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I know there is few topics related to local, cloaks in it, how list is shown and so on. This topic is publishing an idea, what no doubt might not be so original, but still take a few moments and post concrtuctive idea or develop the idea bit further. And I’m sorry that there is so much to read and about my English but I hope you get the idea.

Now this is about Null sec and null sec only. There is three types of null, player dominated, npc dominated and unclaimed. First of all by default null local chat should be hidden from all players and would be shown “if” conditions are met. Also I would like to point and handle Cloaking and BlackOP fleets with this matter.

So keeping in mind that by default system is hidden from all players we need some kind logical scheme to who and how it is revealed. It would be easy just make it shown to the Alliance who holds the Sov., but there is cases where Alliance does not want to share things with their blues and just exact opposite or why not even with neutrals or fellow alliance members. Also it would be just to easy and dull. I would love to see this be solved with two modules. Thee’s modules can be installed only by Sov. holding alliance and there is two ways to install it, to the POS or to the Outpost. On case of Outpost I would love to see them attached by default to egg systems.

• Module One - Data Hub
This module would be connected to all system star gates and would exchange information between hub, star gates, jump bridges and players. It will register every single gate activation register player to the local or erase it from local depending is player leaving or coming. Player would be registered no matter of it’s ship type. The same hub will also dedect cynos and on cyno creation it will connect / hack cyno creating or jump engine activating ship, this includes Jump bridges. How ever this module will not be ablel detect cover cyno fields or monitor anything what moves on/in/out them. The hub would also be the module who transmits gathered information from and to players on depending it settings, but we come to that bit later. Also you could encounter this with System Blocking unit, but we come to that bit later. If Alliance owns multiple systems it will be able to communicate next door system Data hub’s to werify gate travels. You might ask why, but it comes clear on part where I explain System Blocking.

• Module Two - System Scanner (Requiers Data hub)
This module would scan system every 5 seconds and will transmit information to players on depending it settings, but like last module we cover that bit later. It will show every single ship in system what is not cloaked. Question is what would be time delay before it removes cloaked ship from local system. This is something what can be developed and talked further. Now here is the thing what I would like to see with this module. It would be module what can be installed on any POS by Sov. holding Alliance. And you can install them on multiple POS’es. So why install multiple ones? So they could give you round location of found ship. They would work almost like probes, exept they cant give you accurate location but they can give you direction where to send your probes. There would be some cases where they could give you exact location, like if ship is 500 km proximity of Gate, Module Two, POS, Customs office or anyother player owned installation. More you have installed them more accurate change or direction you would get. Idea needs bit more thinking and drawing how 5 second system wide ping would work or would it even be system wide, maybe it would have limited range.

• System Blocking unit.
Now we have something like this in game, but I would like to take it bit further and give it ability to break up Data hub connectivity. If and when it is installed it will break all data connectivity to hub on it’s range 500 km. What this would mean that Data hub will not be able process or get any data from that gate or it’s players. If fleet goes to destroy this unit they will loose connectivity to the hub and by this ability to see local anymore until unit is destroyed. Also during the time unit is active it will no register any of the ships entered to the system, but if Alliance has next door Data Hub it will receive data from that hub and by that being able to add or remove player from local. Important thing is to remember that it will only break connectivity on gate it is installed. Also it needs some kind anchoring time so Data Hub with system scan could detect it presence and give warning to holding alliance and encounter it before anchoring or online cycle completes.

• Access rights
Installation anchoring corporation could define it’s data stream just like at pos, so it would stream either Corp Only, Alliance Only or Standing based. On standing based you could give access to the neutrals (Keeping CVA at Providence in my mind)

• BlackOP/Covert
I believe that this system would make and give BlackOP fleets their true meaning. System could not detect them unless they decloak and fall under 5 second ping. So in this case, you cant see them if they don't **** up or want you to know they are there.

• System Scanner Data
You can access information via System Map where would be red spheres to indicated scanned neutral / hostile fleet.

• Local Chat
Local chat would stop existing. If Data Hub does not transmit to you data you cant talk or read. But if you are on access list then yes you can chat and read chat. I know it is downfall of smack talking. But you could always make Data Hub Stream accessible to all but on that case they also would see local status and players in it.

Highsec - local always on
Lowsec - local always on
nullsec - local (recent speakers mode) + count of people online in system.
WH space - no data (recent speaker mode) - no count of people online.

