EVE General Discussion

Weak, the bumping is having a timer of 3 minutes applied to it so that the ship will warp within three minutes unless it is pointed, at which point the timer is re-set, this means that all the gankers have to do is have a number of suicide pointers handy. The AG assessment is that will have limited impact if at all on Miniluv operations. To say that bumping is being removed is poppycock... The Watch list was removed for other reasons and is not a direct nerf, in any case very few mercs actually do hunter killer, most of them hang around in pipes and on hubs. Both weak...

Can flipping was replaced by suspect baiting, and saying it twice does not help you. Awoxing is still possible, you know that there are advantages to having friendly fire set to legal, for example my corp has it set legal, also it is possible in lowsec and null and still happens there without the impact of that change. Expect more improvements in terms of corp control to come.

I referred to CCP Fozzies statement in a post and will hunt that out to pin down when it was. Will locate it tomorrow. New players going into 0.0 occured due to Fozzie sov where hordes of new players entossing stuff was seen as an advantage, its the scale of it. Surely you can see the difference between just Brave and then Brave, Pandemic Horde and Karma Fleet all working to recruit new players and its impact on hisec. Well maybe you can't...

No I said the watch list change was done because of the logging of super and titan pilots and was a block to major battles and that is why it was changed to a buddy list. I used the watch list myself, I have it to its max capacity, for a good reason, for war dec players and of course hot droppers.

Your comment talking about having a webber and you are safe is very very wrong, and shows how poor you are. If you were not on that no gank list you would be ganked, the webber is no longer enough. They (Miniluv) have suicide blackbirds that point the ship so that the webbing fails to get them in warp giving enough time for the Macherial to get on the freighter. This was the point where I said no more use of the freighter for me. That you are unaware of this does not surprise me in the slightest and is quite telling.

Well one did try a pretty obvious trap on the last war dec, was funny, that means your too much of a cheap skate to do a contract, oh well...

Yeah I think you are a hyprocrite and even worse you have no current knowledge of the development of ganker tactics which has been in place for almost two weeks (actually longer than that), very amusing that...

If you are blowing up stuff watchlists are not very handy.

However, if you are going after the pilots themselves, watchlists are very handy even if you know where they are as they let you know when they are online.

However, it is pretty much free intel. I agree that removing it has almost surely had a negative impact on HS PvP in some contexts. Putting something similar to it back via the Observatory Array would be a good thing. It puts assets in space that are at risk. Giving them limited range means running can still be a viable tactic. Another thing might be to suspend locator agents during a war dec. If the OA provides a watchlist like function for say a constellation, you already have an idea of where he is. Next step is to scout several systems and find the bugger.

It also gives the war decced corp something they can shoot at that can help them out. Take down the OA and getting intel will be harder for the deccing corp. Might want to consider a limit on the number of OAs in HS as well.

I know!

I even think it was in CCP's goalposts when they invented the damn things-- when the wardec lands, you can't just "take it down" and safe up for a week.

Sounds like working as intended to me ;-)

I've edited my post to reflect that bumping isn't actually being removed but rendered less effective as a method of holding a ship in place, satisifed? The rest of your spiel is just opinion.

T'was but a typo, it should have actually said canflipping and awoxing

I'd be interested in seeing that statement from CCP Fozzie. New players going to nullsec did not occur due to Fozziesov, and it's not just Brave, Pandemic Horde and Karmafleet, Goons and TEST have done it for years, IIRC Karmafleet is just the latest incarnation/expansion of the GSF practice anyway.

Who actually benefits? It's certainly not those of us that don't own supers.

Ha I wondered how long it would take for you to get the tinfoil out about the "do not gank list".

Webbing still works fine btw; while the gankers may have found a counter to the webbing itself, scouting ahead, even using the webbing ship to do so, tells you if there are blackbirds and machariels on the other side of the gate and in turn whether or not it's safe to jump through in your hauler. I don't recommend one single thing, I recommend several things used in conjunction with each other to give an advantage, which is something you appear to have missed.

My ignorance of the latest meta aside, a player using the mechanics at hand in the right way can give an advantage over those who do not, the former doesn't tend to die a lot, because the latter are far easier to kill and thus more likely to get ganked.

With reference to hiring mercs to kill you; I had considered it and even put out feelers, they're just not interested in you.

