EVE General Discussion

Well let's just give all ships a standard stat and be gone with everything else.

No, since they aren't great C3 solo boats anymore.

You're joking right?

But the Gila IS too good so that kinda makes your statement moot.

Let's just say the amount of "OP" ships and strategies is staggering.

Therefore I submit none of these are actually overpowered; it's about knowing how to use it and under which circumstances.

Within a same class of ships (eg 'pirate faction cruisers'), there is some room for comparison... would you like to see what an Orthrus can do? Did you know our Cynabals eat Gilas like popcorn? Vigilant? Lemme guess: those are also OP- must be that, right?



edit: typoes.

If im applying 400 dps a second to your svipul and you dont have support, you are dead in 50 seconds. If im using a ship with a 25k tank and your doing 200 dps applied, i win. Even if your shooting 400 dps i still win. And thats just straight out brawling. There are so many more options i have since we didnt specify the svipul is OPed compared to what.

My confessor gets about another 4k EHP and another 75 dps over the svipul. Does that make it more OPed than the svipul?No. Each has its benefits and drawbacks. Each have situation use. Now when you use either in a group say with logi then the drawbacks become less. But then if you are fighting a gang of t3s with another gang , they are not hard ships to alpha to death.

The same applies for all ships in this game. I can counter any ship in the game with another ship and/or fit(read: multiple ships and fits) and win provided our skill points are equal and numbers are equal. However, this is never the case in eve. In eve someone always has the advantage and someone the disadvantage.


I know because balancing threads arent about balance, they are about whining about a ship being OPed because someone got owned in one and they have no clue how to counter it. So instead of enhancing their game knowledge they CCPLEASE!!!! This is eve not rock, paper, scissors.



We will use the cerb as an example because i know several alliances that have a cerb doctrine( ironically no one is complaining this ship is OPed). the cerb has three general fits. The reason why alliances use cerbs is because you can use rapid lights to take out small targets. This is good against alliances that fly smaller light tanked stuff. It does good dps at a decent range. But the reload time could really hurt you when using against heavier tanked targets with logi support. The HML fit is very long range. Allowing your fleet to sit at over 100 km away. This basically allows you to snipe at targets and apply alpha without getting in bubble/tackle/ewar range. It applies lower but more constant dps at a longer range. The third fit is HAMs. Hams provide the most DPS of the 3. But they are short range. Your fleet needs to be in the range of bubbles/tackle and will be in optimal of pretty much all ewar.

I can do all 3 fits on the same cerb changing out the highs and one/two lows/mids if any. This makes it versatile and hence why it is popular with alliances.

Now if you compare the gila to the cerb, the gila does more dps. Well it is a pirate cruiser. It also uses a mixed weapon system. So you have duel train on both ships and weapon systems. The cerb as the advantage of applying damage at range. A cerb can apply 500 dps at 100 km. The gila is a short range brawler and because of its heavy use of drones it needs to stay under 50km and ideally in brawler range. The gila is also more expensive than the cerb.

The svipul, which is this months featured whine, Is a bltiz ship. It made to get in, kill stuff, and gtfo. Its good for roaming, entosis defense/attack, picking off stragglers, and dealing with smaller threats and people who try to do sov warfare in mixed trash ship fleet. Against an organized fleet it will melt like butter.

Yes that is exactly what i said *facepalm*...

...Its like trying to teach my dog to speak Chinese.

Im not talking one svipul against a fleet. Im talking fleet against fleet. No one cares about solo play. You cant balance Eve on solo play. You have to balance it on fleet play. But its not that hard to defeat 1v1 either.

My god. You're hijaaking the Gila thread to complain about svipuls? Is easy: Osprey Navy, Augoror Navy, Rupture, even a Sabre can give it a run for the money, ..... lots of counters really.

Usually, people complain about different kinds of Svipuls but guess what: you can't do all those things at the same time or with the same fit. The "cancer instalock uhuhuhuuuu u shveepulll OP must nerf" dies to a properly flown Firetail.

Then there's the tanky AC Svip, which dies to a navy faction cruiser, a Caracal, a Rupture, something along those lines.

Then there's the Artillery-haha-gotcha Alpha / kiting Svipul, which is equally vulnerable just to different kinds of cruiser.

And then there's the fleet Svipul with resists and low sig radius; mostly a pest because of the Kirins and Scalpels supporting it. Apply neuts where appropriate.

Of course, if all this sounds like Svipul + Svipul + Svipul + Svipul, THEN it's OP. But you can't do all that in one package-- fitting choices are important here. It doesn't do 300 DPS AND 26k tank AND 1130mm scanres AND 2600 m/sec. It can do either/or, but not all at the same time, and that 26k tank does require T2 rigs and faction mods. Apples and oranges.

Le omg Svipul dies quite well to throwaway Thrashers too, fyi.

Can we now please get back on topic of the Gila?

Why would we need to? It's not just a counter, it's overkill. If we're talking about counters in the context of matching ships, for the sake of balance, then other T3 destroyers are fine for killing svips, especially the confessor, if you know how to confessor right. The same could be said for the svip though - it's just not that good unless you know what you're doing with it, same as anything.

Thats an obvious given. Or at least i thought it was obvious.Tackle, launch drones, go get a drink, loot wreck, profit?

That is the problem. Some people know what they are doing, therefore, CCP should nerf people and not ships. Remember folks, guns dont kill people, people kill people. And people who know what they are doing can kill you with a tin tea cup.

Yes the gila is OPed because someone knows how to fly it. Therefore, for balance purposes, it should only be allowed 1 drone, no low slots, and have to fly in reverse while only able to make left hand turns.