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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#21 - 2016-07-11 17:39:15 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
In an absolutely shocking turn of events, the OP starts talking trash and scamming Blink.


http://imgur.com/a/qC9B8



Hey I am just trying to be like you guysLol Should I spam links from CCP econ monthly review on eve economy like you greatly did thinking I am completely unaware of what I talk. Giving me Lennie's story. Here look, this is an econ paper and it says volume is quadrillion isk therefore unicorns. As I told you more, paranoidal tendency reigned supreme and you told me to do other things. You massively tried to suggest what should be my moves to collect people yet disregarding what I said about my prior experience. Also suggesting to start a casino scam or to trade for years was not one of your brilliant ideas, I am sure you can do better. Also, "the scamming" came from the need to verify market tendency, a small reality check on behaviour, and your reaction is part of it.

Do you really think that people that do illegal market operations(not talking about scam) really do so to profit from it? Well some do because they think they are smarter than everyone but some do so to evaluate unknown market or people or to scare off certain individuals, corporations. If you read carefully into the market manipulation and how it is done you will see what I mean, if you are even interested. Oh yes, I intend to do more in different ways because it shows players dynamics(not necesserely scams in it's sense until you lable one like that). People who know little call it scam until you tell them what it is about and then their words is quote"keep me in touch, when you get necessary people contact me" - literally everyone is doing that now.

Have you never heard of game theory? My methods might induce people into questioning, which is good thing but beforehand they must be unaware of the sampling for genuine response. This is not just some big names throwing, I mean the reasons behind certain actions have motives. Do you really think I need a PLEX?

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#22 - 2016-07-11 17:41:28 UTC  |  Edited by: William Legrand-Marx
Sella Lesbon wrote:
Sounds like station(citadel) seeding plan.



Citadel is not in the plan. It is too broad concept to use for activities which require global awareness and control over market tendencies. In other words, too small to have effect. Fleet of citadels... maybe, but that is not in initial stages if you to remain for more cycles, it might be an attempt.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#23 - 2016-07-11 17:43:33 UTC
Bobb Bobbington wrote:
If this is even real, let me see...

Trying to keep your plan unknown
Need lots of capital
Investors will be mostly buying assets
Investors will lose escrow if they "don't follow the plan"
Not allowed to back out mid-operation

Now, just let me take a shot in the dark here...
Large scale market manipulations?



Also better:

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go
A little high, little low
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to me

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#24 - 2016-07-11 17:48:21 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
In an absolutely shocking turn of events, the OP starts talking trash and scamming Blink.


http://imgur.com/a/qC9B8


I am disappointed in the poor quality of this scam. Where have all the good scammers gone?



I wonder how you see no sarcasm in the scam. I mean, purely greedy and unattentive person will fall for it or just the luck? There is no such thing. Scam is utterly a test of players.

EVE scammers created a high level of paranoia in those who are naive and fearsome. They infected those who posses some brain to spot the scam which inhibits me from progressing. Since I haven't been here for a while I wanted to confirm it and it looks like you have people literally exposing scams. New leap in last 7 years I must say.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#25 - 2016-07-11 20:34:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
In an absolutely shocking turn of events, the OP starts talking trash and scamming Blink.


http://imgur.com/a/qC9B8



Hey I am just trying to be like you guysLol Should I spam links from CCP econ monthly review on eve economy like you greatly did thinking I am completely unaware of what I talk. Giving me Lennie's story. Here look, this is an econ paper and it says volume is quadrillion isk therefore unicorns. As I told you more, paranoidal tendency reigned supreme and you told me to do other things. You massively tried to suggest what should be my moves to collect people yet disregarding what I said about my prior experience. Also suggesting to start a casino scam or to trade for years was not one of your brilliant ideas, I am sure you can do better. Also, "the scamming" came from the need to verify market tendency, a small reality check on behaviour, and your reaction is part of it.

Do you really think that people that do illegal market operations(not talking about scam) really do so to profit from it? Well some do because they think they are smarter than everyone but some do so to evaluate unknown market or people or to scare off certain individuals, corporations. If you read carefully into the market manipulation and how it is done you will see what I mean, if you are even interested. Oh yes, I intend to do more in different ways because it shows players dynamics(not necesserely scams in it's sense until you lable one like that). People who know little call it scam until you tell them what it is about and then their words is quote"keep me in touch, when you get necessary people contact me" - literally everyone is doing that now.

Have you never heard of game theory? My methods might induce people into questioning, which is good thing but beforehand they must be unaware of the sampling for genuine response. This is not just some big names throwing, I mean the reasons behind certain actions have motives. Do you really think I need a PLEX?


