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Can we get back to New Eden characters instead of WoD clones?

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Bartholemu Fu-Baz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2011-12-21 18:19:56 UTC
Oh THOSE Tucking options. Nope didn't notice them at all.

Found them due to this thread. I thought that was something else, an alternate way to change the selected item.

Maybe text to the left of the arrows (under clothing categories) that say "Tucking Options:" might help.

Also the help (clicking on the ?) is spectacularly useless. A short vague paragraph for something with as many hidden features as this?
Hibernator X
Standing Wave Society
#122 - 2011-12-21 18:56:31 UTC

I want all the weird gallente plastic head parts and the khanid hoods tyvm.
TImora Fosty
Perkone
Caldari State
#123 - 2011-12-21 18:59:52 UTC
I refuse to look the same =)
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#124 - 2011-12-21 19:46:24 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
btw, Vincent Athena, I think the character creator is awesome Lol


Hmm, that sig is left over from the Jita riot days. Maybe Ill consider something a bit less confrontational.

Oh, another thing that would be nice to have. More in the re-customization area of functionality: Saved looks. Similar to saved fits for my ship. I can go to re-customization and select a saved set of clothing, hair style, portrait, and so on, and in one click reset my look. Also, the new look should propagate through the system to everyone's client in a timely manner. If I change my look for a roam, I want everyone to see it. Let us all "put on our game face".

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Terazul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2011-12-21 19:54:44 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
hey everyone,
since you are all here to talk about the character creator I wanted to ask you a few questionsSmile.

  • When you go through the character creator, is there anything that you find confusing or unclear and could be improved?
  • Did you all notice the "tucking" options, that you can randomize the whole character (and each group), and toggle the clothes off?
  • Now we have only facial tattoos... would body tattoos be something you would be interested in (and then how interested), even though you cannot see them in the portrait?
  • A few people have asked for normal glasses... would that be something you would be interested in?
  • Did anyone have problems with the body modifications, and if so, what did you have problems with?
  • Are there any small usability issues that bothering you in the character creator?
  • Do you think players in general would be in favor of allowing bloodline changes, or are there just a few souls that are unhappy with their heritage?
  • Any more suggestions? (other than "hey, we want more racial clothing" and "hey, we want no clothing restrictions").

(I've been looking at the character creator for so long that it makes perfect sense to meP, but it would be great to get some input from you guys... and these are just questions, not promises that everything you suggest will be doneLol)



  • Personally, I find it to be quite nice and clean, particularly in comparison to slider-heavy character creators.
  • I noticed the tucking options and the clothes toggling, yes.
  • YES. We will be walking in stations (relatively) soon! This would be a very good option to have. Also, tattoos on the upper body will show up in some portraits regardless.
  • Kind of. They'd be there purely for stylistic purposes, since capsuleers have more than enough wealth to get ocular implants or laser eye surgery.
  • If by "body modifications", you mean piercings and tattoos - nope, not here.
  • The way we scroll through clothing is pretty annoying, since we can only see a few thumbnails at a time. A way to expand that would be greatly appreciated. Also, color variations on the same piece of clothing reeaally don't have to be in separate thumbnails.
  • I don't see any reason why not. And that's a good a reason as any, if you ask me.
  • Translucent clothing. Changeable underwear. Also, boobs should go a teensy bit smaller. I mean, I'm pretty flat as it is, that is, until you take off my top...
Lina Alar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2011-12-21 20:27:23 UTC
Terazul wrote:
  • Translucent clothing. Changeable underwear. Also, boobs should go a teensy bit smaller. I mean, I'm pretty flat as it is, that is, until you take off my top...

I'm with you on the translucent clothing and maybe color selection on the undies. I also don't mind adding in variance so that you could have a smaller minimum bust size. I would however, prefer that bust size could go a little bigger (current portrait is pre-Crucible, you can't get that shape any more). And bring back Gallente cleavage please. Big smile

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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
#127 - 2011-12-21 21:38:38 UTC
I think my charachter looks better then old version:
http://forum.nibbletek.co.uk/portrait_viewer.php?character=Alrione

But there is less distinction between races/bloodlines. Like all the race specific clothing and gadgets each race had, ie gallente with their plasticy bits and translucent clothes. I miss those.

The tech is there and its pretty good, it just needs more options.
Non nex-store options that is. That thing really has no place in eve.
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2011-12-21 22:02:40 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
hey everyone,
since you are all here to talk about the character creator I wanted to ask you a few questionsSmile.

