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Shae Tadaruwa

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#221 - 2016-07-06 12:00:38 UTC

Dracvlad wrote:

I would agree it was not the intent for Shae to say that, it was the use of "direct response" that made it ambiguous

Don't give me so much credit.

It was just your inability to read a whole sentence.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Remiel Pollard

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#222 - 2016-07-06 12:19:05 UTC | Edited by: Remiel Pollard

Dracvlad wrote:

Should be interesting, my feeling is that 0.0 alliances make up the majority of the ISK value and numbers of kills.

It's a good thing we don't do statistical analysis by gut feeling then, huh, otherwise we'd all be as hopelessly wrong as you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Dracvlad

Taishi Combine

Astral Alliance

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#223 - 2016-07-06 12:22:02 UTC

Shae Tadaruwa wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

I would agree it was not the intent for Shae to say that, it was the use of "direct response" that made it ambiguous

Don't give me so much credit.

It was just your inability to read a whole sentence.

I am not giving you any credit, I think you were being disingenuous, and I would refer people to your simplistic +1 -1 nerf buff post in another thread for the level of your stupidity and simplistic thinking.

This post gives me another opportunity to suggest that the HTFU players are correct in that you cannot look at war decs on their own, they should be analysed along with ganking, suspect baiting and other such PvP related content. Certainly the affect of those has also had a hand in developing hisec into the current sad state it is now in.

Carebears have always existed in Eve and there was in fact a lot more whiney carebears in the past then there is now, in fact there are very few indeed and those that are denoted as whiney carebears are often nothing of the sort.

It is evident also that the majority of people that I meet in AG for example totally accept that war decs and ganking is part of the Eve experience in hisec.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Remiel Pollard

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#224 - 2016-07-06 12:24:55 UTC

Dracvlad wrote:

Shae Tadaruwa wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

I would agree it was not the intent for Shae to say that, it was the use of "direct response" that made it ambiguous

Don't give me so much credit.

It was just your inability to read a whole sentence.

I am not giving you any credit, I think you were being disingenuous

This is called 'projection'. It's also called 'irony'. The last time I saw projection and irony in one sentence, it was from... nvm, you don't wanna know.

You are being disingenuous by trying to pretend that Shae said something Shae never ever ever said, nor implied, asserted, claimed, etc etc. It was your reading comprehension/ignorance/both and yours ALONE that was to blame here.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Dracvlad

Taishi Combine

Astral Alliance

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#225 - 2016-07-06 12:29:05 UTC | Edited by: Dracvlad

Remiel Pollard wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

Should be interesting, my feeling is that 0.0 alliances make up the majority of the ISK value and numbers of kills.

It's a good thing we don't do statistical analysis by gut feeling then, huh, otherwise we'd all be as hopelessly wrong as you.

Sadly that just details the amount produced and destroyed in the regions in 2013, it does not detail who it belonged to and who did it which is what I was after, please try to keep up.

To remind you I wanted to see how much of the WDE's kills in terms of ISK and number came from 0.0 and lowsec alliances. If you can find that sort of data I would be most interested.

WDE = War Dec Entity and as war decs are to enable combat in hisec I felt that was pretty obvious, furthermore the WDE's hardly ever operate outside of hisec, though some do, for example Vendetta specialise in killing JF's and I would count them as being part of their effort as they were coming to hisec..

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Doc J

Space Wolves ind.

Solyaris Chtonium

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#226 - 2016-07-06 14:47:36 UTC

Blanket war decs are not the result of the removal of watchlist. Many of the merc corps were already blanket deccing.

Only now seeing who of your targets is online is not possible without the intervention of the locator.

This is why i think as an attacker special information should be fed to us, at the same time information should be fed to the defender. not expeciting information consisting of war and peace but something like a small snipped every 5 minutes-

Attacker
corp-XYZ 1 online - system

Defender
War target entering system (# jumps from you)

or something

Dracvlad

Taishi Combine

Astral Alliance

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#227 - 2016-07-06 15:01:35 UTC

Doc J wrote:

It looks like CCP are going to do something with Observatory Structures if you look atthe reply given by CCP, so you might get your wish.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6550204#post6550204

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Lord Razpataz

Devils Rejects 666

The Devil's Warrior Alliance

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#228 - 2016-07-06 15:36:10 UTC

Dracvlad wrote:

Doc J wrote:

Here.. we are not getting a dev post about watchlist topic, apparently I'm free to link/spam CCP Lebowski your ideas..

I still think a dev post about the issues with removal of watchlist and ask the community how to fix it would be a better solution.

Dracvlad

Taishi Combine

Astral Alliance

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#229 - 2016-07-06 15:41:47 UTC

Lord Razpataz wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

Doc J wrote:

Yes, but they have direct contact with you which is actually rather good. I do think they will go the route of OS, but that could be wishful thinking on my part. Good luck.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Lord Razpataz

Devils Rejects 666

The Devil's Warrior Alliance

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#230 - 2016-07-06 16:17:21 UTC | Edited by: Lord Razpataz

Dracvlad wrote:

Yes, but they have direct contact with you which is actually rather good. I do think they will go the route of OS, but that could be wishful thinking on my part. Good luck.

Well... who said anything about me linking him your idea?

I just feel its wrong in the same reasons this watchlist change was implemented in the first place, ccp listen only to a select few..