I was trying to help you out in our conversation, because at the moment you're making yourself look like a fool. As I said before, your real life experience is irrelevant here, all that matters is what happens in EVE, and you've made it very clear you don't know what you're talking about. Your scam didn't work because it's a terrible one which requires spamming 23/7 for several days to catch someone who is drunk/asleep enough with a specific item in their hangar to fall for it.

There are all manner of reasons for why people scam, I would guess that ISK is a big one, especially for those spamming or botting in Jita. I can tell you think you're smarter than all of us, we won't know for sure I guess, but it sure looks like the Dunning–Kruger effect.

I'd guess game theory would dictate that you don't make terrible posts like this.

William Legrand-Marx wrote:

I wonder how you see no sarcasm in the scam. I mean, purely greedy and unattentive person will fall for it or just the luck? There is no such thing. Scam is utterly a test of players.

EVE scammers created a high level of paranoia in those who are naive and fearsome. They infected those who posses some brain to spot the scam which inhibits me from progressing. Since I haven't been here for a while I wanted to confirm it and it looks like you have people literally exposing scams. New leap in last 7 years I must say.


Ya know this is the internet, right? It's hard to read sarcasm from this:-

Quote:
William Legrand-Marx > 30 Day Pilot's License Extention (PLEX)


The only thing preventing you from progressing is yourself.
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#26 - 2016-07-11 20:56:56 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
In an absolutely shocking turn of events, the OP starts talking trash and scamming Blink.


http://imgur.com/a/qC9B8



Hey I am just trying to be like you guysLol Should I spam links from CCP econ monthly review on eve economy like you greatly did thinking I am completely unaware of what I talk. Giving me Lennie's story. Here look, this is an econ paper and it says volume is quadrillion isk therefore unicorns. As I told you more, paranoidal tendency reigned supreme and you told me to do other things. You massively tried to suggest what should be my moves to collect people yet disregarding what I said about my prior experience. Also suggesting to start a casino scam or to trade for years was not one of your brilliant ideas, I am sure you can do better. Also, "the scamming" came from the need to verify market tendency, a small reality check on behaviour, and your reaction is part of it.

Do you really think that people that do illegal market operations(not talking about scam) really do so to profit from it? Well some do because they think they are smarter than everyone but some do so to evaluate unknown market or people or to scare off certain individuals, corporations. If you read carefully into the market manipulation and how it is done you will see what I mean, if you are even interested. Oh yes, I intend to do more in different ways because it shows players dynamics(not necesserely scams in it's sense until you lable one like that). People who know little call it scam until you tell them what it is about and then their words is quote"keep me in touch, when you get necessary people contact me" - literally everyone is doing that now.

Have you never heard of game theory? My methods might induce people into questioning, which is good thing but beforehand they must be unaware of the sampling for genuine response. This is not just some big names throwing, I mean the reasons behind certain actions have motives. Do you really think I need a PLEX?


I was trying to help you out in our conversation, because at the moment you're making yourself look like a fool. As I said before, your real life experience is irrelevant here, all that matters is what happens in EVE, and you've made it very clear you don't know what you're talking about. Your scam didn't work because it's a terrible one which requires spamming 23/7 for several days to catch someone who is drunk/asleep enough with a specific item in the hangar to fall for it.

There are all manner of reasons for why people scam, I would guess that ISK is a big one, especially for those spamming or botting in Jita. I can tell you think you're smarter than all of us, we won't know for sure I guess, but it sure looks like the Dunning–Kruger effect.

I'd guess game theory would dictate that you don't make terrible posts like this.

William Legrand-Marx wrote:

I wonder how you see no sarcasm in the scam. I mean, purely greedy and unattentive person will fall for it or just the luck? There is no such thing. Scam is utterly a test of players.

EVE scammers created a high level of paranoia in those who are naive and fearsome. They infected those who posses some brain to spot the scam which inhibits me from progressing. Since I haven't been here for a while I wanted to confirm it and it looks like you have people literally exposing scams. New leap in last 7 years I must say.


Ya know this is the internet, right? It's hard to read sarcasm from this:-

Quote:
William Legrand-Marx > 30 Day Pilot's License Extention (PLEX)


The only thing preventing your from progressing is yourself.



Surely, I am the guy who knows nothing of what happens in EVE yet I am superior to everyone. I am afraid, you are wrong. More to it, you make assumptions based on what you do yourself. Just by denegrating yourself with everyone else doesn't make people stand with you against me, unless they fall for such fallacies. If you really think that I would tell everything in a go to an unknown person right away, you are sadly mistaken and most probably you saw that in my post and n the convo. Game theory, dear person, works fine with those who tend to oversee and be hasty. Post, convo, what I said, what I did, whom I joined, it can all be part of the game or not be part of it at all, and that is the game. Some like playing with ships, some like playing with minds. The great lie is that it either never happened or happened to make you think it really happened or it didn't.

