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Every year, there are less users playing, why??

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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#1621 - 2016-09-04 15:19:09 UTC
Eve needs to appeal to this generations wants.

They love cosmetics: Ship Skins
They love playing dress up: Boots
They have 0 attention span: PI
They love instant gratification: Skill injectors
They love holding hands: New player Experience revamp #647

And most important.
They love free things: Alpha Clones

Turns out things they dont like are something Eve gives more of.

Tough love.
The need to use common sense.
Trust no one ever.
Nothing is fair.
People smarter than you.
The really cool things to do things take time (They really hate this one)
They lack creativity/ambition/motivation


Cant say CCP isnt trying. But this generation is a picky one. Gonna be hard to reel in these fish. Just gotta give them more of what they want than what they are willing to make for themselves.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Valder Ripley
Event Horizon Excavations
#1622 - 2016-09-04 15:33:11 UTC
StonerPhReaK wrote:
Eve needs to appeal to this generations wants.

...

Cant say CCP isnt trying. But this generation is a picky one. Gonna be hard to reel in these fish. Just gotta give them more of what they want than what they are willing to make for themselves.


I don´t know.
I mean, I totally agree with you about what this generation of younger players want.

My first question is, how many younger and older players came and left EvE in the last 10 years?
Are there demographic statistics?

My second question is, would it be better for CCP and EvE to appeal to the younger or older generations wants? Blink
I would say, younger players have more time, but no money - older players have more money, but no time.
Double bind Ugh

Do not go gentle into that good night,

though wise men at their end know dark is right,

rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Amy Farrah FowIer
SKULL AND B0NES
#1623 - 2016-09-04 15:42:20 UTC
AVG player online actually on the level from 2006/2007 Big smile good job CCPLol
Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#1624 - 2016-09-04 20:35:12 UTC
This is possibly my favorite video game of all time. I like the coldness of space. That being said, It's getting harder and harder to find people to play with who normal people can fit in with.

I find most of the people that play this game to be filthy, disgusting forever virgin types. I could go on for a while about my problem but mostly I absolutely hate 1/2 of the people that play this game on a deeply personal level.

It's getting to the point where it won't be possible to have a good career and then come on fleet comms and listen to some morbidly obese, effeminate high pitched voice guy talk about what he wants to shove up his butt hole.

The gamer culture or the culture of the gamers that are left in this game is sadly becoming dominated by basement dweller types. I thought it was just me because I have been stressed out at work badly for the last couple years but having played other games recently I realize a lot of the active players have settled in to some kind of vile real life existence.

"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1625 - 2016-09-04 22:09:48 UTC
Valder Ripley wrote:
StonerPhReaK wrote:
Eve needs to appeal to this generations wants.

...

Cant say CCP isnt trying. But this generation is a picky one. Gonna be hard to reel in these fish. Just gotta give them more of what they want than what they are willing to make for themselves.


I don´t know.
I mean, I totally agree with you about what this generation of younger players want.

My first question is, how many younger and older players came and left EvE in the last 10 years?
Are there demographic statistics?

My second question is, would it be better for CCP and EvE to appeal to the younger or older generations wants? Blink
I would say, younger players have more time, but no money - older players have more money, but no time.
Double bind Ugh

Whether it is their own money or their parents' money the younger generation of gamers spends *way* more RL $$$ on games than the older gamers in general - so it is really a no-brainer from the financial standpoint.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1626 - 2016-09-05 07:38:25 UTC
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
This is possibly my favorite video game of all time. I like the coldness of space. That being said, It's getting harder and harder to find people to play with who normal people can fit in with.

I find most of the people that play this game to be filthy, disgusting forever virgin types. I could go on for a while about my problem but mostly I absolutely hate 1/2 of the people that play this game on a deeply personal level.

It's getting to the point where it won't be possible to have a good career and then come on fleet comms and listen to some morbidly obese, effeminate high pitched voice guy talk about what he wants to shove up his butt hole.

The gamer culture or the culture of the gamers that are left in this game is sadly becoming dominated by basement dweller types. I thought it was just me because I have been stressed out at work badly for the last couple years but having played other games recently I realize a lot of the active players have settled in to some kind of vile real life existence.


My experience has been the exact opposite. Most people have steady relationships, children and sometimes even grandchildren.

Guess it varies depending on a lot of things, but I'm willing to bet the area of space we reside, time zone and interests vastly differ

Art of Explosions
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#1627 - 2016-09-05 10:31:52 UTC
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
This is possibly my favorite video game of all time. I like the coldness of space. That being said, It's getting harder and harder to find people to play with who normal people can fit in with.

I find most of the people that play this game to be filthy, disgusting forever virgin types. I could go on for a while about my problem but mostly I absolutely hate 1/2 of the people that play this game on a deeply personal level.

