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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#141 - 2016-07-22 11:37:40 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
I think wardec mechanisms must be changed. Now you can just grief with it, people drop corp and they are invulnerable then. So the war should come only to those who really will fight. Military Sections for corporations or different player corporation types maybe?

You will not get more kills, or less, but people will be less pissed off by it.

The saddest part is that it is probably only a matter of time before CCP breaks down and makes combat 100% optional for you...

My question, however, is: Why do people with this opinion play the game *now* - when such changes haven't been made? And why do you seem to suffer the delusion that EVE was ever some wonderful peaceful Utopia where big mean bullies couldn't pick on poor unarmed noobs like you?

Stay on topic for petes sake. We want more players right?

Everyone must be wardeckable and must be open for griefeing in high sec, right? What about NPC corps? What about people who would want to have their own corp but dont want to be wardeced like NPC corps? Game is giving them middle finger now.
But people are in NPC corps and can always go to low sec if they want and attack people there, not in high sec. So what is your point? High sec is a safe heaven (as safe as it gets) for a lot of people. Why do you think majority of people stay in High sec all the time? Are they delusional? Nope, they just like to chill most of the time, or the environment is fitting. If they could, they would really make it more safe, and go to war only when they want, with those who want, such High sec would be a bit better than its now.

CCP will have to notice that eventually.

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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#142 - 2016-07-22 11:49:08 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
I think wardec mechanisms must be changed. Now you can just grief with it, people drop corp and they are invulnerable then. So the war should come only to those who really will fight. Military Sections for corporations or different player corporation types maybe?

You will not get more kills, or less, but people will be less pissed off by it.

The saddest part is that it is probably only a matter of time before CCP breaks down and makes combat 100% optional for you...

My question, however, is: Why do people with this opinion play the game *now* - when such changes haven't been made? And why do you seem to suffer the delusion that EVE was ever some wonderful peaceful Utopia where big mean bullies couldn't pick on poor unarmed noobs like you?



It's the fact that they can get wardecced for no reason that's the issue, there should to be a reason for a wardec besides having the cash to do it.

Then there's the expansions, they have promised a lot but delivered very little as far as a large part of the player base is concerned.

Even the events recently have left a lot to be desired by turning either into a grindfest or the players being given very little info of what to do with the things you are supposed to be hunting.

Maybe that is a part of it, the fact that CCP throw things to the player base without bothering to explain what exactly it is, or what an individual is supposed to do with it.

Maybe it's the 2 main devs driving the direction of eve that's the problem, both of whom just seem to ignore the majority of players.

Whatever the reason, 4 players I have introduced to the game all quit within weeks because of the mechanics and bullshit surrounding the game and corps.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#143 - 2016-07-22 11:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Nana Skalski wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
I think wardec mechanisms must be changed. Now you can just grief with it, people drop corp and they are invulnerable then. So the war should come only to those who really will fight. Military Sections for corporations or different player corporation types maybe?

You will not get more kills, or less, but people will be less pissed off by it.

The saddest part is that it is probably only a matter of time before CCP breaks down and makes combat 100% optional for you...

My question, however, is: Why do people with this opinion play the game *now* - when such changes haven't been made? And why do you seem to suffer the delusion that EVE was ever some wonderful peaceful Utopia where big mean bullies couldn't pick on poor unarmed noobs like you?

Stay on topic for petes sake. We want more players right?

Everyone must be wardeckable and must be open for griefeing in high sec, right? What about NPC corps? What about people who would want to have their own corp but dont want to be wardeced like NPC corps? Game is giving them middle finger now.
But people are in NPC corps and can always go to low sec if they want and attack people there, not in high sec. So what is your point? High sec is a safe heaven (as safe as it gets) for a lot of people. Why do you think majority of people stay in High sec all the time? Are they delusional? Nope, they just like to chill most of the time, or the environment is fitting. If they could, they would really make it more safe, and go to war only when they want, with those who want, such High sec would be a bit better than its now.

CCP will have to notice that eventually.

It has taken them 13 years - but they *are already* making changes to accomodate people like you. Ironically, you are complaining more now *after* their changes to make high-sec safer for you than you complained in the 10+ years when there were literally no safeguards in place to protect you in high sec other than a CONCORD who was even slower than they are now.....

