EVE General Discussion

Short answer: no

Fan answer: yes because the patch the game and i hate it!
Serious player: nope, some people come some will leave
outside player: uhm not sure but there is lesser player so perhaps its a down route but not sure!

I didn't twist it.

I gave an answer to your question. No, you are wrong.

The game isn't dying, It's dead! and only the hardcore remain

Calling HiSec players cowards is erroneous and disingenuous. Is some cowardice possible there? Sure, but I could claim the same exists in LoSec and NullSec, probably in about the same quantities. It's human nature. Most HiSec players just don't get their kicks doing ship to ship PvP. It might not be fun to them to constantly replace ships. Looking at the numbers, most HiSec players are solidly in the Creation part of the game... and there's nothing wrong with that.

Carebears, cowards, etc. Labels and name calling is actually a sign of insecurity and weakness on the part of the caller. If you are secure in yourself, being called names means nothing, and you have no reason to call anyone else names either.

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The Dust 514 Forums were always FULL of those. It being a free-to-play meant that people who quit years ago would just hang around and ****post.

As soon as they got banned they'd just roll new alts and keep at it.

Yes eve is dying, No eve is not dying, eve is already dead, eve will never die. Its a matter of opinion really. The more important question is will CCP do what it takes to grow the game and prevent it from dying?

I say the following constructively...

Unfortunately CCP lost sight of the ball, as they say. They neglected their bread and butter for other projects. If you want to stay on top, you have to keep on it. You start slacking and someone else is going to come along and start stealing your revenue stream. CCP slacked on putting effort into eve. They focused on other projects and new markets. Other games have stole some of the Eve player base in the last 6-7 years.

CCP realized,we hope, the error of their ways and decided to recommit to Eve. However, they no longer have the edge they use too. Now they are playing catch up. Their market is drying up, F2P and mobile is becoming popular and CCP got a late start in that race. They are currently rectifying the f2p model slowly. Is it hard to play eve for free? Only if you never leave high sec or try to run 8 accounts for free.

They may have to take more drastic measures towards the F2P market. Because lets face it, Eve is only free to play if you know how to make 900 mil isk a month and have both the time and ability to do so( not including costs in ships/skills/ammo/etc). What they may have to do is change the trial to a limited free to play version. For example: No roles in corps, limits on what skills can be trained, reduced training speed, Can only use t1 modules and ships, etc.

Or they are going to have to bring their A-game. Which, i have to say, CCP has mostly failed at doing the last few years. They have been adding things to the game players strongly are objected too and most of the updates have been lackluster in nature over the last few years. Things that arent really broken are fixed, while things that players want are often ignored. The devs have been sloppy with implementing changes, honestly. I dont know if its the new set of devs, management, a rushed schedule, or just trying to do new things and make it work with old code. But many patches are buggy and often break things. The camera was terribly buggy and should of never made it to TQ its original state. I do not know how many times i had to relaunch to fix the camera. The new launcher had its own set of issues upon launch. The recent event that is still going had bugs as well when released to TQ.

Things need to be alpha and beta tested more. Beta being sisi. The beta population is low but there is no incentive to log in to sisi and spend our time there. Personally i would use sisi more if they had 100 isk skill injectors on the market and the market in general was better seeded. Then i could try out some new things on sisi as well as test the latest patch. As it is now sisi is to time consuming to get on and do anything.


Overall content is going to be key. F2P/P2W games lack content and depth. Usually its just a clickfest to do menial tasks to reach some goal or point in which you get a reward to use on more menial tasks to reach another goal. It gets redundant as its usually the same task but with a higher limit, IE more skills, more power, higher level, etc. Eve needs to set itself apart in the content arena.

PVE in eve is lack luster. You have to enjoy boring repetitive tasks to enjoy pve in eve. CCPs answer to this was to make super hard mode situations with better( jury is still out on this) rewards. However most of these are unpredictable, require a high level of SP, an expensive ship, and/or are extremely risky while at the same time can surprise you out of nowhere. In other words, it was a sloppy afterthought to shut people up more than providing useful content for player.

For example, i would of done ghost sites differently. I would of made them so they were escalations of new data sites. Each escalation got harder both with hacking and with rats. With the potential of rewards comings from hacking and/or rats. And the sites would of had a "tree" of possible escalations, rather than a set escalation path. So much more could of been done with this.

Then their is NPC dreadnoughts hotdropping you in an anom or even a belt. Another one of those " lets toss this in real fast and act like its some big change we been working on for 3 months" Something i could of done on my home pc with a set of dev tools before lunch provided i had the NPC graphics in place. Instead I would of created all new content which these and citadels would of been part of. Much like i would of with ghost sites.

The same can be said of drifters/seekers. For some reason current CCP seems to think we want them to drop randomly god mode NPCs in our game. Most people shy away from this content as its like going from running a level 2 mission to running a level 5 and skipping level 3 and 4.

So i feel in this regard, they half-assed adding stuff to the game and fail short greatly of the potential while doing nothing but giving players something annoying to deal with/ignore.

I wont even start on sov warfare and the Jedi mind link mechanics that enable you to capture territory with a few people and some frigates and defend the same territory with a few griffens/ bombers.

Conclusion: If Eve lives or dies is up to CCP. Here lately, their track record not so good, though it does look like it may be taking a slight upward turn. Lets just hope its not to little to late.

If rhetoric were gold, you'd be rich.

Ive played Eve on and off for several years now and have enjoyed and still do however, I have to say the game play is stuck. What i find disappointing in Eve is a lack of connection or the lack of the Sand Box feel. There should be a deeper relationship between your Actions and others reactions. Example: Eve is matured to the point CCP needs to start integrating more POS in high sec space that require a working relationship with jump gates and near by resources. How this might look: If the POS requires fuel to operate miners have a reason to move into the system. The POS buys directly from the miners which causes conflict. Jump gates can either buy from the POS or issues contracts for fuel. Further conflict. If a miner is ganked while mining then the jump gates and POS's may not get the fuel required causing further conflict. The need for fuel for example drives conflict between systems and each system can broadcast the need for miners and security services over the news channels. Relaying information to the player base. What eve is lacking is natural reasons driving conflict. Its time CCP back off nudging game play and build into Eve reasons for conflict. Another example is its time to deepen the relationship between High Sec and Null Sec. What that look like: Certain resources needed for operations in Null sec are found in high sec space. Only certain freighter type ships can jump from null sec to high sec and certain POS hubs can accommodate these ships. His sec players can gather such resources using certain ships with restrictions much like mission running. Null Sec cooperation's can then issues contracts for collecting resources in high sec space driving conflict between Null sec cooperation's. IMHO Eve has grown past simple conflict and needs to start developing deeper relationships between the different elements that drive Eve in the first place. Eve in all about Conflit and war so develop the natural relationships that have the greatest possibly to causing it and then allowing it to develop through the actions of the player base.

Duplicate post... darned forum gankers.

Good luck with that. One more thing, Nokia was also healthy... do not underestimate the power of self-destruction. We will see how fast sp booster guys get bored of eve. If they wont - good, if they will - bad. I think I didnt make it clear, that I want eve to live. Making it pathetic is what I am aginst. The level of mental gymnastics is falling, it gets easier to play.