EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hi all,

I just wanted to ask: Do I have to do the ten career agent missions for each agent to start the blood stained stars? or Can I complete just one..say 'The combat agent' and then do it?

I like to RP where I can, and although I would like to do the arc, I dont like the idea of having to trudge through missions for career agents I have no interest in doing, or that dont fit with my Rp.

Many thanks

'Sister Alitura' is who you're looking for. Just go straight to her if you want.

As a newbie, you don't get ingame information about her, unless you finish at least one of the career paths. She's ready for doing business with you anytime though. And every three months after you did the arc initially.

I just want to point out some common misconceptions that newbies bring to this game from others.

PvE in this game is not very deep and engaging and is not intended to be. This game is a sandbox and the other players are intended to be the content. So while there are a lot of people RPing in this game it seems to mostly be within the context of all player situations rather than in PvE situations.

More specifically in a game like FFXIV your character is the hero running through a very scripted and linear set of quests with a deep and engaging storyline. In Eve missions are just a way to make isk. You will do the same missions over and over and quickly realize that the stories in Eve are made by players and come from player interactions. You will understand this better once you've rescued that whore of a Damsel in the "Damsel in Distress" mission more than 50 times.

So in Eve you can RP to be the bad pirate type and run around ransoming other players for their ship or their pod or you can join provi block and RP to be the good guys acting as space police to keep the skies clear for decent folk or join CVA specifically and RP to be religious zealots. In Eve you need to choose what you want to RP as and create the role for yourself. You are not going to get lost in some storyline created for you and millions of others by someone else.

I would also like to point out that career agents are not like the breadcrumb questlines in other games that lead you from day one to "end game" content. Career agents just give you a very brief introduction to some of the most basic game mechanics. beyond that you are left on your own to figure your path out for yourself. Once you are done with all of the career agents that's pretty much it and you will be left with nothing else to tell you what to do. From there you will have to find your own playstyle and carve out your own unique path.

TLDR;
Some other games are interactive stories with occasional interactions with other players. Eve is a sandbox for you to make your own story.

There was no need for your nasty reply. Here in the NCQ&A we get a lot of the same questions over and over again. Many people ( including myself ) come to this game assuming it is like other games when it is completely different. Lots of new players washout early on and I believe that if they understood that the game is intentionally different that the washout rate would be much lower.

Your original question seemed to me to be coming from that perspective. I do not know you personally and had no previous experience with you prior to the post at least none that I am aware of. So I offered a perspective that I thought might be helpful for you or another new player surfing the NCQ&A for information on a very popular mission arc for new players.

You could have ignored my post. You could have said thanks for your time but that does not apply to me. You could have asked how my reply was relevant to your OP. Instead you chose to be a phalus cranium.

If you routinely take offense at other players going out of their way to try and be helpful then you will likely have a rough time with this game as it has one of the most helpful communities in MMO gaming IMHO.

My intent was not to act superior but this game has a steep learning curve. Many of us owe an insane amount of gratitude for help from vets that helped us get going early on and to which we could never fully repay the help. So some of us come hear and try to pay it forward and bring balance to the Eve universe.

If you are going to ask more experienced players for advice and then accuse them of acting superior when they offer it then may I suggest that you look for a game that facilitates you playing with yourself.

*snickers*

[deep jazzy voice]

We gonna have fun wit you boi!

[/deep jazzy voice]


No really... if that is your attitude OP, I can guarantee that you are going to be singled out and nuked by another player in the next 3 months.
Yes... we do that here.
Yes... it is legal to do so.
No... you will not be reimbursed.


Oh yeah.... and this gem...

My friends and I have a saying; "Always bet on stupid."

We are rarely disappointed.

My friends and I also have a saying:

"Condemnant quod non intellegunt."

No pot, no kettle mate not sure where that comes into it.


I have never once jumped into ANY forum topic and been superior or deliberately unhelpful.

If I read something and I think it's dumb, I leave it at that it's not my place to comment.
If I read something and I can't offer help or advice, then I offer nothing.

The only time I ever engage in non-value interactions is when overbearing self important forum members take it upon themselves to act like they are 'holier than thou', and i'm sorry but the replies I got to my post, or at least the first three were in good spirit, helpful and welcoming (The way I try to be when I am posting).