And I am staying on topic, I'm replying directly to what you are saying and asking legitimate, honest questions. I know why people *leave* the game after finding out how hostile the modern high-sec is to their play-style......but I honestly don't know why they *start* playing the game in the first place....Because EVE has literally been like that for 13 years - and the only changes were CCP's attempts to make high-sec *safer*.

Granted CCP certainly *failed* to make high-sec safer....but perhaps that should be a warning to you as you demand that CCP steps in to do even more...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#144 - 2016-07-22 11:53:43 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
It's the fact that they can get wardecced for no reason that's the issue, there should to be a reason for a wardec besides having the cash to do it.

Then there's the expansions, they have promised a lot but delivered very little as far as a large part of the player base is concerned.

Even the events recently have left a lot to be desired by turning either into a grindfest or the players being given very little info of what to do with the things you are supposed to be hunting.

Maybe that is a part of it, the fact that CCP throw things to the player base without bothering to explain what exactly it is, or what an individual is supposed to do with it.

Maybe it's the 2 main devs driving the direction of eve that's the problem, both of whom just seem to ignore the majority of players.

Whatever the reason, 4 players I have introduced to the game all quit within weeks because of the mechanics and bullshit surrounding the game and corps.

I have pretty much the same thing to say to you: That has been EVE since day 1 in 2003...

Literally the *only* thing that has changed in the past 13 years is that CCP is finally trying to listen to you and provide more content and more safety...

Sure they kind of suck at it...but again they always have...since 2003....

So...what did you really *expect* when you joined the game?

edit: And *where did that expectation come from* - because it certainly wasn't based on anything in the game or in reality...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#145 - 2016-07-22 11:57:05 UTC
To both of you, and everyone like you, a brief disclaimer:

I'm not even disagreeing with you that the system is broken. I *know* you are right, and this is why a lot of people leave EVE. So please don't feel the need to defend that. I get that part, and as I say I *agree*.


I just don't think the solution is as simple as you seem to think it is...

And I'm not sure you realize that this isn't some new thing...this is just...EVE...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#146 - 2016-07-22 12:00:14 UTC
Judaa K'Marr wrote:
I hated the exploration changes as well. It was especially confusing since in this game where the standard of PVE is such a well known joke, exploration was on the one area of PVE that approached being fun and interesting, and for some reason CCP decided it was in need of nonstop meddling and dumbing down. Someone in corp getting a 10/10 would be an event. The massive drop from 6/10 was like winning the lottery. Now it's all a bit meh.


It wouldn't be such a joke if they would follow up on the changes they implement. I can remember CCP Affinity really seeming like she wanted to get it right and collecting feedback. I assume she got pulled off her PvE station and got other **** thrown on her desk by someone higher up. That usually seems like the case once we hear about the CCP screwups when the financial's used to get reported lol.

Not today spaghetti.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#147 - 2016-07-22 12:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
I think wardec mechanisms must be changed. Now you can just grief with it, people drop corp and they are invulnerable then. So the war should come only to those who really will fight. Military Sections for corporations or different player corporation types maybe?

You will not get more kills, or less, but people will be less pissed off by it.

The saddest part is that it is probably only a matter of time before CCP breaks down and makes combat 100% optional for you...

My question, however, is: Why do people with this opinion play the game *now* - when such changes haven't been made? And why do you seem to suffer the delusion that EVE was ever some wonderful peaceful Utopia where big mean bullies couldn't pick on poor unarmed noobs like you?

Stay on topic for petes sake. We want more players right?

Everyone must be wardeckable and must be open for griefeing in high sec, right? What about NPC corps? What about people who would want to have their own corp but dont want to be wardeced like NPC corps? Game is giving them middle finger now.
But people are in NPC corps and can always go to low sec if they want and attack people there, not in high sec. So what is your point? High sec is a safe heaven (as safe as it gets) for a lot of people. Why do you think majority of people stay in High sec all the time? Are they delusional? Nope, they just like to chill most of the time, or the environment is fitting. If they could, they would really make it more safe, and go to war only when they want, with those who want, such High sec would be a bit better than its now.

CCP will have to notice that eventually.

It has taken them 13 years - but they *are already* making changes to accomodate people like you. Ironically, you are complaining more now *after* their changes to make high-sec safer for you than you complained in the 13 years when there were literally no safeguards in place to protect you in high sec other than a CONCORD who was even slower than they are now.....

