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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2016-07-05 06:42:07 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
With reference to hiring mercs to kill you; I had considered it and even put out feelers, they're just not interested in you.


Roll

The only thing worth replying to is that, which is quite funny, So you the client put out feelers and they said they are not interested in me, that is quite telling. Oh well its a pity I wanted you to waste your ISK.

War decs are easy for experienced people like me to deal with as others have pointed out in this thread. Most of their kills are on people who have no clue, like using a freighter when under a war dec, or people moving through the pipes and most of them are null sec alliances. Someone like me who can operate anywhere in Eve, WH's, nullsec, lowsec and who has setup his home area in hisec with war decs in mind is just too much of a pain.

Thanks for admitting that..


No one's admitting anything that hasn't been said before. New players learn a lot from the experience, and often garner more of an interest in PVP as a result. But if you think mercs are only going after new players, you would be mistaken. You are a population sample of exactly one out of any number of experienced players, and if I were to guess, I'd say the lack of interest in you is more like sending a child to their room for a time out, not because they don't think they can get you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#122 - 2016-07-05 07:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
With reference to hiring mercs to kill you; I had considered it and even put out feelers, they're just not interested in you.


Roll

The only thing worth replying to is that, which is quite funny, So you the client put out feelers and they said they are not interested in me, that is quite telling. Oh well its a pity I wanted you to waste your ISK.

War decs are easy for experienced people like me to deal with as others have pointed out in this thread. Most of their kills are on people who have no clue, like using a freighter when under a war dec, or people moving through the pipes and most of them are null sec alliances. Someone like me who can operate anywhere in Eve, WH's, nullsec, lowsec and who has setup his home area in hisec with war decs in mind is just too much of a pain.

Thanks for admitting that..


No one's admitting anything that hasn't been said before. New players learn a lot from the experience, and often garner more of an interest in PVP as a result. But if you think mercs are only going after new players, you would be mistaken. You are a population sample of exactly one out of any number of experienced players, and if I were to guess, I'd say the lack of interest in you is more like sending a child to their room for a time out, not because they don't think they can get you.


New players are learning more in Pandemic Horde, I suggest that anyone starting in Eve joins Pandemic Horde, they have very experienced PL FC's to learn from and the fun of shooting Goons and being given ships to do so. So new players don't bother with hisec go straight to Null it is a lot more fun for you.

You guessed, of course you guessed and pretty fail it was too.

And it does not surprise me that you are in RvB, are you one of them who has an alt in Blue handing out ships and advice to new players and then killing them with your main in Red, if I was a betting man... or if I took a guess even...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2016-07-05 08:59:30 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

As for this gem: "Why do they have to choose people that don't want to fight if there are people that want fights?"

Here's the deal, mate. You've chosen to play a PvP game, that means PvP is going to come for you, whether you want it to or not. If you really don't want PVP, don't log in. Let me put it another way.

By virtue of logging in to EVE, you've told everyone else logged into EVE that you're willing to PVP. And no, staying in high sec is not an escape from PVP. It was never meant to be. Any player's misunderstanding of the PVP nature of EVE really is their own error. If you don't like PVP, but log into a PVP game anyway, that is on you.
I mentioned you because the the way you use wardeccs within RvB is the intended way. Or to remove Pocos or POS.But how often are Wardeccs used for this activity? There must be a lot of POS destruction around JITA Roll.

If you read my posts, I have nothing against ganking. The problem is, that wardeccs take away the consequences. If you want kills for free there is low and Null, more then 50% of New Eden. If you want random kills in HS you have to take the status hit. On the other side you are protected by Concord while you are waiting for targets as any other citizen. So yeah, I really think that wardeccs should go as they are now. If the decced can really do something against it: Bring it back, it's content.

There isn't just black and white. I'm not really against wardeccs but the way it is used it is just destructive and a way to lift the limits of HS for robbery.

Risk and Reward: Here are some Wardeccers so tell me: How often have you been killed by a wardecc target compared to your kills? So how high are the risks compared to the rewards?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2016-07-05 09:07:32 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

As for this gem: "Why do they have to choose people that don't want to fight if there are people that want fights?"

Here's the deal, mate. You've chosen to play a PvP game, that means PvP is going to come for you, whether you want it to or not. If you really don't want PVP, don't log in. Let me put it another way.

