EVE General Discussion

I think it would be right to give the changes CCP have made a fair chance. I agree that the watchlist being removed does affect hi sec wars. When I was doing research on the watchlist I went into some very old eve forums and there were a few people that felt the watchlist was an invasion of pivacy where complete strangers can study when you are off/online and use it as a tool to impose pvp on them.

I also read a few articles from gaming journalists who felt CCP had made a bold decision to make the watchlist consensual because it was a tool that assisted pvp, they went on to compare Eve to other games where it is possible to hide your online status.

When I was part of hi sec wars years and years ago it was fun, I remember being a noob and the fleet commander types "right we got incoming 4 jumps out" it was so exciting, I don't remember the watchlist being the main part of it, Can anyone talk in detail about how the watchlist/buddylist has evolved? I remember hearing about lots of other war decs and it seemed more about skill and healthy competition than it was ganking your opponents with overwhelming numbers.

There are still many tools one can rely on to find pvp content, theres Dotlan maps, theres Zkill, Have a look at corps who look like they would give you a good fight and war dec them, see who has the best fleet commander, see if you can counter their tactics.

A PVP arena had been suggested a while ago, So for example, a fleet of 4 cruiser pilots could advertise on a bulletin board that they are looking for a fight with 4 other cruiser pilots, both parties could place a wager on the outcome and the winner takes all. similar to a mission the players could be told where to meet and commence fighting. This idea looks like a winner because it works in most other games, Fleets and fleet commanders could build their reputation and earn from betting on the outcome.

Bring back old school pvp, 24/7 ganking is boring. CCP need to create a platform for constant consensual PVP and we will take it from there.

Lol dude null sec is much safer place then high sec. Mine in some high sec system in belt with 5 people with you. You dont know if they are scouts, if gankers are coming, you are always on your toes, not knowing who enemy is and where does it hide, every neutral in HS is enemy and there are 10-20 neutrals in each system, but in null most of systems your alliance holds have 0 neuts in it. Dont fool yourself null is safest place to live in, safer then high.

I think someone here is selling the effort INFAMOUS puts in its territory control short.

I'll testify you guys are always up for a fight (which you could also do in highsec if you so desired by the way). Now take away that response fleet like highsec dwellers do and then let's talk safety again, shall we?

Like I said, I don't remember it being the be all and end all of hi sec pvp, perhaps it was a factor that evolved over time because of the effect ganking and outnumbering had on pvp, also online numbers are much lower than they used to be so this may have limited the amount of targets.

This is also an interesting point we should explore, Does the current PVP design of the game suit a low number of 25,000 online? Or is it better suited to numbers like 50,000 online? If this suggestion is true then it could be that our/your GABOS (Game Ain't Based On Sympathy) playstyle may have driven many players away, now you are here asking for the mechanics to be changed because you are bored.

Something has changed for sure, I think it is our attitudes. Look at when ingame plex prices went up the reality was no one cared if people could afford it or had the time to grind for it. I think that was the end game for lots of people and now all of us struggle to find content because of the limited numbers. I accept my views could be wrong. Lets have a look at how the playerbase has contributed to the current state of the game.

Does CCP listen to human behavior experts when designing the game? If anyone can go into more depth on the points i've raised that would be cool.

Could you please link me the post and articles about privacy you mentioned...

Nice squirming btw.

Btw.. if you dont give me atleast one old link to post regarding privacy or article from gaming journalists you supposedly read... I would think you were talking out of your ass once more.. trying to correct the previous "foot in mouth" situation

I atleast linked patch notes from 2005 describing watchlist functionality.

1. Tell me how you will keep up safety in a system with 30 neuts? Doing this would be way more complicated then in Sov-Null.

2. Sure. Can you tell me the main trade hubs in Null or low? I mean that anyone including 1 day old players can use? What would happen to EVE population if all the starter systems and career agents would be in low?

3. There is almost no way to minimize risk. Try minimizing risk and mine in low and think that HS has 10x the population of low: Have fun. With the population normal in HS I would rather give my money to Jita scammers then undock a Mining barge in low: My imps will be safer and the money will be gone anyway.

4. "MY SKIFF WILL BLAST YOUR MARCH TO KINGDOM COME" Sorry, got carried away....... So your are telling me that you fit your ratting ships in NS as PvP ships?

To go to Null you will have to submit to a corp with demands on you, an Alliance etc. Some people don't want this.
Sov is safer because of NBSI but you can't do a lot of things this way. Try to get a freighter through null from North to south. Not really a thing in HS but in Null? Trade and industry works by exchanging with other (unknown) players and that's exactly whats not working with NBSI. Try to think about something like a trade hubs in Null: Either you enforce NBSI then it will be a Trade Hub with less then 1h lifetime or you will have massive security problems. Both a NoGo.

Most people in HS respect that the other is doing "his thing". They just ignore each other. And thats the only way you can create an enviroment for new players that will fill up the Null Corps. Where does your Corp shop when they need some ships fast? Null, low or HS? Where do you sell your loot from ratting? If you want HS to become low you have to find answers to these questions!

What?

You think 30 neuts in a system in highsec is more complicated to keep up safety than 30 neuts in a system in sov null?

Lol. That's got to be a joke.


Again, what?

Sov is safer because if it isn't blue shoot it? How is everyone shooting everyone safer?

Which corps accepts 30 neuts in their Sov-Null System-> you are trolling

and the second one: please stop trolling. There are no intel channels in Null corps that warn you? What crap corps are you talking about? The idea is that Null is the unsafest thing and that's true for NPC-Null but Sov-Null is something quite different!