Then Princess Peach rolls up and offers nothing at all, she didn't even touch upon my question..it was all about establishing non existent rank based upon time spent playing a game.

Secondly, I don't need to be told to ease up, not after YOU decide to add even less value to a thread that has already been answered and then derailed..seriously.."Ease up"??

If I choose to retaliate, it does not follow suit that I take anything 'too seriously' it should only be taken that on this occasion I am stating my feelings regarding a non value reply to a simple question.

And please, are you giving me advice on how to read a post?

I read several here, the first three of the members who replied also seemed to have read mine, and answered accordingly with help and advice. I know all about the issues around 'how text can be read' and 'inferred meanings' I SAW the intent behind the post and I called the poster out on it.

Or is it only YOU who can see the intent behind a post correctly? because I assume the intent you saw, based upon your perusal of the reply, was different to the one I saw or I doubt we would have then been treated to your masterfully juvenile cyber strutting and shallow pointless threats.

I have a great sense of humour for your information, I have developed it of many years of hard knocks and general 'Life being what it is' ness. Don't assume that a sense of humour is lacking because I call out one uppity little princess with a superiority complex, or that I respond to you in kind. This is not evidence of a failing understanding of humour, it's evidence that I don't find this particular exchange humorous.

This was NOT about "getting more information than I needed" it was about getting a snippy reply that never even tried to address the question asked in the first place...go back and read it.

Now.. I may have read you wrongly, because apparently I lack the ability to understand and interpret the message behind the text (The force is weak in this one) but I am assuming that your last post was, in some part, a way of drawing a peaceful close to proceedings.

If it was indeed a virtual olive branch, then I accept and reciprocate.

Also..I will add this one thing (as we are 'also adding' things): No matter how well read you are or how much research you have done..you are still just playing a game and should not always make the assumption that everyone needs to be spoken to like a child, treated like they are too stupid to ask a straight question or happy to accept cocky bovine excrement answers simply because they are apparently at the dirty end of a big stick that does not actually exist.

And for what it's worth, jumping into a topic with both feet and acting like some kind of entitled cyber warrior is not a great way to convince anyone that, after having one rather pointless exchange on one of their first posts, that the community in general is not infected with delusions of grandeur.

That said, I am happy to end this sordid little exchange on at least amicable terms.

Fly Safe.

You have had many people take time out of their day to offer you the best advice that they have to offer. Instead of showing even the slightest gratitude for people taking the time to attempt to help you, you decide to jump all over them.

I've seen no one here attack you in any way. I've seen only helpful advice with the one exception being of me telling you to go play with yourself.

You have repeatedly attacked people trying to help you after you had asked for their help. You are the only one here acting superior and attacking people. You were also the only one acting rude and nasty until I decided to come down to your level and resort to bickering. ( Yes I said come down to your level not because I am higher but because the conversation was of a higher quality prior to dropping down to personal attacks. )

I will offer you one last piece of unsolicited advice. The eve community is very helpful and in many ways humble. There are not many people acting superior in this game and certainly few to almost none in this section of the forums. People will blow your ship up and then take the time to explain to what you did wrong and how you could have done better and sometimes ( if you are cool with them as well ) they will even fly with you immediately after words.

The community in this game is famous for being helpful. Other MMOs are loaded with people acting superior and talking down to others so I can understand where you would jump to that conclusion. However I am telling you that is not the case with me and can assure you that it is not the case with nearly all of the regulars here in the NC Q&A.

If you choose to view me as talking down to you, you are most certainly well within your right to draw you own conclusions. However I am the only one that can truly know my own intent and perspective. I can tell you that I was not talking down to you.

I almost certainly know more about this game than you. I have been playing this game since 2009 with very few breaks. I don't know everything about this game and there are likely things about this game that you know that I do not but my total knowledge of the game almost certainly exceeds yours. Does that make me a better person that you? No. Does that make me a better Eve player than you? That is impossible to determine since this game has no absolute goals or metrics with which to measure.

If this game were chess we could sit down and play 10 games and if one of us won 8 out of 10 they could clearly claim to be better. In a sandbox one could claim that they are better because they built a bigger sand castle but what if the other person wasn't even building castles? Maybe you could try and argue that whoever is having more fun is better at the game but honestly I've never heard anyone ever describe anyone else as "the best Eve player". In 7 years of playing this game I've never heard that said or read it anywhere.

Being you must be exhausting.