EVE General Discussion

What I find amusing is that the simplistic narrative that the watch list removal caused the blanket war decs is false, it was caused by the mercs wanting to get bigger and the lack of suitable hisec targets. But the knock on effect was a decline in ability caused by the inherent laziness of hub camping, less so with pipe camping but still an issue.

So the issue with war dec's from the perspective of their prey is a being war decked having to adjust their play, (which is no big deal to be honest) and then never see any of them because they are around hubs or in the pipes. Most people say that to express contempt and yet it is twisted to be a whine in your heads.

What is telling is 0.0 alliances don't bother to hunt in hisec, they could to be honest, they could get some nice juicy bling kills, but they don't do it for the same reasons as hisec players, it is just not worth the effort and all this talk by certain players about how to do it is hot air because they do not do it themselves, as I keep saying words are hollow but actions count.

In fact it is fine as it is, I think the blanket war dec groups will collapse through boredom and their own weight and it is actually a good thing and thoroughly deserved for most of them. They will rise then fall and see a steady decline as is apparent now, but that is CCP and the carebears fault, which is a huge giggle.

And you know what I like pointing this out and will keep doing so.

Ralph pretty much nailed it, so I'm not gonna touch on that too much. The changes encouraged the blanket decs for pipe/hub campers while castrating those who actively hunted. Unintended consequences and whatnot, despite vocal warnings that this would come to pass. Bed made, lie in it and all that.

Best advice? endure it, adapt to it. We're still looking for ways to do so ourselves, even though the outlook is kind of bleak.

I really do miss it.
We'd run locates for a couple hours with several members online, all using their alts and mains to scrounge for targets in space.
Eventually one would be found and a location sent out.
30 jumps?
SURE!
We'd all hop into something fast, usually frigates or dessies, and go flying off to the hinterlands of empire space to pay a house call on some poor WT who was sure he was safe to mine or run missions despite the Devils having his number.
This usually resulted in a handful of us creeping through the bushes in his backyard just waiting to catch him returning to his doorstep after going out to grab the daily paper.
It was glorious.
It was also why we'd usually see 25% of a corp's members bail when we decced them, and oftentimes small corps roll completely.

As Jenn said, there's a mind game at work. Being the monster in the closet, or hiding under the bed has impact. There were many times when a target could have EASILY stomped us in the dirt if they'd rallied and fought back smartly. Almost always they didn't. The funny thing is that we would have welcomed it. A really good fight from a war target group? AWESOME. There's a fatalistic mentality that's at work too often in this game... the whole 'can't win, don't try' thing. It gives me a powerful sad to be honest.

I'm drunk and rambling at this point.

TL;DR? I used to be the monster under your bed.
Now I'm pretty much out of work and this is bad.
Blanket decs are now the new meta, so enjoy until something is done to give mercs other options.

Never not post when drunk.

damn it omar! whyduhave to kill highsec pvp!

Sorry Ralph.
I didn't do it on purpose.
It didn't put the lotion in the bucket though.

context for those unfamiliar with the incident

Not defending him but even before watchlist removal i have seen permanent trade hub campers having lots of wardecs at the same time and almost never leaving trade hub. For me it means that 'blanket war decs' didn't start 'just because of watchlist removal'.

It didn't. The change just amplified the happening by pretty much making it the only plausible way for a large entity to generate the content necessary to keep it's members occupied. The hub campers have been around since forever, just now that's pretty much the only realistic route left for larger groups.

Thing is Dracvlad has not shfted the goal posts. Shae said that removing the watchlist lead to more blanket war decs. Now Dracvlad's new narrative was that Shae said it caused blanket war decs which is simply not true.

Edit: Reference, first sentence.....



Nobody made this claim. though.

I would agree it was not the intent for Shae to say that, it was the use of "direct response" that made it ambiguous making it possible to interpret it as being that, that was obviously meant to say the surge after the watch list removal, which could be just as much as a "We told you so" in terms of result which is an attempt to get CCP to change their policy. Not that I would blame you for that of course.


The really relevant question is why did war dec entities move to the blanket war dec approach before the watch list change? (Note I am aware of the way that the Orphanage worked and how they got kills, they did run fleets and were quite good at it but not to the level of BAW, Marnite were a copy of the Orphange imo)

Certainly it was one way to develop greater numbers, better killboards and easy content, however it made them lazy and inefficient in terms of more challenging fights. A good example was that Marmite were actually more competent then people gave them credit for.

Was this as a result of a loss of content as people did not bother fighting them any more? Did that have any impact in that change.

Observation:
Since the Imperium got kicked out of null there is a notable increase in hisec population, I was wondering if all these Imperium players have just setup their indy in hisec again, for example in my back water I have a Razor guy with a number of characters in small corps. The thing is that I do not expect you to get much content from them.

I am going to start analysing the killboards of certain WDE's to try to work out the actual value of hisec targets as against blapping 0.0 fools. Should be interesting, my feeling is that 0.0 alliances make up the majority of the ISK value and numbers of kills.


Was wondering what value WDE's get from actual hisec entities apart from tears, the money is obviously in 0.0 alliances, is it really worth war decking all those small one man corps with 0 kills as a result even if you get the odd kill out of stupid people?

That the move towards bigger entities was to be able to win the fun content of fights against other WDE's, for bragging rights and looking like they could get the job done in terms of those elusive real contracts.