What if I pretended to be Dunning-Kruger guy, so that people like you can show what they really know and can, so that I know whether I should cooperate with you or not? You will never know, or maybe will. What I know is that I will keep doing my thing and when the time comes you tell me if I am still playing or acting straightforward.

You can never have the truth but you can get as close as possible to the truth, unless the truth you think you are close to is just another man's illusion to deviate you from "the truth".

Fly safe o7


P.S.: Delusions of grandeur? You must be C3PO then...

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#27 - 2016-07-11 21:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: The Fukuzawa
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:


Wew lads, that is some serious mishandling of brainia capacity. Yes, well if I want something I tend to do everything to make it work.


I may not be smart, but I do know how to make ISK and I can tell you do not.

William Legrand-Marx wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Sign me up



PM me in game, I will give details at this stage, if you are interested i ll get you together with others.


This is a match made in heaven Bear.



...exactly why we chose not to work with you when you approached us about investing in the past. It was cute that you created an alt to contact us again when we blew you off lol

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.

Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#28 - 2016-07-11 21:27:13 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:


Wew lads, that is some serious mishandling of brainia capacity. Yes, well if I want something I tend to do everything to make it work.


I may not be smart, but I do know how to make ISK and I can tell you do not.

William Legrand-Marx wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Sign me up



PM me in game, I will give details at this stage, if you are interested i ll get you together with others.


This is a match made in heaven Bear.



...exactly why we chose not to work with you when you approached us about investing in the past. It was cute that you created an alt to contact us again when we blew you off lol


Was it the soft trolling, or that you didn't want to get called out like this? Bear

I honestly don't remember using any alts to talk to you though, if you told me the name I'd be able to confirm it wasn't me, at least to myself.
The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#29 - 2016-07-11 21:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: The Fukuzawa
I won't bother, getting contacted for help by one of the biggest fools on the forums with their main toon was good enough for me.

As far as getting "called out" perhaps you should present some evidence that supports your argument? Oh wait, forum idiots just run their digits and say whatever without any evidence to back up their claims, I forgot what you are for a moment.


That said, bring on the evidence please haha

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.

Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#30 - 2016-07-11 21:49:18 UTC
Wow, this is so bad that nobody has even jokingly pledged 20 billion ISK. Shocked

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#31 - 2016-07-11 21:54:08 UTC  |  Edited by: William Legrand-Marx
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Wow, this is so bad that nobody has even jokingly pledged 20 billion ISK. Shocked


Wow, this is so ambiguous and unfundamented that nobody really knows: is it trolling or plain ignorance.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#32 - 2016-07-11 22:00:53 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
I won't bother, getting contacted for help by one of the biggest fools on the forums with their main toon was good enough for me.

As far as getting "called out" perhaps you should present some evidence that supports your argument? Oh wait, forum idiots just run their digits and say whatever without any evidence to back up their claims, I forgot what you are for a moment.


That said, bring on the evidence please haha



Just to remind my conversation w/ Norn, I was told what I mentioned priorly: [ 2016.07.10 11:49:05 ] Elizabeth Norn > The Fuzukawa is a low-tier scammer btw :p

Seems like you got beef from the past that almost spread onto me. Who brings personal vengence into business? That is low-level drama and at least unethical from Norn's side.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#33 - 2016-07-11 22:06:06 UTC  |  Edited by: The Fukuzawa
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
I won't bother, getting contacted for help by one of the biggest fools on the forums with their main toon was good enough for me.

As far as getting "called out" perhaps you should present some evidence that supports your argument? Oh wait, forum idiots just run their digits and say whatever without any evidence to back up their claims, I forgot what you are for a moment.


That said, bring on the evidence please haha



Just to remind my conversation w/ Norn, I was told what I mentioned priorly: [ 2016.07.10 11:49:05 ] Elizabeth Norn > The Fuzukawa is a low-tier scammer btw :p

Seems like you got beef from the past that almost spread onto me. Who brings personal vengence into business? That is low-level drama and at least unethical from Norn's side.



Thanks for sharing Bill.

Lizzy, let's see some evidence of me being a "low-tier scammer"

Thank you

To be honest I don't know why Lizzy has any issues with me, the only thing I ever did was blow him/her off hahaha

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.

Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#34 - 2016-07-11 22:18:24 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:

Just to remind my conversation w/ Norn, I was told what I mentioned priorly: [ 2016.07.10 11:49:05 ] Elizabeth Norn > The Fuzukawa is a low-tier scammer btw :p

Seems like you got beef from the past that almost spread onto me. Who brings personal vengence into business? That is low-level drama and at least unethical from Norn's side.