By virtue of logging in to EVE, you've told everyone else logged into EVE that you're willing to PVP. And no, staying in high sec is not an escape from PVP. It was never meant to be. Any player's misunderstanding of the PVP nature of EVE really is their own error. If you don't like PVP, but log into a PVP game anyway, that is on you.
I mentioned you because the the way you use wardeccs within RvB is the intended way. Or to remove Pocos or POS.But how often are Wardeccs used for this activity? There must be a lot of POS destruction around JITA Roll.

If you read my posts, I have nothing against ganking. The problem is, that wardeccs take away the consequences. If you want kills for free there is low and Null, more then 50% of New Eden. If you want random kills in HS you have to take the status hit. On the other side you are protected by Concord while you are waiting for targets as any other citizen. So yeah, I really think that wardeccs should go as they are now. If the decced can really do something against it: Bring it back, it's content.

There isn't just black and white. I'm not really against wardeccs but the way it is used it is just destructive and a way to lift the limits of HS for robbery.

Risk and Reward: Here are some Wardeccers so tell me: How often have you been killed by a wardecc target compared to your kills? So how high are the risks compared to the rewards?




There is no intended way. The wardec tool is a tool. How a player uses it, or why, or what for, is entirely up to the player. If it was only intended for 'consensual' PVP, as you seem to think it is, then it would have been coded that way, giving the defender a checkbox saying, "x has declared war on you, do you consent?", or something stupid like that, which since you consent to PVP the moment you log in, is completely redundant.

There is no such thing as a free kill. The only 'free kills' that are taking place are those against people that choose to be defenceless, or choose not to learn or even try to understand PVP.

Also, Concord don't protect. They are punitive, not protective. Don't ever assume that Concord is there to protect you, because that is simply not the case. If you can't protect yourself, even in high sec, then you have chosen to be a victim.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
roberts dragon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2016-07-05 10:51:14 UTC
I think if you want to shoot at someone then you should declare war then kill each other until peace reason for the wardecs .

i would say with the bountys should only be given if you have shoot at someone who has not got a wardec then ccp would award a small bounty and player can top it up that's the only way a bounty can be given and then the pirate/bounty hunter can collect full amount . of course the bounty hunter would have to pay a fee to cpp for that pleasure .
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#126 - 2016-07-05 12:15:14 UTC
roberts dragon wrote:
I think if you want to shoot at someone then you should declare war then kill each other until peace reason for the wardecs .

i would say with the bountys should only be given if you have shoot at someone who has not got a wardec then ccp would award a small bounty and player can top it up that's the only way a bounty can be given and then the pirate/bounty hunter can collect full amount . of course the bounty hunter would have to pay a fee to cpp for that pleasure .


I am never sure if it is disturbing or cute that so many people actually think there is "bounty hunting" in EVE.....


Bounties are useless. They always have been, they always will be.

There are role players who *call* themselves "bounty hunters" - though I don't think I've ever seen one actually shoot a target based on their bounty....

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#127 - 2016-07-05 12:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Why should hunting one specific person out of 30k online in the safest part of EVE be easy?.

It doesn't have to be easy.

But then, people shouldn't go complaining that blanket wardecs happen, since that's more likely, in the absence of watchlist notification, to produce targets for wardeccers.

Hunters tried to hunt once the changes occured. The blanket wardecs are the result. They are just trying to have fun.
Is that the intended use of wardeccs? Blanket wardeccing just to find targets? This is in the end random killing and do we really need a mechanic to allow this without hits to the sec status?


The last time CCP changed wardecs (2012 devblog), there were three things of relevance to 'intented'(or intention) that they mentioned:

1. wardecs serve one purpose - to allow legal fighting in highsec
2. the old mechanics were underutilised
3. they wanted to provide a viable career path for mercenaries

So the mechanics were changed in a way to encourage their use, to allow for specific groups to exist that specialise in wardecs by providing for legal fighting (ie. no security status loss).

So from what CCP devs have said, yes it would seem perfectly fine.

Additionally, CCP devs right up to the Exec Producer openly praise 'emergent gameplay' and like seeing the way players adapt to new mechanics.

The increase in blanket wardecs is a direct response to the loss of watchlist notifications, which is a demonstration of emergent gameplay.

CCP may not have intended (or seen) the loss of watchlist notifications as having any impact on highsec, but so far they don't seem to concerned by the way players have adapted.

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If you need targets so badly go to low or Null! Actual wardeccing is just robbery! There is no intention beside ganking someone in HS without a hit to the sec status.

By the same argument, if you don't want to be subject to wardecs, go to low or null.\

Highsec is just as valid a place to play as anywhere else. Yes, there is no security status loss. That's the whole reason wardecs exist.

