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Every year, there are less users playing, why??

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1501 - 2016-08-15 20:14:27 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Explorers: The only group in EVE who are actually *angry* that CCP made what they do *easier*

I mean, I understand why, I really do. I'm not saying you are wrong to be angry. I'd be angry too, if I were an explorer...

But it is kind of funny, if you think about it...



Well, it'd be the same if you built a nice highway to the top of Mount Everest. Sure, Average Joe would be happy, he'd bring his son, wife and dog and have a nice pic-nic.

However, mountain climbers would throw a fit: one of the biggest challenges, a sort of ritual of initiation, has just been destroyed.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1502 - 2016-08-15 20:25:17 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Explorers: The only group in EVE who are actually *angry* that CCP made what they do *easier*

I mean, I understand why, I really do. I'm not saying you are wrong to be angry. I'd be angry too, if I were an explorer...

But it is kind of funny, if you think about it...



Well, it'd be the same if you built a nice highway to the top of Mount Everest. Sure, Average Joe would be happy, he'd bring his son, wife and dog and have a nice pic-nic.

However, mountain climbers would throw a fit: one of the biggest challenges, a sort of ritual of initiation, has just been destroyed.


I have to agree that scanning and probing were better when it was an actual challange. Good probers were a valued asset.
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1503 - 2016-08-15 20:57:27 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


No, really. Fleets are also those made by a 5-12 guys, they are the most fun and, for sure, you can't get away with them just by spamming F1.

I am very subjective on this, for my own self, below 20-30 guys it's still "fleet", above that it's "blob". I hate blobs and mob mentality in general. I repeat, it's subjective of me. However, since I care about my opinion(!), I am not going to pour time or money on something that rewards blobs far more than "interactive" PvP.


Your very subjective and simplistic opinions, make you look very simpleminded IMO and deevalutes the impression you deliever making your point harder to take serious. For example consider that some people might enjoy occationally the social chatter on coms, not everything is about skill. I have been in bigger fleets with some fantastic solo PvPers who likes to fleet up, does that make them F1 monkeys with mob mentality? Logi and Support roles can be very demanding in bigger fleets and require good skills.

I also think people often misunderstand blobs... Nobody in my experience (mostly lowsec FW) makes a 40 man fleet to kill you in your solo pwn mobile. They do it to fight samesized fleets. The occational passing neutral will be shot to keep up morale as not getting any action will make people logoff. It is not that they could not solo you, it is that they are being social and looking for a challenging fleet to kill together with friends.

TLDR. Consider not writing something so full of prejudice, derailing the thread when you have clearly not really thought about the different motives people could have for joining bigger fleets.




"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

Nitshe Razvedka
#1504 - 2016-08-15 22:02:13 UTC
Code spews cancer on the game til nothing lives.

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Nitshe Razvedka
#1505 - 2016-08-15 22:04:23 UTC
typical of this generation of junkie degenerate slackers who want to take but not contribute

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1506 - 2016-08-15 22:05:31 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
typical of this generation of junkie degenerate slackers who want to take but not contribute

Which generation are you then?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
#1507 - 2016-08-15 22:19:42 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
typical of this generation of junkie degenerate slackers who want to take but not contribute

So what is a largely solo playstyle miner that is AFK for a majority of the time contributing?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1508 - 2016-08-15 22:30:50 UTC
Lex Gabinia wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
typical of this generation of junkie degenerate slackers who want to take but not contribute

So what is a largely solo playstyle miner that is AFK for a majority of the time contributing?


Crushed rocks of varying size.
Jacques d'Orleans
#1509 - 2016-08-15 22:43:56 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
typical of this generation of junkie degenerate slackers who want to take but not contribute


No need to be so overly self-critical. TwistedRollTwisted
Maraner
The Executioners
#1510 - 2016-08-15 22:53:20 UTC
How is it that we can routinely have these large threads that rack up thousands of view and posts without a Dev commenting.

I suppose there is nothing in it for them, are they going to sit and argue that the game is not in trouble? Would be refreshing at least.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1511 - 2016-08-15 23:31:14 UTC
Maraner wrote:
How is it that we can routinely have these large threads that rack up thousands of view and posts without a Dev commenting.

I suppose there is nothing in it for them, are they going to sit and argue that the game is not in trouble? Would be refreshing at least.



They are on Reddit.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#1512 - 2016-08-16 00:04:16 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Code spews cancer on the game til nothing lives.



Well luckily they have you to defend them...oh what's that? You do absolutely F**k all to this so called cancer?

What was that you said about this generation of junkie degenerate slackers who want to take but not contribute nothing? Was that self analysis?

*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."