There's no beef or lack of ethics, once again I was just trying to help you by giving you a heads up.

The Fukuzawa wrote:

Thanks for sharing Bill.

Lizzy, let's see some evidence of me being a "low-tier scammer"

thank you


I don't even remember what it was, this was years ago. You were just very cagey, super secretive about really basic things like collateral, and refused to do business with me for no reason if I remember correctly, much like many scammers. I'm sure I posted it all at the time, that's kinda my thing.

I'm done though, this is even too silly for me.
The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#35 - 2016-07-11 22:22:44 UTC  |  Edited by: The Fukuzawa
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:

Just to remind my conversation w/ Norn, I was told what I mentioned priorly: [ 2016.07.10 11:49:05 ] Elizabeth Norn > The Fuzukawa is a low-tier scammer btw :p

Seems like you got beef from the past that almost spread onto me. Who brings personal vengence into business? That is low-level drama and at least unethical from Norn's side.


There's no beef or lack of ethics, once again I was just trying to help you by giving you a heads up.

The Fukuzawa wrote:

Thanks for sharing Bill.

Lizzy, let's see some evidence of me being a "low-tier scammer"

thank you


I don't even remember what it was, this was years ago. You were just very cagey, super secretive about really basic things like collateral, and refused to do business with me for no reason if I remember correctly, much like many scammers. I'm sure I posted it all at the time, that's kinda my thing.

I'm done though, this is even too silly for me.


Ok, so no evidence, shocking!!! Classic forum idiot behavior. I rest my case.

All I wanted to do was help Lizzy build wealth passively, but no.

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.

Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#36 - 2016-07-12 00:09:56 UTC
The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#37 - 2016-07-12 00:21:45 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
We're off topic, but I guess it doesn't matter now.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3552753#post3552753

http://eve-search.com/thread/180628-1/page/3#71 this post is still so very relevant today :-).


Regarding the first link, just because someone mistyped or mixed up the value of one ship for another does not make them a scammer lol. To be a scammer one has to actually scam someone.

Regarding the second link, to be candid, we are a-- holes, it is what it is.

This is an attempt to make nothing into something. Again, classic forum idiot behavior hahahaha

Find some real evidence Lizzy


Thank you

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.

Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#38 - 2016-07-12 01:33:26 UTC
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Wow, this is so bad that nobody has even jokingly pledged 20 billion ISK. Shocked


To be honest, I'm still trying to parse "The great lie is that it either never happened or happened to make you think it really happened or it didn't".
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-07-12 01:41:07 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
I won't bother, getting contacted for help by one of the biggest fools on the forums with their main toon was good enough for me.

As far as getting "called out" perhaps you should present some evidence that supports your argument? Oh wait, forum idiots just run their digits and say whatever without any evidence to back up their claims, I forgot what you are for a moment.


That said, bring on the evidence please haha



Just to remind my conversation w/ Norn, I was told what I mentioned priorly: [ 2016.07.10 11:49:05 ] Elizabeth Norn > The Fuzukawa is a low-tier scammer btw :p

Seems like you got beef from the past that almost spread onto me. Who brings personal vengence into business? That is low-level drama and at least unethical from Norn's side.



Or it's being factual or it's game theory or it's....
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#40 - 2016-07-12 07:18:41 UTC
Alexi Stokov wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
I won't bother, getting contacted for help by one of the biggest fools on the forums with their main toon was good enough for me.

As far as getting "called out" perhaps you should present some evidence that supports your argument? Oh wait, forum idiots just run their digits and say whatever without any evidence to back up their claims, I forgot what you are for a moment.


That said, bring on the evidence please haha



Just to remind my conversation w/ Norn, I was told what I mentioned priorly: [ 2016.07.10 11:49:05 ] Elizabeth Norn > The Fuzukawa is a low-tier scammer btw :p

Seems like you got beef from the past that almost spread onto me. Who brings personal vengence into business? That is low-level drama and at least unethical from Norn's side.



Or it's being factual or it's game theory or it's....


Areen Sassel wrote:
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Wow, this is so bad that nobody has even jokingly pledged 20 billion ISK. Shocked


To be honest, I'm still trying to parse "The great lie is that it either never happened or happened to make you think it really happened or it didn't".


So the otuline of all the distrust in EVE is enforcing cognitive dissonance...Lol
Must be then it never happened, but it looked like it did...P

Besides, there is certain volume of funds already in, and of course I will gladly share info with you as soon as I tell you what I ate for breakfast and whom I messaged...Blink

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...