As to waredeccing is just robbery. There are a lot of reasons people use the wardec mechanics. Robbery may well be one of them, but not the only one. The good thing is, CCP don't dictate why the mechanics should be used. They just provide them for players to use for their own reasons.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2016-07-05 12:59:35 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
With reference to hiring mercs to kill you; I had considered it and even put out feelers, they're just not interested in you.


Roll

The only thing worth replying to is that, which is quite funny, So you the client put out feelers and they said they are not interested in me, that is quite telling. Oh well its a pity I wanted you to waste your ISK.

War decs are easy for experienced people like me to deal with as others have pointed out in this thread. Most of their kills are on people who have no clue, like using a freighter when under a war dec, or people moving through the pipes and most of them are null sec alliances. Someone like me who can operate anywhere in Eve, WH's, nullsec, lowsec and who has setup his home area in hisec with war decs in mind is just too much of a pain.

Thanks for admitting that..


No one's admitting anything that hasn't been said before. New players learn a lot from the experience, and often garner more of an interest in PVP as a result. But if you think mercs are only going after new players, you would be mistaken. You are a population sample of exactly one out of any number of experienced players, and if I were to guess, I'd say the lack of interest in you is more like sending a child to their room for a time out, not because they don't think they can get you.


New players are learning more in Pandemic Horde, I suggest that anyone starting in Eve joins Pandemic Horde, they have very experienced PL FC's to learn from and the fun of shooting Goons and being given ships to do so. So new players don't bother with hisec go straight to Null it is a lot more fun for you.

You guessed, of course you guessed and pretty fail it was too.

And it does not surprise me that you are in RvB, are you one of them who has an alt in Blue handing out ships and advice to new players and then killing them with your main in Red, if I was a betting man... or if I took a guess even...


I missed this. Any credibility you had before, which can't have been much, just went down the loo.

1. You talk like PH is the only place for new players to learn. It isn't. You talk like Pandemic Horde is the only group with experience FCs. It isn't. You talk like it's the only option. It isn't. It's ONE option of MANY. As for nul being fun - refer to my previous post about 'second jobs' and taking orders and being the rank and file, then shut your hole and stop pretending like one area of space is any more 'fun' than another. It all comes down to player preference. For assuming you speak for what all players might consider fun, you fail.

2. If you were a betting man, you'd owe me money. I have two alts, on the same account, and neither is in RvB. One is for hauling, out of corp, and the other is itself holding a corp for me and some friends and barely ever even gets logged on. So stop pretending you ******* know me, mate. Only my main is in RvB and I don't have a second account. That's why you're ignoring and/or missing every single point I make, because you've put me in some fantasy demographic you have about 'certain kinds of players' pretending like if I'm in this bag, nothing I say matters, without trying to even understand a thing that people are saying to you. It's like you WANT me to be this 'bad guy' because then you can pull the moral high-ground card and pretend that validates everything you say, and invalidates everything I say. So for your astonishing narcissism, you fail again.

But please, don't stop demonstrating how quick you are to make assumptions and jump to conclusions without having the actual facts to back you up. Squirm for me, vladdy boy.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#129 - 2016-07-05 13:15:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I missed this. Any credibility you had before, which can't have been much, just went down the loo.

1. You talk like PH is the only place for new players to learn. It isn't. You talk like Pandemic Horde is the only group with experience FCs. It isn't. You talk like it's the only option. It isn't. It's ONE option of MANY. As for nul being fun - refer to my previous post about 'second jobs' and taking orders and being the rank and file, then shut your hole and stop pretending like one area of space is any more 'fun' than another. It all comes down to player preference. For assuming you speak for what all players might consider fun, you fail.

2. If you were a betting man, you'd owe me money. I have two alts, on the same account, and neither is in RvB. One is for hauling, out of corp, and the other is itself holding a corp for me and some friends and barely ever even gets logged on. So stop pretending you ******* know me, mate. Only my main is in RvB and I don't have a second account. That's why you're ignoring and/or missing every single point I make, because you've put me in some fantasy demographic you have about 'certain kinds of players' pretending like if I'm in this bag, nothing I say matters, without trying to even understand a thing that people are saying to you. It's like you WANT me to be this 'bad guy' because then you can pull the moral high-ground card and pretend that validates everything you say, and invalidates everything I say. So for your astonishing narcissism, you fail again.

But please, don't stop demonstrating how quick you are to make assumptions and jump to conclusions without having the actual facts to back you up. Squirm for me, vladdy boy.