  • When you go through the character creator, is there anything that you find confusing or unclear and could be improved?
  • Did you all notice the "tucking" options, that you can randomize the whole character (and each group), and toggle the clothes off?
  • Now we have only facial tattoos... would body tattoos be something you would be interested in (and then how interested), even though you cannot see them in the portrait?
  • A few people have asked for normal glasses... would that be something you would be interested in?
  • Did anyone have problems with the body modifications, and if so, what did you have problems with?
  • Are there any small usability issues that bothering you in the character creator?
  • Do you think players in general would be in favor of allowing bloodline changes, or are there just a few souls that are unhappy with their heritage?
  • Any more suggestions? (other than "hey, we want more racial clothing" and "hey, we want no clothing restrictions").

(I've been looking at the character creator for so long that it makes perfect sense to meP, but it would be great to get some input from you guys... and these are just questions, not promises that everything you suggest will be doneLol)


Yes I would love to see all of this stuff from tattoos to glasses but only if, and this is the most important part, you take that stuff out of the god damn nex store and let us have it for the subscription we pay. Because that's why it's being paid.

I dont think you should be allowed to change your bloodline just to look better.
Valeo Galaem
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#129 - 2011-12-21 22:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Valeo Galaem
Pretty much what has already been said.

The UI is very nice. but navigating options could be easier. Maybe with slide out trays to show variations.

Body tattoos would be great, but more worthwhile once WiS actually arrives. (luminescent tattoos too crazy?)

Normal glasses - yes please.

More accessories - hats and head wear, racially inspired articles, maybe some pieces of wearable equipment.

As with previous suggestions, put clothing/accessories in LP stores or mission rewards, especially things that are more corp, military, or racially oriented. Release limited edition things for events via this system.

If CCP wants to pursue AUR for clothing, go ahead and extend NeX but also combine this with LP offers for reduced AUR cost. Just, please, carefully consider your price points. Don't pull another $1000 Jeans.

Bischopt wrote:

I dont think you should be allowed to change your bloodline just to look better.

Putting out a dumb idea, but what if changing bloodline / body resculpting cost a Remap?

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Toros Revoke
#130 - 2011-12-22 01:05:25 UTC
I want my floppy hair and Intaki bathrobe back please, I much prefer how I used to look. Now I'm forced to have sensible hair and wear proper clothes.
Theodemir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2011-12-22 11:00:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Theodemir
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Theodemir wrote:
The lack of distinction is noticeable, at least give the Khanid people their visors and metallic helmets [of sorts] and the caldari civic (sp) race their armour back. Also the current robe selection I find lacking... it needs more flare, more fanatical zealotry!

Do you mean you want something more like this.

With the current character creator the Bloodlines have lost their uniqueness. The feeling of very distinct cultures from other worlds is gone and it lessens the richness of EVE because of it. So much background lore describing the different races of EVE and yet the clothing, tattooes, etc we currently have fail to capture that.




Yes, yes with a side order of yes. That is how a Khanid pilot is meant to look like[if only he had a black or midnight blue tinted visor!]. Thanks for the link Smile

And just to note I agree with your assessment of the current character creators 'depth'. I just wish they spent a little more time adding or at least attempting to emulate the various cultural clothing items/dress sense of each race rather than the failNex store.

CCP karkur wrote:

Any more suggestions? (other than "hey, we want more racial clothing" and "hey, we want no clothing restrictions").


"hey, we want more racial clothing" In fact it is more along the line of "hey, we want racial clothing". The fact some races get a slightly different jacket/colour t-shirt/shades/tattoo doesn't differentiate the races at all, it is a slight variation. I find it a little bemusing you seem to skip what people in this thread are talking about and only adding it with some rhetoric in brackets, oversight much?

I'm glad you think it makes perfect sense, but in the grand scheme of things what matters is that the customer feels it makes perfect sense. It doesn't. Don't get me wrong the more realistic/detail/great looking avatars is fantastic and welcomed. But with the loss of depth; what you made the races to look like with the old avatar system (that was in use for nearly the lifespan of the game) is lost with the current system. Considering the latest dev blog about immersion and such, adding the proper racial feel to the character creator will go a LONG way in that respect. Btw that link above is what khanid should look like; a good starting point :)
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#132 - 2011-12-22 12:12:50 UTC
Theodemir wrote:
I find it a little bemusing you seem to skip what people in this thread are talking about and only adding it with some rhetoric in brackets, oversight much?

No, not really... maybe you missed it, but in this post I explain why.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#133 - 2011-12-22 13:33:57 UTC
I also missed that post, but it was still pretty obvious that we have the attention of the actual dev team, not the content creators (which I hope haven't been laid off :( ).

I finally nailed my looks (this is my main, and probably the 4th or 5th iteration of the portait) and just wanted to congratulate the CC team. It still requires a lot of skill to make convincing 3D renders today, but creating usable tools for total amateurs that lead to high quality results is a huge step beyond that level.