I'll have to go trough the different threads and find some links for him then and try not to be biased.

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Pandora Carrollon Provi Rapid Response Likes received: 678	#231 - 2016-07-06 16:38:43 UTC Doc J wrote: Blanket war decs are not the result of the removal of watchlist. No, but the rapid increase in them certainly was. 8 Golden Rules of EVE • EVE is entirely PvP

Dracvlad

Taishi Combine

Astral Alliance

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#232 - 2016-07-06 16:39:08 UTC | Edited by: Dracvlad

Lord Razpataz wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

Yes, but they have direct contact with you which is actually rather good. I do think they will go the route of OS, but that could be wishful thinking on my part. Good luck.

Well... who said anything about me linking him your idea?

I am sure you will do fine, some others on this thread maybe not...

Edit: Without filling up the thread with me, but I have to say Dirty Forum Alt made me laugh big time with the post underneath, nice one and yes I know you were joking, I hope.. Big smile

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dirty Forum Alt

Forum Alts Anonymous

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#233 - 2016-07-06 16:49:06 UTC

I think the only fair and unbiased solution is that when I declare war on a corp/alliance part of the wardec mechanic should be that I get a new tab on my corp interface that shows me a full list of targets, their online status or when they last logged in, their exact current location, and their current active ship (basically what the ceo/directors see for their corp members, but for war targets). This list should also be live-updated, not delayed.

I think that would eliminate all complaints from the mercenary community.

Twisted

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Doc Fury

Furious Enterprises

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#234 - 2016-07-06 17:27:36 UTC

Dirty Forum Alt wrote:

The above is about as likely to happen as Doc's three-way with Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Teckos Pech

Hogyoku

Goonswarm Federation

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#235 - 2016-07-06 17:28:14 UTC

Dracvlad wrote:

Valkin Mordirc wrote:

I don't think anybody was intending to say that Blanket decs only came up after the watchlist changes, blanket decs like Marmite, Archetype and specially Pirate and VMG are obviously still a thing.

Only that are becoming more prevalent due to the Watchlist being removed. And that that style of play, of Mass Dec and watch the trade routes is possible thing to do, it's the only convenient way to run a Mercenary Alliance. Hunters are no longer hunters, just roamers for the most part.

And that we told you so.

I would agree it was not the intent for Shae to say that, it was the use of "direct response" that made it ambiguous making it possible to interpret it as being that, that was obviously meant to say the surge after the watch list removal, which could be just as much as a "We told you so" in terms of result which is an attempt to get CCP to change their policy.

Only if one is being deliberately obtuse would one interpret it that way.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Teckos Pech

Hogyoku

Goonswarm Federation

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#236 - 2016-07-06 17:30:36 UTC

Remiel Pollard wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

Shae Tadaruwa wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

I would agree it was not the intent for Shae to say that, it was the use of "direct response" that made it ambiguous

Don't give me so much credit.

It was just your inability to read a whole sentence.

I am not giving you any credit, I think you were being disingenuous

Really? I just call it lying.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Teckos Pech

Hogyoku

Goonswarm Federation

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#237 - 2016-07-06 17:31:45 UTC

Doc J wrote:

Blanket war decs are not the result of the removal of watchlist. Many of the merc corps were already blanket deccing.

Nobody has made the argument you are trying to shoot down, at least not Shae.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online


Dracvlad Taishi Combine Astral Alliance Likes received: 3,498	#238 - 2016-07-06 17:34:37 UTC \| Edited by: Dracvlad Duplicate When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour. Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Aaron

Eternal Frontier

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#239 - 2016-07-06 20:57:59 UTC

LMAO....Dracvlad calling me ignorant?

I'll illustrate exactly how ignorant Drac is.

Drac showed me a video of 2 men arguing, I remember commenting on what the black guy said to the white guy, then Dracvlad goes off on one "Aaron!!, that's not a black man it's an indian man" i reply telling Drac that being a blackman myself I think I should be able to identify one. You guessed it, Drac didn't agree and continued thinking it was an indian man, No matter what I said or reasoned he simply wouldn't have it, he even tried changing the convo up.

I go off comms in disbelief, at this point I sought assistance from the mrs and asked her to watch the video, "yeah, thats a black guy" I burst out laughing, then so does the mrs when I explain that dracvlad thought it was an indian man.

Your perception stinks of ignorance Drac, and I have no idea why these good folk are even bothering to reply to your non-sense, Jenn has dealt with you properly and I fully understand why.

Someone like you is poisonous to any venture anyone is doing within Eve, Some people actually take you seriously which is a problem. Be boring Drac, spend the rest of your experience in Hi sec and on these forums moaning about game design, that's all you got.

LOL, you actually think you're in any position to comment on my fleet commanding? FYI, I had only just started fleet commanding when I did the 1st Hub Zero, I was still learning, but of course that wasn't good enough for you was it, you need perfection in a fleet commander from the very beginning. You never understood that Hub Zero is like a colonization attempt, any true scifi fan knows that colonization always has lots of problems and never goes smoothly.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 919
Brokk Witgenstein Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 919	#240 - 2016-07-06 22:44:06 UTC 1 ?????? Posted in the wrong thread or did a chunk of it get moderated out? You want to war dec indians? Smoke weed everyday yea?