Onictus
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1513 - 2016-08-16 01:26:47 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
The problem is this: you can't market a scary, complex, ruthless dystopian universe with great success for a decade, and then wear some $1000 jeans and make it a shallow, pale, idiot-friendly ghost of its former self.

Maybe by keeping EvE "true" to its mission, players would bleed anyway, because we are witnessing an epocal shift towards simpleton oriented, huge expendable playerbase free to play stuff. And also, towards a "press F1 in 1k fleet" brainless sheep.

But by making EvE a "stuck in the middle" game deluding old-timers while still not attracting enough simpletons, is going to get the bad of both decisions.


This I can agree with.

Well, All but the F1 nonsense, Fleet fights aren't about individual skill, they are about cooperation and participating in something epic, the only people who complain about 'f1 monkeys' are solo pvp'rs who think they are special lol.


No, really. Fleets are also those made by a 5-12 guys, they are the most fun and, for sure, you can't get away with them just by spamming F1.

I am very subjective on this, for my own self, below 20-30 guys it's still "fleet", above that it's "blob". I hate blobs and mob mentality in general. I repeat, it's subjective of me. However, since I care about my opinion(!), I am not going to pour time or money on something that rewards blobs far more than "interactive" PvP.


So toss most of the fleet PvP in the game because it doesn't match your arbitrary definition.

You want interactive in "the blob? fly a logi or a tackle, its the EXACT same thing as smaller ganks in low, but with sharks in the water.

Bonus points for dual boxing a logi and a DPS ship.
Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
#1514 - 2016-08-16 04:01:15 UTC
The forums here are also a ghost town compared to the 2006-2012 era. I think it all happens on reddit now including dev responses to most issues and I can't bring myself to browse the eve subreddit it's cringe worthy (even more so than these forums these days).

As someone who has played since 2006, I think eve really is dying this time. It'll be free to play inside 2 years if not sooner. It feels like the reanimated corpse of a once great game tbh.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1515 - 2016-08-16 05:29:23 UTC
Gneeznow wrote:
The forums here are also a ghost town compared to the 2006-2012 era. I think it all happens on reddit now including dev responses to most issues and I can't bring myself to browse the eve subreddit it's cringe worthy (even more so than these forums these days).

As someone who has played since 2006, I think eve really is dying this time. It'll be free to play inside 2 years if not sooner. It feels like the reanimated corpse of a once great game tbh.



I asked a question about a feature on Reddit (I don't use my own handle there) and got a reply from a dev in 7 hours.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Nitshe Razvedka
#1516 - 2016-08-16 05:49:47 UTC
We need to step back from ongoing petty squabbles people, and look to the big picture.

We need to make Empire Great Again.


For too long we have let Hillary types along with anarchists, 'progressives', codies and members of ISIS run amuck in our beloved EVE.



For those who love; freedom, liberty, bacon, the smell of bacon cooking and Bald Eagles, the time is now to push back and reclaim our Eve.





We need strong and decisive leadership on this issue.







We need a Donald to give Eve a good enema.

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#1517 - 2016-08-16 06:02:36 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
For those who love; freedom, liberty, bacon, the smell of bacon cooking and Bald Eagles, the time is now to push back and reclaim our Eve.


Freedom to do what I want? Check
Liberty? Check
Bald Eagle bacon? Check

See, we're really the same.

*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."

Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1518 - 2016-08-16 06:17:54 UTC
eve is dying....maybe...

did any of you give a look to the 07 Show yesterday?

I did and I almost died of boredom.

After a intro where they said they are back from holiday ( we noticed it ) they showed some amazing (sigh) new skins, a presentation from the executive producer that increased my boredom quite much, the presentation of new mining ships look (sigh again, eve mining is the most boredom playgame activity existing) and so on...

the only funny part was a teenager in his bedroom ( no, well he probably lives there, down the bed and in front of pc then back to bed at night everyday ) that makes amazing ( and I am not criticizing here, they are really funny ) videos on youtube...
Nitshe Razvedka
#1519 - 2016-08-16 06:29:21 UTC
#baconmatters

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1520 - 2016-08-16 07:15:12 UTC
Onictus wrote:


So toss most of the fleet PvP in the game because it doesn't match your arbitrary definition.

You want interactive in "the blob? fly a logi or a tackle, its the EXACT same thing as smaller ganks in low, but with sharks in the water.

Bonus points for dual boxing a logi and a DPS ship.


I have clearly indicated, twice, how that's my personal opinion. Personal opinion is not "WHAA I want EvE changed NAO!"

Besides that, I have played Tackle (I hate logi with a passion due to... experiences I had in 2005) in blobs, and it was hugely less fun than playing tackle in small scale. Yes, two of my accounts have been in a big alliance, so I had all the chances to learn what blobbing and structure bashing at 3am is about.