I don't have any credibility with you, Jonah, Jenn a'Snide, Shae and Teckos, thats a win in my book. I did not say that PH was the only one, that is you, also earlier in the thread I mentioned the others. In any case I just suggested that new people go the PH route. I was aware of you post on second job, I agreed with you on that, same as me. I am merely making a suggestion, because for me its better that they shoot Goons then get shot by war deccers in hisec, they can be part of a fleet with competent FC's and have ships paid for.

Good to hear it on the RvB side, just pointing out what I saw with my alt in RvB at one point, glad to see you are not as cynical as that, by the way my RvB toon shot you the other day, was fun.

Bad guy, lol you are just shooting people in a game and chanting "If you undock you consent to PvP!", if you want to be a religious fanatic about it that is your call. o7

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#130 - 2016-07-05 13:21:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
The increase in blanket wardecs is a direct response to the loss of watchlist notifications, which is a demonstration of emergent gameplay.


Except that you are wrong, blanket wardec's have existed for a long time, the Orphanage were doing them and this approach has become the way to do war decs. The move towards blanket war decs happened before the watch list change and to say otherwise indicates your complete and utter lack of knowledge on the subject.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6462267#post6462267

Let me detail it so even your feeble brain can get it:, the key top part of the post:

Lord Razpataz wrote:
First I want to say.. yes.. I got the bitter vet syndrome.

But as a feeble attempt I want to reach out to you guys in C&P.
Especially to the fellow Highsec mercs and their employers.

As the leader of Devils I've been around for 5-6 years operating as a highsec merc.
In this time I've seen the merc community in HS in a downward spiral, degenerating year after year.
More Mercs have started to mass dec, it now seem like its more or less local thugs hanging around on street corners harassing people passing by. (yes, bad reference, but I'll get back to this one)

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#131 - 2016-07-05 13:25:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Dracvlad wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
The increase in blanket wardecs is a direct response to the loss of watchlist notifications, which is a demonstration of emergent gameplay.


Except that you are wrong, blanket wardec's have existed for a long time, the Orphanage were doing them and this approach has become the way to do war decs.

Maybe you missed the word 'increase'.

I never claimed they just started now. Learn to read. You just look like an idiot the way you post without actually understanding what was written.


By the way, where's that reference to CCP Fozzie you said you could refer to and would find today?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#132 - 2016-07-05 13:28:11 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
The increase in blanket wardecs is a direct response to the loss of watchlist notifications, which is a demonstration of emergent gameplay.


Except that you are wrong, blanket wardec's have existed for a long time, the Orphanage were doing them and this approach has become the way to do war decs. The move towards blanket war decs happened before the watch list change and to say otherwise indicates you complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6462267#post6462267

Let me detail it so even your feeble brain can get it:, the key rop part of the post:

Lord Razpataz wrote:
First I want to say.. yes.. I got the bitter vet syndrome.

But as a feeble attempt I want to reach out to you guys in C&P.
Especially to the fellow Highsec mercs and their employers.

As the leader of Devils I've been around for 5-6 years operating as a highsec merc.
In this time I've seen the merc community in HS in a downward spiral, degenerating year after year.
More Mercs have started to mass dec, it now seem like its more or less local thugs hanging around on street corners harassing people passing by. (yes, bad reference, but I'll get back to this one)

Maybe you missed the word 'increase'.

I never claimed they just started now. Learn to read. You just look like an idiot the way you post without actually understanding what was written.


No, you said the increase in blanket war decs is a direct response to the loss of the watch list which is just not true.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#133 - 2016-07-05 13:30:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Dracvlad wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
The increase in blanket wardecs is a direct response to the loss of watchlist notifications, which is a demonstration of emergent gameplay.


Except that you are wrong, blanket wardec's have existed for a long time, the Orphanage were doing them and this approach has become the way to do war decs. The move towards blanket war decs happened before the watch list change and to say otherwise indicates you complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6462267#post6462267

Let me detail it so even your feeble brain can get it:, the key rop part of the post:

Lord Razpataz wrote:
First I want to say.. yes.. I got the bitter vet syndrome.

But as a feeble attempt I want to reach out to you guys in C&P.
Especially to the fellow Highsec mercs and their employers.

As the leader of Devils I've been around for 5-6 years operating as a highsec merc.
In this time I've seen the merc community in HS in a downward spiral, degenerating year after year.
More Mercs have started to mass dec, it now seem like its more or less local thugs hanging around on street corners harassing people passing by. (yes, bad reference, but I'll get back to this one)

Maybe you missed the word 'increase'.

I never claimed they just started now. Learn to read. You just look like an idiot the way you post without actually understanding what was written.