It's getting to the point where it won't be possible to have a good career and then come on fleet comms and listen to some morbidly obese, effeminate high pitched voice guy talk about what he wants to shove up his butt hole.

The gamer culture or the culture of the gamers that are left in this game is sadly becoming dominated by basement dweller types. I thought it was just me because I have been stressed out at work badly for the last couple years but having played other games recently I realize a lot of the active players have settled in to some kind of vile real life existence.


My experience is that the mature, friendly and helpful players in EVE tend to congregate together.

That does leave unexplained the mystery of why you seem to be in a group of people such as you describe.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1628 - 2016-09-05 11:54:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Malcanis wrote:
My experience is that the mature, friendly and helpful players in EVE tend to congregate together.

That does leave unexplained the mystery of why you seem to be in a group of people such as you describe.
I wouldn't have been as subtle, well played sir.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#1629 - 2016-09-05 12:03:55 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
My experience is that the mature, friendly and helpful players in EVE tend to congregate together.

That does leave unexplained the mystery of why you seem to be in a group of people such as you describe.
I wouldn't have been as subtle, well played sir.


It also leaves unexplained the mystery of why some of them put up with me.

We're going to need a detective.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1630 - 2016-09-05 12:28:49 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
It also leaves unexplained the mystery of why some of them put up with me.
Your bluntness, some of us appreciate it.

Quote:
We're going to need a detective.
Paging Rip....

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Railyn Quisqueya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1631 - 2016-09-05 13:06:57 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
My experience is that the mature, friendly and helpful players in EVE tend to congregate together.

That does leave unexplained the mystery of why you seem to be in a group of people such as you describe.

This.

CODE. fits your ideal very well. So a mystery it is indeed.
Aurelius Oshidashi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1632 - 2016-09-05 13:18:05 UTC
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
This is possibly my favorite video game of all time. I like the coldness of space. That being said, It's getting harder and harder to find people to play with who normal people can fit in with.

I find most of the people that play this game to be filthy, disgusting forever virgin types. I could go on for a while about my problem but mostly I absolutely hate 1/2 of the people that play this game on a deeply personal level.

It's getting to the point where it won't be possible to have a good career and then come on fleet comms and listen to some morbidly obese, effeminate high pitched voice guy talk about what he wants to shove up his butt hole.

The gamer culture or the culture of the gamers that are left in this game is sadly becoming dominated by basement dweller types. I thought it was just me because I have been stressed out at work badly for the last couple years but having played other games recently I realize a lot of the active players have settled in to some kind of vile real life existence.


I haven't met those people yet! I've been flying with lots of guys older than me, with a job and kids, but also a guy participating at the recent Olympics, students, other sportive types, professional gamers, world travelers and more. Mostly reasonable people and often above averagely intelligent. I get turned off when people start talking about their irritations in RL too much. That was in the first Corp I joined, but I quickly left then for a better corp
Lord Xar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1633 - 2016-09-05 14:28:40 UTC
Because its pointless I just got used to it after a few years afk get a escalation that took me ages to get it goes to null sec great manage to do it grab the loot boom 1.2 billion isk my biggest ever score better than 20 million here and 10 million there. And ofc on the way out jump gate goes straight into a sphere cant warp away ganked by 14 people lose ship and first ever chance to get ahead on the damn game. That's why it only has a few thousand players its unforgiving. True my inexperience is a factor I should have fit the interdiction thingy to my tengu also as well as stealth .But that's just frakking brutal 6 hours or so this chain took me this morning its not even the isk its the time I wasted I think i'll go back to fps games again .
Solecist Project
#1634 - 2016-09-05 14:42:37 UTC
Lord Xar wrote:
Because its pointless I just got used to it after a few years afk get a escalation that took me ages to get it goes to null sec great manage to do it grab the loot boom 1.2 billion isk my biggest ever score better than 20 million here and 10 million there. And ofc on the way out jump gate goes straight into a sphere cant warp away ganked by 14 people lose ship and first ever chance to get ahead on the damn game. That's why it only has a few thousand players its unforgiving. True my inexperience is a factor I should have fit the interdiction thingy to my tengu also as well as stealth .But that's just frakking brutal 6 hours or so this chain took me this morning its not even the isk its the time I wasted I think i'll go back to fps games again .

Wall of text ... check.
Lack of proper punctuation to seperate thoughts ... check.