This keeps highsec/lowsec/WH as they are, but means in null you know there is 100 people in system, but not who they are...

job done, easy to implement, no one will complain (much) :)

Yeah I know we like to think that nullsec is all manliness all the time and nobody carebears. But if you make it too dangerous (too easy to get ganked) then nobody is going to live out there. Even now every time I warp into a haven I think to myself, "You know I could be making more isk running incursions up in empire."

If we screw up the risk vs reward in nullsec any more then it's going to be a bunch of ghost towns with a few capitol ships fighting over tech moons from time to time.

Null is to easy.
Poster before me is one of typical players. " Go live in wormhole " An additional " no local " worm holes are punished with; No Static entrance, No Cyno, No Station, No Markets, No Clones and so on.... So comparing this solution with wormhole is invalid.

Like I started Null sec is to easy. It is to easy to scout out who, where and what. It shouldn't be that easy. Statement that this would banish Capitals and Super Capitals from null is also invalid. Greed is a good drive engine to hold and dominate high grade null systems. Greed, no matter is it greed to power, isk or prestige, will make sure that people will live there no matter what. Also word " Carebear " has lost it's meaning compared to 2008 and not gonna talk about 2005.

There is no Risk at Null sec, good region intel channel will keep you on your toes minutes before anyone even is close to your system. And ISK what you can make is much higher than risk. True you can make in incursions at high sec a million per minute. But please, in null that's about the same with out faction drops and u get alot of those + Officer visits.

Null sec is to easy, needs to be more tactical and more maintenance.

you are a ******* moron

if any changes are ever made to nullsec local, high-sec incursions should be removed entirely and l4 missions reduced to a pittance that no amount of faction/deadspace gear can possibly make up for

Wow Nullbeard, a Forum PvP Honorable Solo Kill! :)

I guess EVE really is ALL PVP, ALL the time lol.

One thing that has made nullsec too easy is the anomaly nerf, but perhaps not in an immediately obvious way.

Before the anomaly nerf there was this organisation in the North reputed for its genocidal campaign against the native Guristas. Members of this coalition would systematically hunt down and murder as many Gurista NPCs as they could, even installing expensive infrastructure to lure even more hapless victims to be slaughtered.

But this travesty didn't go unnoticed by the population of EVE. Capsuleers from all over the galaxy would flock to the north to try to ease the Guristas' suffering by podding the NC members. While this didn't stop the massacre, it did mean that the perpetrators had to be constantly on their guard, as raiders could move quickly and unnoticed through empty systems. There were many raiders roaming the northern star systems during this time.

Then the gods of the universe made a change. They made it so that only low truesec systems would gain any worthwhile benefit from the costly infrastructure, so that Guristas and other oppressed nations would no longer be attracted to capsuleer bait in most of space.

They said it was to attract new capsuleers to "poor" space but what it did was remove any desire to occupy space. With the desire to occupy space gone, capsuleer alliances left nullsec in droves. This left most of space unoccupied, which made it very boring for raiders to roam. They would now have to go through many systems without seeing a single other capsuleer, and when they did, most were in stations managing PI resources rather than out in space shooting Guristas.

Soon after this change, the Northern Coalition was invaded once again, but this time hardly anybody turned up to defend, and the organisation fell. While there are many stories about why nobody turned up, the most relevant one was that without the sadistic joy they took from slaughtering Rabbits, they simply gave up and left.

Since the change there have been far fewer roaming gangs travelling through the north, because without capsuleers shooting pluses in space there's very little for roaming gangs to shot at. The gods have since modified how anomalies behave, but many capsuleer organisations are weary of spending on costly infrastructure which may get nerfed again.

tl;dr: Nullsec has bucketloads of both tactics and maintenance already, but since the anomaly nerf there are far fewer people occupying space, so less attraction for roaming gangs.

Why make it even harder to find targets?

Yep, make Hisec completely isk-free .... that'll surely attract and retain more EVE players, especially the new ones (not).

Damn, there I go letting myself get trolled again ...

carebearing isn't even the issue here, doing ANYTHING to local would break the game in nullsec because of the ability to warp cloaked and jump ships to cynos. you'd be able to park cloaked hictors off of cyno arrays with supercapitals on standby, and you'd have total impunity and zero risk of being caught while camping that beacon, as your presence is utterly undetectable.

risk in nullsec should exist, but it should be possible to manage. removing local would make risk impossible to manage by the player, and make the whole place even more of a desert. intel channels are actually a pretty nice thing, as they are a form of player-created security, as opposed to scripted NPCs that deter ganks on all but the weakest targets.