EVE General Discussion

For years I have been a member of EVE player base, through many accounts I played. I must say it is the time for me to say what is on my mind and I want everyone to speak theirs.

The eve is dying? Maybe for someone it will sound ******** or stupid, or out of reality you are submerged into, I do not mind of you opinions be they flawless or full of fallacies. However, there are signs for that to happen. Let us start from the time when EVE online was high. That was a phase few years ago when smartpones were not in their high ground yet and consoles were just a winky experience. CCP decided to get into consoles, thinking that expanding is something needed, well it is, but not the way they though it to be. Dust is closed now as hundreeds of players predicted already years ago after last decent expansion came out. The involvement of chinese developers and the approach to work they posses, from my experience is not a good idea, and it ended up not being such for CCP either. When chinese real estate bubble will collapse, CCP will lose Serenity and no groundbreaking will fix it because external fators are wa beyond that. I am just waiting for it to happen already.

Now back to EVE, the EVE had it ups and downs, but it had steady growth, however just a few years ago, the new leap in gaming happened and the smartphones with consoles took their grounds. CCP saw this as a menace and Valkyrie happened. They went beyond by applying VR to it. They hope it will pay back in future. The thing is, Valkyrie will most likely end up on computers like DUST. The micro technology is slowing down, and packing everything into expensive console with ever demanding games is a waste of money. Either consoles become computers or they end up being a niche product just like smartphones or tablets which will catch with the console high speed processors and ocuppy their share. Anybody who says it is not true, just wants you to keep buying new version of iphone which is almost similar to previous yet you gotta pay more. Because BRAAAAANNDD!!! Anyway, you see the story. The CCP exit from stock market was a desperate way to hide the losses and lack of profitability which would make investors run in fear and create problems for CCP. Making them fall for cashing ideology of Hollywood. CCP tops wanted a small community fo dedicated members that will b loyal, sadly that is going well down because players are getting old and new players are different. This phase where you have to keep old players and attract new ones, sometimes with an attention span of a goldfish, is a tough goal and it is clearly visible in CCP's attempts to perform it.

We of course should not forget pressing issue of in game payments which disallows CCP to gain properly, more so loosing liquidity. If you think CCP is a stable company, you must be new to the world. I suggest you look at Nokia and what happened to them. It is and will be the best example of managerial failure, a small one that promted the end of the giant. You do not need much. All you need is to apply certain amount of force to certain area and the trick will work. Just ask Steven Seagal.
Guys at Nokia did it to themselves. CCP keeps trying to do the same. The management became old, lazy and somewhat fat, just check the last FanFest.

The fresh ideas are lacking, the huge wave of brain activity from player base that you can see on forums is nothing but a scream - we need a next huge leap.

Stuff like Citdael is not a leap, it feels more like an upgrade of POS to high sec trade station that you can own if you are scared of null sec sovereignty but yu want to try how if feels. That is not the leap, that is the approach to the player base behavioural patterns of a crybaby. For last years CCP was puting pop corns into a jar, and if it goes bad they put chips instead of pop corn. You need a new bigger jar and later fill it with what you want. From shells to fries. I have a feeling, one of many, that CCP is trying to make that dream team of player base that are loyal which is not happening for reasons I described above and they are becoming ever more desperate by trying to diversify the fututre risks by going into VR. Dust failed miserably, so it will be back to PCs. Please never again hire chinese developers for games unless they worked in big western companies or studied in the West. Do not hire managers that are so lazy about whole thing they dont really care what happens to CCP as long as thy recieve pay check. I can go on here for a ong time but I want to hear from others what they have to say about CCP future and the deth of player base.

Also the recent pay-to-win player that maxed his skills gave another frame to my words and that I am on right track. CCP needs a huge reform and fast. I don't feel like I am enjoying what I play when I can just cash in and get my max, get bored and leave.

There was certain sense of equality, where no matter how rich you are you will take time skilling like everyone else. It is lost now.


If CCP wants to end up with EVE, it is on the right course. I would also suggest creating am emergent group of concerned players only. because the way future looks is a vast space with Serenity size playerbase that will slowly dwindle out and leave the game out of lack of interaction with the numerous players that could populate the galaxy.


Of course there are many other reasons I didn't mention but I wanted to keep it simple and civilized as much as possible, so things like DEV-helping-players tier will not be covered.

Please share fellow capsuleers. I feel like this is my last return to eve after another pause. I feel like the game lost something, something important. I cannot yet realize what it is but there is this feeling and is definetely something that bothers me.

Fly safe o7


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Yes, and the amount of such threads should say something to you.

Ironically....I already wrote out my thoughts regarding this issue, and posted them. If you would like to read them, links are easier than re-copying the whole thing, so Here You Go

It certainly does to me: despite the misgivings of the vocal minority, Eve is still here 13 years later.

I think game will still keep going but has a niche player base reason game has not grown the problem as I see the game it was made for pvp but a huge amount of content is actually pve based , so mixed signals there .

they should when you first play put you in a place and be going against other players from the start in rookie ships that way you be used to pvp from day 1 , and not used to pve from the outset thats where they could do major changes.

the price of sub is ok but the price of plex is a joke you can buy 2 on ebay for the same price so many players selling plex isk on ebay 1 player has made more than a years wages on there, so perhaps ccp should lower the cost of plex so its cheap .

EVE Online, dying since 2004.

There are tons of new or returning players everywhere. Just kill any random miner in highsec and you will see. So there is no problem really.

Actually, the first reference to Eve is dying was in 2003 (Chribba did an analysis of the use of the term a while back).

As to the game being full of cry babies after all the cry babies leave, seems kind of the opposite is the logical outcome of that process.

So dramatic.

hmmmm not as much as you might think,
you see we have done this dance and being the fastidious feckers that we are , we have the data , not my work, source