And I am staying on topic, I'm replying directly to what you are saying and asking legitimate, honest questions. I know why people *leave* the game after finding out how hostile the modern high-sec is to their play-style......but I honestly don't know why they *start* playing the game in the first place....Because EVE has literally been like that for 13 years - and the only changes were CCP's attempts to make high-sec *safer*.

Granted CCP certainly *failed* to make high-sec safer....but perhaps that should be a warning to you as you demand that CCP steps in to do even more...

I will not speak for all those players, they have speak up on many accasions themselves in CCP pools. In my case it was a perspective to fly a spaceship and walk in stations. Doing spaceshippy stuff.
Ironically, the CCP did not make high sec safer, because they did it wrong way. Even ganking can be removed from the game by making player weapons with safes not to shoot another capsuleers in High sec.

CCP cant design good systems for majority of players, they are catering to ilusionary space wikings in null. That is why they cant have more players.

ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴀ ɢᴀᴍᴇ ʜᴇʟᴘs ᴛᴏ ᴛᴇʟʟ ᴀ sᴛᴏʀʏ 📕

ᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ᴀɴɢʀʏ ᴄᴏɴᴄᴏʀᴅ ɢᴜʏ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʏᴏᴜ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ʜɪᴍ

ᴏsᴘʀᴇʏ 🚀

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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#148 - 2016-07-22 12:02:13 UTC
I'm not talking about myself so stop with the "you" I'm merely offering an opinion.

I do whatever I want to in the game as I learnt a long time ago to have standby alts so in a wardec I just laugh and carry on.

But how about addressing the other points? Or are you just interested in more targets rather than any other aspect of the game?

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#149 - 2016-07-22 12:04:49 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I will not speak for all those players, they have speak up on many accasions themselves in CCP pools. In my case it was a perspective to fly a spaceship and walk in stations. Doing spaceshippy stuff.
Ironically, the CCP did not make high sec safer, because they did it wrong way. Even ganking can be removed from the game by making player weapons with safes not to shoot another capsuleers in High sec.

CCP cant design good systems for majority of players, they are catering to ilusionary space wikings in null. That is why they cant have more players.

Well believe it or not they really do seem to be trying to accomodate you - and as slow/bumpy as the road may be, this is actually much faster/smoother than most EVE changes have *historically* been.

Only time will tell - but I suspect in a few years they may get EVE close to the state you want it in. Give them some time and see how it goes.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#150 - 2016-07-22 12:07:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Drago Shouna wrote:
I'm not talking about myself so stop with the "you" I'm merely offering an opinion.

I do whatever I want to in the game as I learnt a long time ago to have standby alts so in a wardec I just laugh and carry on.

But how about addressing the other points? Or are you just interested in more targets rather than any other aspect of the game?

I was addressing the other points as well. PvE in EVE has always been a joke. Until the past couple of years we didn't even have the events. It was literally just the same canned missions/anomalies/etc from 2003....Pathetic as the modern additions are....they are competing with *nothing whatsoever*....so it is "progress"

CCP has never explained their updates, and historically they have always been half-finished and buggy. You are lucky, because the past few years have again seen drastic improvements in that department.

You can imagine some glorious golden past all you want - but the past few years have seen *more* game development done *better* than ever before in EVE's history...




edit: Semi-Unrelated side-note:
I personally don't much care for the direction EVE is heading - this is why *I* have unsubscribed.

However, I'm not saying they don't need to go there to survive. I can see how far the game has fallen into chaos and abuse with the current mechanics - and I don't particularly enjoy the blanket-dec or ganking environment myself, even though it doesn't *directly* affect me. Something has to change - and CCP is changing it. I honestly think if you just hang in there and give them a few more years they'll bring the game into the modern age and it will be a lot better for most players.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#151 - 2016-07-22 12:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
I will not speak for all those players, they have speak up on many accasions themselves in CCP pools. In my case it was a perspective to fly a spaceship and walk in stations. Doing spaceshippy stuff.
Ironically, the CCP did not make high sec safer, because they did it wrong way. Even ganking can be removed from the game by making player weapons with safes not to shoot another capsuleers in High sec.

CCP cant design good systems for majority of players, they are catering to ilusionary space wikings in null. That is why they cant have more players.

Well believe it or not they really do seem to be trying to accomodate you - and as slow/bumpy as the road may be, this is actually much faster/smoother than most EVE changes have *historically* been.