No, you said the increase in blanket war decs is a direct response to the loss of the watch list which is just not true.

Yes it is and yes, like I said, maybe you missed the word 'increase'.

Where's that Fozzie reference?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#134 - 2016-07-05 13:33:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
It doesn't have to be easy.

But then, people shouldn't go complaining that blanket wardecs happen, since that's more likely, in the absence of watchlist notification, to produce targets for wardeccers.

Hunters tried to hunt once the changes occured. The blanket wardecs are the result. They are just trying to have fun.


I agree with this, which is why I've been saying locators should be tweaked now that we're post-watchlist. Just like POSes have given too much reward for too little risk, and post-jump fatigue SOV gave too much mobility for too little risk, watchlists gave too much ease of hunting for too little risk.

Teckos Pech wrote:
We got the gist of your posts....you can stop now. No really, you can stop now.


Interesting, given you've yet to reply to a single thing I've said, and instead somehow interpreted "watchlists are OP, but let's tweak locators to help hunters" as whining.

Come on man.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#135 - 2016-07-05 13:39:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
The increase in blanket wardecs is a direct response to the loss of watchlist notifications...


That is what you said, don't try to wiggle out of it, the increase in blanket war decs is a direct response to the loss of watchlist notifications, no it is not, it had already happened before the removal of the watchlist, all that happened is that the hunting part of it became too much effort for that part of the merc community that was still doing it, the increase happened before.

You really should get to know your subject before you post on it, I have been reading C&P since 2009 and while it is a pale shadow of what it was, it still has interesting information pertaining to war dec entities.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2016-07-05 13:39:44 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


I don't have any credibility


If you'd stopped there, it would have been the first relevant, factual thing you've ever said on these forums.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#137 - 2016-07-05 13:41:31 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


I don't have any credibility


If you'd stopped there, it would have been the first relevant, factual thing you've ever said on these forums.


Oh my god you are able to crop a quote, roll of drums... A+ gold star, pat on the back Big smile

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2016-07-05 13:41:37 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
By the same argument, if you don't want to be subject to wardecs, go to low or null.\

Highsec is just as valid a place to play as anywhere else. Yes, there is no security status loss. That's the whole reason wardecs exist.

As to waredeccing is just robbery. There are a lot of reasons people use the wardec mechanics. Robbery may well be one of them, but not the only one. The good thing is, CCP don't dictate why the mechanics should be used. They just provide them for players to use for their own reasons.

Wardeccs are lifting the security mechanics of HS. When i pay 500M per week I can get Concord protection in Null or Low? Great idea, where can to pay for it? what would you think about the idea that you can buy Concord protection for the whole of New Eden? IMHO a really bad idea but why is it a good idea bringing Null into HS and not the other way around?

Again for the 531th time: I'm not against wardeccs per se. I'm against the current implementation where there is virtually nothing a decced corp can do against it. A corp that deccs 300 other Corps shouldn't be able to undock without 3 enemies waiting at the undock but that's not the case. This clearly shows that it is not working as intended.

But lets wait till some wardeccers tell us how many ships they loose to war targets compared to their kills.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#139 - 2016-07-05 13:43:47 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
It doesn't have to be easy.

But then, people shouldn't go complaining that blanket wardecs happen, since that's more likely, in the absence of watchlist notification, to produce targets for wardeccers.

Hunters tried to hunt once the changes occured. The blanket wardecs are the result. They are just trying to have fun.


I agree with this, which is why I've been saying locators should be tweaked now that we're post-watchlist. Just like POSes have given too much reward for too little risk, and post-jump fatigue SOV gave too much mobility for too little risk, watchlists gave too much ease of hunting for too little risk.

Yeah, there seems to be a fair bit of agreement with your sentiment (including in other threads about changing locator agent mechanics).

I'd be all for that too. Anything to reduce the blank deccing would be welcome. It seems at the moment, anytime you visit a major trade hub there's a good chance you'll be wardecced.

My main, who normally has her own player Corp, has been in an NPC Corp since the changes because, as a Freighter/Jump Freighter pilot, it got silly leaving and then rejoining her player Corp each week, because it was wardec after wardec. That's fine, but changes that help mercs be more targeted would be a great relief it is gets things back to how they were before.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2016-07-05 13:44:34 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


I don't have any credibility


If you'd stopped there, it would have been the first relevant, factual thing you've ever said on these forums.


Oh my god you are able to crop a quote, roll of drums... A+ gold star, pat on the back Big smile


No, sorry, patronising people isn't relevant either. Nice try though.

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