EVE General Discussion

Most people have answered the questions posed already but Ill add my two cents.

Way back in the day you could go up to +10 standing as well as -10. But it was so easy to go into null and rat for a single day or two to get the standings back from -10 that CCP changed it to +5 and made rats count less to standings. Like others alluded to you could get positive standings for factions only so you could be +10 with all factions and have had the +10 standings with concord as well with all the enviable results. Reprocessing in stations was perfect at 6.66 corp standing status, POSs before the changes needed 8.0 standings to anchor in a 0.8 system, 7.0 for 0.7, etc and of course agents needed the required faction standings. These were all tied into concord standings as one and the same but again CCP took those and divided the two. Btw if you have low Concord standings avoid the Concord systems as they will do the same if you are KOS as if you committed a criminal act anywhere.

The sec status gains above 5.0 were still implemented last time I checked and there are two missions you can do ONCE in your eve career, like the COSMOS agents, that will reward you with that above 5.0 standings. Afaik you dont get anything other than the epeen badge of ultimate carebearism though. And if you lose that sec you will never get it back.

CCP has removed sec status and standings and their importance over the years and there is little to no reason to care anymore other than a slightly different playstyle. I like W33bl3's idea quite frankly to make it be a thing again. But the crying from the ganker crowd will put a sock in that fast. I also think that low sec needs to have way less of a standings hit for ships but not pods, but again I think this will fall on deaf ears.

I used to consider my sec status as a commodity that if not used was worthless. So I would go about until I was close to 5.0 and then go gank. You could get in about 6 or so ganks before you got near 0.0 again and then go on with your life. This changed when crimewatch came into effect as now you could sell your killrights. Before that knowing your target wouldnt ever come find you was most beneficial in selecting gank targets. But now they can sell your killright so its not as beneficial a commodity in the same way. But now of course theres so much isk having your own dedicated -10 gank alt is more a thing.... or having 2, 5 or 10 like some people out there do.

I would love to see it BE a commodity much like tags for sec. Have those with high sec extract and sell tags to those with low sec for isk as well. Or at least something. ANYTHING is better than what it is now. I used to matter and Id love to see stuff matter again. But I think like real life its just imaginary.

There is NO beneficial reason to have a higher sec status and it is a shame on CCPs part. But with so many of the player base crying about "REAL" issues that need fixing Im sure something like sec status and standings are likely on the **** pile of the totem pole over there far off to the left, no no way on back there over those mountain ranges, nope dont stop... clear across that ocean... yeaaah riiight about there.
So no I dont believe CCP will change it anytime soon besides making it easier for the masses like the anchoring POSs issue in high sec to cave to the nullbears thatd have to run missions!! OMG!! in high sec?!?! to get THAT much standings to put up a POS like the rest of the player base did so you can put up those compression arrays everywhere. But dedicated toons for ganking or whatever are just as common as dedicated mission runners, incursion runners or anom running. Ultimately people see work and effort and scream. To think in a game billed as deep and long term is too much most often. Hand it to me on a silver platter or let me just shoot them like fish in a barrel is more "fun" but sinks to the least common denominator factor.



Wow... yeah...that went way too long and kinda rantish at the end. LOL So Ill stop there now..... for now. no, no Ill never let you all off that easy.

Upset is a strong word. I am not upset, a little annoyed perhaps. Critiquing my writing style or content is something reserved for an teacher (I haven't consented to being in class:p) and tbh I find that once people resort to debating the grammar and word play they are scraping the barrel of their intellectual superiority buzz. Ralph further down this thread admits he skim read the post, which was perhaps an error on his part. I don't think my post lacks succinctness or verbosity, I write my way, you write yours, that's it. Perhaps it is more the case that people are used to a bitesize media barrage on the internet these days and something with more than one paragraph scares people away, which is something I dislike. My post aimed to ensure that my point was covered from all angles and backed up with a multifaceted perspective rather than a single point argument that lacked substance.

Glad you agree that there is a forum warrior brotherhood that shut people down for no reason. Yes it is a shame that you have to use something I did here to point out how wrong I am at being annoyed about someone else doing the same thing to me elsewhere, the difference is, I did it to make a point, you labelled what I said swill and yet have agreed that the party you are defending did the same thing, I think you call that a double standard.

Oh no worries, i am somewhat guilty of being an ireverant, flippant arse at times so you arent all that far from the mark.
This is a videogame forum after all

Ive known quite a few people that did this as an isk service over the years. Back when one guy did it I think he got almost 200mil at that time, it was more before hand of course for brand new POS anchoring corps. Make corp with a cool name, wait 7 days for standings to kick in and hand over to an alt for isk with 0 standings and boom you could go anchor your POSs.

Most people dont care if they go full on pirate but a lot of people dont do the faction missions running L4s for exactly this reason so as not to lock themselves out of space and content. In the end its the same with sec status locking you out of areas. Yes some get a bit too uptight about it and now with dedicated alts its not nearly as bad as it was before. It was ironically the same thing with clone grades stopping certain alts from partaking in different activities. In the end it is about choices but Id love to see some changes there, yet again its not high priority for the "base" game which is all about pew pew and moar pew pew and epeen waving.

But its a nice way to spend all that isk, stuff and standings you get every now and again by shooting someone in the face here and there. And frankly I wish more people would do it. I know people sure wish I would undock more and pew pew.... or maybe just be their friend.... or something.... Too late for that tbh.

As soon as I noticed that I got my security status to 5.0, I went out and ganked a miner...pod too. That got me down to 3.0 and some breathing room to get it back up at my own pace.

Like Mr. Mustachio said here, no real benefit so don't worry about it.

The advantage of positive sec status is that you look like a care bear. Then, if you rat in low sec systems, people will warp to you and get blown up. This is fun! (It's also fun if you get blown up yourself after a good fight!)

I had a lot more people picking fights with me back when I was +2 or +3 than now that I am -8... Now I have to go and look for fun instead of having fun come to me.


That, and travelling through high-sec is a lot less cumbersome if you have positive sec. But who cares about high-sec anyways...

Maybe we could get just a lot more praise that includes the word "amazing", and maybe a plaque or two, and the free eyeglasses and our name and mug posted on the big screen TV's (like that guy in the citadels trailer), if we're the biggest carebear with the most missions completed, or whatever.

Ya pretty much. The way the new camera performs, and the fact there is no in game browser anymore shows they have already crossed that line. I am a HUGE fan of how drone scanning works now though so at least there is that.

As for standing... I was actually half way through the cosmos missions when the anchoring change went into effect. I gave up and have no reason to even care anymore now.

i will hurt you if i can find you.

Hi
I'm a pirate main. Sec Status has this effect on my life:
1. PVPing none-low sec status people is a tiny bit harder as they get gate guns I don't
2. I had to pay CCP some money to train up a hauling alt as I didn't wanna lose the training time myself
3. My hauling skills on my main are kinda going to waste
4. Going to null can be scary as I have to jump through highsec and the nullbears camp the gate and tackle us on the way back home (BAD GAMEPLAY)

Suggestions to make the Sec Status thingymajiggy work better:
Remove Sec Status all together. Everyone w/o suspect/criminal timer gets gate gun defense in lowsec. Some Characters can go back to higshec. Gankers catalyst alts can go do other stuff (still can't undock for 10 minutes after a gank as criminal timer is in effect)