Dracvlad,

Speaking honestly and having worked with you many times I feel that you need to accept the game the way it is on certain issues. If people are not able to function then they need to join a corp or blue coalition that is able to help them function using teamwork and strategy.. The reason why people can't function may not always be down to game mechanics I think it is due to the way people want to play the game.

CODE for example have organised themselves and learned the game mechanics and been able to achieve things, What is stopping anyone from creating a corp or alliance that can fight them?

Dracvlad, why can't you form a coalition or alliance that can war dec the hi sec war deccers and fight them? All you would need to do is gather your fleet, go there and fight them. I'm sure you would get funding from interested parties, You could organise a massive fleet and keep the perimeter gate clear for example.

All of what I am suggesting is hard, yes. You have to admit what I have suggested here is possible.

I have tried my Hub Zero venture for a long time and I have seen lots so I feel I am in a good position to pass judgement on this issue, I think people including you drac seem to want Eve to adapt to you rather than you adapting to Eve. I know you Drac you have all the skills necessary to organise an intel network that will help others, but here you are asking for some sort of observatory structure that will provide the intel for you.

Drac, do a venture similar to what I have done with Hub Zero, get your friends to help and make hi sec a better place, this seems to be your calling. Get yourself or your fleet commanders a 30 man fleet and go find these gankers and war dec them.

I am able to see potential in people drac and I see it in you. If only you could stop bloody moaning and get on with it.

It doesn't have to be easy.

But then, people shouldn't go complaining that blanket wardecs happen, since that's more likely, in the absence of watchlist notification, to produce targets for wardeccers.

Hunters tried to hunt once the changes occured. The blanket wardecs are the result. They are just trying to have fun.

We got the gist of your posts....you can stop now. No really, you can stop now.

I knew at some point you would do an attack post, if you take the time to read back through the thread you will see it is not I who is moaning about nerf's. You make the same error as so many. Do you think that bumping someone for hours on end without consequences is a good mechanic, if you do then I have to wonder about you. CCP have adjusted it, which is good and needed, if you had come across people like I had who were raging at CCP because they had been bumped for hours you would understand just how bad it was. They can still bump, but they have to suicide point the freighter and re-set the timer, when CCP finally implement it that is. The only thing it will affect is bumpers who were after ransoms, do you get it and they are complaining about it not me.

Furthermore the Observatory Structure is to give back to war dec entities (they were the ones moaning by the way and I have sympathy for their point of view) the watch list functionality for a Constellation but it is vulnerable to attack and disruption. That Aaron is to help war dec entities and is a conflict driver because smaller entities can attack it and disrupt them. Thanks in your eagerness to have a dig for giving me an opportunity to point that out again and highlight tour ignorance over what I suggested. Also I support adding the online status to locator agents as per another thoughtful poster on this thread.

I have always expressed my respect for the sheer organisational skills of CODE and Miniluv (Goons to you.)

I should thank you for completely mis-reading what I have said based on your own prejudices and lack of knowledge of hisec, I am perfectly able to adapt, for example when I was sitting in 6Y being cloaky camped I was doing it so they would focus on me leaving the others (like you for example) free to operate in other systems, but then you went and told the campers that you and others were in other systems so they upped their campaign. Then you told me I was not able to adapt by moving systems, because somehow you forgot that I was doing that deliberately. Thanks for reminding me of that, I still laugh every time I think of it, you telling me that I should change system when I had already told you I was in that system to keep their focus on me.

Aaron there is already a group doing this, It is the AG movement, you don't know anything about this and talk from ignorance for example you don't need to war dec gankers, they are already criminal and can be shot in hisec no issues, you need to learn and understand the mechanics in hisec. To save you getting confused the Macherial bumpers do not have criminal standings and do not go suspect, just in case you don't know that and they are often in random corps and drop for war decs, well some forget to but that is because they can be stupid at times...

Yes, along with POCO and POS clearing.




No see above.




Saver? And some people need plasma man, I donate when I can.



pls format into not a wall of text pls

The only thing worth replying to is that, which is quite funny, So you the client put out feelers and they said they are not interested in me, that is quite telling. Oh well its a pity I wanted you to waste your ISK.

War decs are easy for experienced people like me to deal with as others have pointed out in this thread. Most of their kills are on people who have no clue, like using a freighter when under a war dec, or people moving through the pipes and most of them are null sec alliances. Someone like me who can operate anywhere in Eve, WH's, nullsec, lowsec and who has setup his home area in hisec with war decs in mind is just too much of a pain.

Thanks for admitting that..