EVE General Discussion

Why would you pay 500 million?

I know lowsec and nullsec are too scary for CONCORD, so maybe there's some danger money in there, but that seems a bit steep.

Yes wardecs remove CONCORD and the suspect/criminal mechanics of Crimewatch. That's exactly why they exist. "Working as intended" as it were.

If a wardecced Corp can do nothing, they are just bad. It's easy to manage being decced. Go get a better CEO if you don't know how to handle them and you've never been taught effectively.

It should be more ISK to CONCORD per any next and active wardec. I have hard time believing CONCORD would refuse it.

There's a lot more benefit available than just killing.

New players in our Alliance that are still in highsec begin to learn the skills that help them survive in null when they move to our sov.

We teach them about making safes, making on grid bookmarks at gates, how to scan gates they don't have bookmarks at, the value of insta undock and insta dock bookmarks, the way to use the invul timer on undocking, how to use scouts if they are carrying/flying anything of value, use of Intel channels, how to work with fleet mechanics, use of voice Comms, etc.

Wardecs are a great opportunity to teach skills for nullsec in an area that they are familiar with and that is still mostly safe for them.

They also learn how they can keep playing in highsec easily even under a wardec.

You're talking to one of them now.

When I was new, less than a year into the game, the corp I was in got wardecced by a very powerful German corporation. They wiped the floor with us. I lost one ship, a Domi Navy, and killed nothing. Not during that war, though. But I learned a lot from the loss, because I payed attention to WHY I lost it, and I learned a lot from the war itself, including the tactics of our enemy.

Not even a few months later, I'd joined a different corp, and had started learning PVP. I was in lowsec, and bumped into a group of four of the Germans that decced us. I was in a Jaguar, they were in a Nomen, a Navy Scorpion, and a Navy 'Geddon, and something else that I forget. I had some backup nearby, a friend in a single Proteus, but I knew enough about them to not need it right away.

So I jumped into their anom and tackled the Navy Scorpion. The Navy Geddon engaged, the Nomen and other thing I forget jumped away. I held and tanked both battleships long enough for the prote to land and help me finish them off. My Navy Domi was avenged.

You see, there are two main types of people in this game. People who learn and adapt to the game, and people who whine and beg for the game to adapt to them. The latter tend to have pretty poor experiences with the game, and whine a lot, while the former have a great time and never stop learning. And the players who want to learn, I assure you, they're good to go from the very first moment they sub.

You and others like you think we need to coddle the new players, protect them from the big bad pvp'ers that want nothing more than to harm them. But if you were capable of learning anything yourself, you'd understand why your opinion on this matter is so fatally flawed. As the most recent stats I've seen have shown, players exposed to PVP sooner are more likely to stick around for longer. That was from fanfest 2015 though, not sure how up to date that is, but that was not just one year's of stats they provided.

Sure, you're going to have your rotten oddballs that only go after new players, because they're easy, but at the end of the day, new players have something to learn from them as well, even if the 'griefers' don't even know what it is they're helping the new players learn.

Just as a point of note: the germans I killed lost two navy battleships to my AF and one t3. To kill my navy domi, they used at least 6 ships, maelstroms/tempests and lokis, and maybe something else, but i can't remember the exact composition. Needless to say, I was becoming a better pvp'er than them partly because of their wardec.

actually ill apologize, i was a tad tired and/or grumpy and just being glib



there were indeed always blanket dec/hubhumping degenerates true,
in the recent past (pre-buddylist)

Marmite were the quintessential hub humping degenerates,
until Tora (to his credit) clearly had enough of this and tossed all the sebo'd undock queens out onto the street.
they shed numbers hand over fist as tora remodeled marmite as active hunters (successfully ill add).
before the change marmite were getting leaner and better at focused decs week on week


Absolute Defiance (Closed) made a name for themselvs by decking everything,
literally e v e r y thing in sight for a couple of months, no blues no nothing of the sort , just see it : shoot it

What Squad have been humping hek/rens for as long as ive been aware of them , barr a brief campaign against tora i havent seen them outside of the hubs/pipes.

Pirat haven't changed in the slightest, they were always hubhumpers as long as i have seen them ,
i hear they used o be badass but i haven't seen this myself

what changed was this became the modus operandi ,
the only reasonable way of seeing enough targets to sustain large groups.

Finally a man who says it as it is, thank you.

remember though that at the time of the change
the active mass decking was basically just pirat

marmite,
complaints depart,
archetype,
vendetta,
Public-Enemy,
Break-A-Wish
and us were all focused ,
now look at who is active and mass decking

Good god man, you haven't come anywhere near the clarity of that post, you are just doing long winded multi quoting self inflating gotcha I am smarter than you posts which are just lame and you don't shoot stuff to boot...

war decs are broken and actually harm the game because they cause alot of players to just not log in, that is a bad mechanic

war decs should mean something, limit the amount of decs to 2 or 3

This post (and this thread in general) is a good example of why this is always an issue. The people who feel 'victimized' litterally can't wrap thier minds around the nature of the game they are playing, and thus can't figure out what they are doing wrong. So to the forums they run to beg CCP to fix something for them that they could fix themselves by simply adopting the right mindset. CCP throws 'fixes' at them , and yet the complaining persists.

This state of affairs exists because the problem is the so-called 'victims', not the system in question. This isn't just about war decs, it's about ganking, bumping and cloaky camping as well. Those things only exists because one group of people (the gankers/bumpers/cloakers/war-deccers) know the mental-emotional weaknesses of their targets.

The bumper/ganker/wardeccer operates in high sec because they know that's where the solo/casual/asocial players are. They know that the very simple solution of joining an organized group is basically out of reach for a player like this. They know that many many more people in high sec are like Geronimo McVain (ie willing to deny the very pvp nature of the game they chose to play) than Remiel Pollard (ie people who understand the pvp nature of the game and take precautions against it). And they use that knowledge to win.

Likewise the cloaker, only he operates in null, but his 'victims' are the same. What the cloaker is doing is preying to the resident's loss aversion (I better dock up, can't lose 20 mil worth of Procurer, that would be terrible!!1) as well as the residents dislike of uncertainty (is he afk or not? I don't know!!!).

The bumper/ganker/deccer/cloaker is PVPing, they are playing a MIND game with you right now. They are WINNING that mind game because it was you (not the ganker/deccer/cloaker/etc) posting on the forum asking for intervention. The way to win isn't to beg CCP for help, it's to learn how to mind **** them back, like I learned to do a long long time ago.... Nothing ticks off a guy in a stealth bomber who just lit a cyno than seeing you warp off.. Likewise, a great way to mind screw a wardeccer is a nicely planned log in trap.

But even as I type this, I know it's for naught, because they permanent victim class is permanent.