EVE General Discussion

1. You don't need 2 accounts. Get friends.

2. If they can't be as organized, then they should not expect similar results.

See, Shae Tadaruwa, bean counting tends to yield to a mono-chrome view of reality. It's better being able to swiftly connect the dots than pin pointing details that pertain to a large number of irrelevant guys who are never going to dent into emerging gameplay.

It's also extremely boring to have to slow down and tediously explain concepts that Dirty Forum Alt caught in a second.

I don't think you got the rethorical aspect of my post.

I made an example of a person (myself) who fully understands and lived in first person the point of those who tell "get friends". In fact, my dozens ships 0.0 corp ops shold quite hint at having a good deal of friends.

However I can wanted to walk in somebody else's shoes, to be able to understand those who won't get friends.


Sadly for me, you, and many others, the latter are increasing over time.

See, one soon day we'll get to the point where you won't be able to tell them: "deal with it or leave", because they already chose the "leave". This is an option that is going to hurt you, not them, because if the "old style" EvE players drop to low numbers enough, EvE is going to shut down.

It's funny I have seen people accurately looking down bean counting how many players play with 1 or 2 subs and maybe how many of them wear polka dots shirts but the one who took 5 minutes in 2011 to predict (with a chart) EvE's playerbase current trend is me.

Can you try again, and this time make it coherent? Here, let me show you,



That sentence is incoherent. It makes no sense. At all. And I'm talking about the typo. The word "ships" looks like it should not be there. Further, that it should have the word "of" in there somewhere, something like,

"In fact, the dozens of 0.0 corp ops I have participated in should hint at having a good deal of friends."

But then that raises the question of: Ok, so what? You got friends in game. Don't they help you when you need it?

If I need a cyno, a scout, or other help I ask in corp chat, alliance chat, post on the forums, etc. and usually somebody helps me. I can also send out a ping on slack, see who is on TS. I don't have to log in an alt account, and even though I could sometimes my alts are not well placed and under JC timers.



Again, what? That my rhetoric his bad? That when somebody says, "A game that requires 2 or more subs is not fair." And my response is you don't have to get a second account, get a friend....is rhetorically bad? Maybe it is blunt, but FFS I have been seeing this whine so much it is well past being debunked.

As for the rest, it just seems a mess.

Yep, making ISK early on is a struggle if you are going to stick with some of the more obvious approaches that CCP gives you right off the bat like mining or missions. Once you get skilled enough you can make decent ISK, but again that means time or money for injectors.

Even some of the methods you can get into somewhat early on like Planetary Interaction are not high on the fun scale and would mean delaying training other "fun skills" longer.

Some additional options are:

1. Find a new player friendly corp/alliance that will help with ship costs.
2. Scamming.
3. Corp thefts (get into a corp and rob them blind).

In Eve you do not grind for XP/the next level, that happens with time, instead we grind for ISK, and early on it can suck.

I myself started by selling a GTC (Game Time Card which was for 60 days) as my starting capital and went from there. The things I did are no longer a good source of income (the DED sites in Gallente space would drop nice modules that sold for a nice amount of ISK, now they are worth next a fraction of their old value). Eventually I moved on to invention and planetary interaction.

Station trading is supposedly good ISK, but part of the problem is that it is also boring, at least IMO.

Also, look at EVE New Citizen Q&A Via google I found a number of threads on how to make ISK, but some were rather dated. If you do post there, be sure to note you did look at older threads, but they are older and you don't know if their recommendations are still valid.

Reality none the less.

Much better than just making up 'facts' on a belief they are true because they conveniently happen to agree with what I think.

Your claim that Eve requires more than one account is clearly not the reality at all, no matter how much you try to dismiss the evidence that is available.

Certain activities are best performed with multiple characters. Actually, I can't think of an activity in game that is made worse with the support of alts and everything I can think of in the game is improved with that support.

That is not the same as a claim that the game requires more than one account. Most of the players in the game don't play that way (and those of us on the forum are the very special nerds that probably have a higher percentage of multiple accounts - though that is just an opinion. I can't validate that view).

thank you for that- made my day again

Keep 'em coming!

Have kids. :)

--Gadget

I love your attitude

So we should all talk like Master from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome?

Embargo on!