Only time will tell - but I suspect in a few years they may get EVE close to the state you want it in. Give them some time and see how it goes.

Half assed attempts to keep the spirit of EVE in majority to satisfy current players. CCP was always afraid they will lose the precious few pleyers they had, so they made only small iterations. That speeds up the process of consolidating around the system flaws and removes those who see them clearly and dont agree with sitiation its heading into. Spirit of EVE was always this harsh one. CCP could not separate it to null sec, they always wanted everyone to move to null because of big space battles and once in a while a news header. You could see that they did when the war broke up. There was player surge, but it dropped again when the war was over. A small succes, shortlived. CCP was fixated on wrong things all those 13 years to talk about more players now. Game has reputation of being overly cruel to common carebear, so they will not have those other players that only in option give something about wardecs and wars.

ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴀ ɢᴀᴍᴇ ʜᴇʟᴘs ᴛᴏ ᴛᴇʟʟ ᴀ sᴛᴏʀʏ 📕

ᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ᴀɴɢʀʏ ᴄᴏɴᴄᴏʀᴅ ɢᴜʏ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʏᴏᴜ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ʜɪᴍ

ᴏsᴘʀᴇʏ 🚀

≡⋁≡ ♥
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#152 - 2016-07-22 12:26:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Nana Skalski wrote:
Half assed attempts to keep the spirit of EVE in majority to satisfy current players. CCP was always afraid they will lose the precious few pleyers they had, so they made only small iterations. That speeds up the process of consolidating around the system flaws and removes those who see them clearly and dont agree with sitiation its heading into. Spirit of EVE was always this harsh one. CCP could not separate it to null sec, they always wanted everyone to move to null because of big space battles and once in a while a news header. You could see that they did when the war broke up. There was player surge, but it dropped again when the war was over. A small succes, shortlived. CCP was fixated on wrong things all those 13 years to talk about more players now. Game has reputation of being overly cruel to common carebear, so they will not have those other players that only in option give something about wardecs and wars.

I think they may have finally given up on trying to hold on to their original player-base - at least outside of 0.0, and possibly even there soon.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#153 - 2016-07-22 12:29:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
No, I dont believe even wardec changes that will come, will bring new kind of players, but they will make stay some a bit longer.

Nothing can help to bring new kind of players to this game. Current game market is even against it.

ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴀ ɢᴀᴍᴇ ʜᴇʟᴘs ᴛᴏ ᴛᴇʟʟ ᴀ sᴛᴏʀʏ 📕

ᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ᴀɴɢʀʏ ᴄᴏɴᴄᴏʀᴅ ɢᴜʏ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʏᴏᴜ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ʜɪᴍ

ᴏsᴘʀᴇʏ 🚀

≡⋁≡ ♥
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#154 - 2016-07-22 12:49:05 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
I'm not talking about myself so stop with the "you" I'm merely offering an opinion.

I do whatever I want to in the game as I learnt a long time ago to have standby alts so in a wardec I just laugh and carry on.

But how about addressing the other points? Or are you just interested in more targets rather than any other aspect of the game?

I was addressing the other points as well. PvE in EVE has always been a joke. Until the past couple of years we didn't even have the events. It was literally just the same canned missions/anomalies/etc from 2003....Pathetic as the modern additions are....they are competing with *nothing whatsoever*....so it is "progress"

CCP has never explained their updates, and historically they have always been half-finished and buggy. You are lucky, because the past few years have again seen drastic improvements in that department.

You can imagine some glorious golden past all you want - but the past few years have seen *more* game development done *better* than ever before in EVE's history...




edit: Semi-Unrelated side-note:
I personally don't much care for the direction EVE is heading - this is why *I* have unsubscribed.

However, I'm not saying they don't need to go there to survive. I can see how far the game has fallen into chaos and abuse with the current mechanics - and I don't particularly enjoy the blanket-dec or ganking environment myself, even though it doesn't *directly* affect me. Something has to change - and CCP is changing it. I honestly think if you just hang in there and give them a few more years they'll bring the game into the modern age and it will be a lot better for most players.



I'm not imaging some golden past as I have only been here for 4 years and a few months, but in that time one thing is a blazing fact, and that is that the player base has seen a constant decline despite all the updates. It's still declining albeit at a slower pace.