When was the last time you actually had a properly structured thought?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1635 - 2016-09-05 15:16:46 UTC
Lord Xar wrote:
Because its pointless I just got used to it after a few years afk get a escalation that took me ages to get it goes to null sec great manage to do it grab the loot boom 1.2 billion isk my biggest ever score better than 20 million here and 10 million there. And ofc on the way out jump gate goes straight into a sphere cant warp away ganked by 14 people lose ship and first ever chance to get ahead on the damn game. That's why it only has a few thousand players its unforgiving. True my inexperience is a factor I should have fit the interdiction thingy to my tengu also as well as stealth .But that's just frakking brutal 6 hours or so this chain took me this morning its not even the isk its the time I wasted I think i'll go back to fps games again .


Do you have just one account or two and that meant you did not have a scout, did you have limited time to play so was a bit reckless due to that. You have to make choices in the game, this game is brutal and hard, I tell people its like every player you come across is the boss type and you have to be smart and cautious to succeed. Of course having just the one character, not having enough time will make you do things perhaps you should not have done.

What I liked about you is that you saw taht having the Tengu refitted with an Interdiction Nullifier would have saved your butt, covert ops cloak too by the way.

Do you want to beat this game with people like that, I had a lot of fun over many years playing to be hard to kill and seeing the player base as a challenge, for what I am prepared to put into the game at this point they are no longer a challenge for me, but you can have fun doing this.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Lord Xar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1636 - 2016-09-05 16:55:34 UTC
Nice I can see being hard to kill as a fun objective lol .As for me using punctuation like i'm writing a novel on a forum nah I just cant be arsed ;p
And limited time and 1 account yes. This means I have to undock so I can play and its a cruel hard world ;)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1637 - 2016-09-05 17:25:10 UTC
Lord Xar wrote:
Nice I can see being hard to kill as a fun objective lol .As for me using punctuation like i'm writing a novel on a forum nah I just cant be arsed ;p
And limited time and 1 account yes. This means I have to undock so I can play and its a cruel hard world ;)

Punctuation is not just for novels...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Solecist Project
#1638 - 2016-09-05 17:49:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Lord Xar wrote:
Nice I can see being hard to kill as a fun objective lol .As for me using punctuation like i'm writing a novel on a forum nah I just cant be arsed ;p
And limited time and 1 account yes. This means I have to undock so I can play and its a cruel hard world ;)

Of course you missed the point.
You do not know why it matters, else you wouldn't be saying this.

Look up Dunning-Kruger effect.
It explains your response.

Proper use of punctuation is not just important to increase the probability of others understanding you.
It's actually a measure stick of intelligence in people.
It ALLOWS us to question your intelligence!

Punctuation is necessary to give words and sentences structure ...
... which means your thoughts have structure.

Same reason with grammar and spelling. Yes, the brain can figure out scrambled words which have the first and last letter at the correct positions. What all the morons who keep using this as excuse ignore, is that this takes away processing time that would be better used for understanding what is being written instead of forcing the brain into simple pattern-matching!


Without this structure, your words are nothing but a pattern based stream of the first **** that came to your mind. You will more and more degrade into an idiot who lacks awareness of being an idiot and it all started with the carelessness and obvious overestimation of yourself. Yes, you do that, because you think it's fine as it is.

LifeProTip:
the ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent.
To be intelligent, you need to be able to express thoughts in a structured way which allows analysation and self reflection.



You'll turn unable to analyse your own words, question your thoughts and beliefs and stop all self reflection. The meaning of individual words eventually merges into blocks, which are several words combined, degenerating them into metaphors. It's straight downhill when this part starts, because as usage increases, more words turn into blocks.

It will increase your biases without you realizing. It will make you lose awareness of words and meanings, making it easier to manipulate you. It will make you incapable of doing anything that actually affords cognitive abilities and reduce your world into a passive journey of automatic pattern matching, where you will be incapable of dealing with anything that does not fit that which is already in your brain.


You turn into a robot, incapable of recognizing that he's not aware of what he is saying or doing.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1639 - 2016-09-05 18:16:49 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Start ganking with CODE? Wouldn't it take more than ten days to totally lose ones self-esteem, or is this idea for those who come to us already in the self-loathing mode? Where did I put that pesky sig....


Not everyone shares your idiotic aversion to spontaneous order.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1640 - 2016-09-05 18:26:52 UTC
Valder Ripley wrote:
StonerPhReaK wrote:
Eve needs to appeal to this generations wants.

...

Cant say CCP isnt trying. But this generation is a picky one. Gonna be hard to reel in these fish. Just gotta give them more of what they want than what they are willing to make for themselves.


I don´t know.
I mean, I totally agree with you about what this generation of younger players want.

My first question is, how many younger and older players came and left EvE in the last 10 years?
Are there demographic statistics?

My second question is, would it be better for CCP and EvE to appeal to the younger or older generations wants? Blink
I would say, younger players have more time, but no money - older players have more money, but no time.
Double bind Ugh


My God you guys sound like a couple of old farts complaining about kids these days always playing on their calculators.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online