, etc.