One thing is clear though, there is one recurring theme in that all time, that "appears" to be one of the main things behind the decline.

I came close to un-subbing recently myself, I even re-activated my WoW and Dofus accounts but decided to wait for the Citadel expansion. It promised a lot but inevitably offered virtually nothing to myself as a Miner/Industrialist/Explorer and Mission runner, so now I'm stuck waiting for the next iteration of it, will it offer me something or will it be another let down? Time will tell I suppose.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#155 - 2016-07-22 12:49:25 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
No, I dont believe even wardec changes that will come, will bring new kind of players, but they will make stay some a bit longer.

Nothing can help to bring new kind of players to this game. Current game market is even against it.

Time will tell - but if they keep trying to ride the fence EVE may just finally die.

I mean people like me are quitting now because they *are* making changes to appeal to the modern gamer....If the modern gamers also quit because they drag their feet or just can't make the game appealing they aren't going to be left with much...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Flitz Farseeker
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2016-07-22 12:53:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Flitz Farseeker
[pedant on]
If there really were less players every year then the peak number of users would have been in the first year of the game, which is not the case and can be clearly seen in various graphs including the one on eve-offline.net.
[pedant off]

Possible reasons numbers are down at the moment include summer holidays, Pokemon Go and the Donald. Blink


P.S. Posting in yet another 'EvE is dying' thread! Of which, there have been approximately one every month* since I started playing.
*Sometimes more in the summer.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#157 - 2016-07-22 12:56:14 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
No, I dont believe even wardec changes that will come, will bring new kind of players, but they will make stay some a bit longer.

Nothing can help to bring new kind of players to this game. Current game market is even against it.

Time will tell - but if they keep trying to ride the fence EVE may just finally die.

I mean people like me are quitting now because they *are* making changes to appeal to the modern gamer....If the modern gamers also quit because they drag their feet or just can't make the game appealing they aren't going to be left with much...

Problem with all games that try to combine all PvE and PvP. You cant satisfy one part without the other if you keep them too close. Separating them but still keeping the ties that they like is a hard thing. CCP in their atempts tried to make it. We still play this game is not a complete failure from them.

ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴀ ɢᴀᴍᴇ ʜᴇʟᴘs ᴛᴏ ᴛᴇʟʟ ᴀ sᴛᴏʀʏ 📕

ᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ᴀɴɢʀʏ ᴄᴏɴᴄᴏʀᴅ ɢᴜʏ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʏᴏᴜ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ʜɪᴍ

ᴏsᴘʀᴇʏ 🚀

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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#158 - 2016-07-22 12:59:37 UTC
Flitz Farseeker wrote:
[pedant on]
If there really were less players every year then the peak number of users would have been in the first year of the game, which is not the case and can be clearly seen in various graphs including the one on eve-offline.net.
[pedant off]

Possible reasons numbers are down at the moment include summer holidays, Pokemon Go and the Donald. Blink



Nope it's nothing to do with any of that.

When I started playing in 2012 there was nearly always 50k+ players on at most times of the day, now we struggle to see a regular 20k+ online even at peak times. Even the stats from CCP show a big decline in users.

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#159 - 2016-07-22 13:08:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Drago Shouna wrote:
Flitz Farseeker wrote:
[pedant on]
If there really were less players every year then the peak number of users would have been in the first year of the game, which is not the case and can be clearly seen in various graphs including the one on eve-offline.net.
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Possible reasons numbers are down at the moment include summer holidays, Pokemon Go and the Donald. Blink



Nope it's nothing to do with any of that.

When I started playing in 2012 there was nearly always 50k+ players on at most times of the day, now we struggle to see a regular 20k+ online even at peak times. Even the stats from CCP show a big decline in users.

Interestingly the peak came in early 2013 - just before they doubled down and re-released micro-transactions into the game and began their modern development plan/cycle....

A paranoid person might think it was related...

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#160 - 2016-07-22 13:25:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Another matter is their attempts to milk everyone with these things like skins and clothing, skins are not worth as much for a player to give out such money on them. And they are not customizable. Only for particular hull. I was never a fan of the implementation, and I dont see much people who are.

Same was with Incarna.

Maybe we can see a pattern there is.
Players wait for something, and when its not what they wanted (CCP to blame for not keeping up to the word like with demos on fanfests), they leave en masse. Only those who doeasnt really bother with it, stay.

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