Hats off to all of you, I say :)

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#134 - 2011-12-22 14:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Atticus Fynch wrote:
Truth of the matter is the more time that lapses, the less likely people will remember the old toons and become more accustomed to what we look like now. Cry


Unfortunately, I also favor your old avatar. As for the others I prefer most of the new avatars.


Slade
Brotha Umad
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#135 - 2011-12-22 14:47:47 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
hey everyone,
since you are all here to talk about the character creator I wanted to ask you a few questionsSmile.


Hi,


  • When you go through the character creator, is there anything that you find confusing or unclear and could be improved?
    • Yes, it's annoying that you have to choose a portrait without seeing it at the same scale than others will see it ingame. The Accept / Refuse portrait is way bigger, and the thumbnails way smaller. It's far from being a major issue but some details are more or less visible depending on the scale, I had to re-do my main twice as it looked dumber in-game.

  • Did you all notice the "tucking" options, that you can randomize the whole character (and each group), and toggle the clothes off?
    • Are they randomized by default ? They really should.

  • Now we have only facial tattoos... would body tattoos be something you would be interested in (and then how interested), even though you cannot see them in the portrait?
    • The only tattoos I'd be interested in would be custom ones. It's quite againt the tattoo "philosophy" to have 50000 people wearing the same, except if it's used as sign of belonging to some secret society of suburb muggers or something.

  • A few people have asked for normal glasses... would that be something you would be interested in?
    • Why not, I suppose we did we lost the lens and laser surgery technologies when the gate collapsed...

  • Did anyone have problems with the body modifications, and if so, what did you have problems with?
  • Are there any small usability issues that bothering you in the character creator?
    • No matter what I do with the lighting, the shadows are ALWAYS f**ked around the neck. Hence this toon's portrait.

  • Do you think players in general would be in favor of allowing bloodline changes, or are there just a few souls that are unhappy with their heritage?
    • Wut. No.

  • Any more suggestions? (other than "hey, we want more racial clothing" and "hey, we want no clothing restrictions").


I'd like to have my old toon's portrait somewhere in the CQ, that would give me a reason to use it once more.
Lady Keech
#136 - 2011-12-22 18:52:33 UTC
I want my old hair back http://forum.nibbletek.co.uk/portrait_viewer.php?character=lady%20keech

On second thought... mabye not Lol
Danica Duan
#137 - 2011-12-22 18:59:02 UTC
Could we please disconnect the changing of the portrait with changing the avatar's clothing, hairstyle, glasses... etc.? What I'd like to be able to do, for example, is have a jacket on in the portrait and off in CQ. The View Full Body button would show what the character is currently wearing. Portraits would be just that, snapshots at a certain point in time.
mkint
#138 - 2011-12-22 20:22:24 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:


(it's fine that you bring up all the assets you find missing, or have problems with, but just so you know, my team and I are not very likely to be able to do anything about that, we are more focusing on the functionality of the character creator. And as you probably know, CCP's focus has shifted over to spaceships so I'm not sure the art team has the bandwith to address those issues, at least not now).


Then why waist your time? It's only a character creator and it has no real purpose other than that, now that WIS is no more.

This.

The only value in the character creator is the art that can be created with it. Right now, the assets are crap, so the art is crap, so the character creator is crap. As a tool, it's fine. The tool could have only half it's current functionality, and everything would still look about the same, since it's the assets that suck. If the assets were good, then maybe the tool would start to matter more.

Dev time on the CC is a waste of time. A thousand hours dumped into the tool itself will not stop the avatars from looking like crap without decent assets.

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#139 - 2011-12-22 20:53:52 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
hey everyone,
since you are all here to talk about the character creator I wanted to ask you a few questionsSmile.

  • When you go through the character creator, is there anything that you find confusing or unclear and could be improved?
  • Did you all notice the "tucking" options, that you can randomize the whole character (and each group), and toggle the clothes off?
  • Now we have only facial tattoos... would body tattoos be something you would be interested in (and then how interested), even though you cannot see them in the portrait?
  • A few people have asked for normal glasses... would that be something you would be interested in?
  • Did anyone have problems with the body modifications, and if so, what did you have problems with?
  • Are there any small usability issues that bothering you in the character creator?
  • Do you think players in general would be in favor of allowing bloodline changes, or are there just a few souls that are unhappy with their heritage?
  • Any more suggestions? (other than "hey, we want more racial clothing" and "hey, we want no clothing restrictions").

(I've been looking at the character creator for so long that it makes perfect sense to meP, but it would be great to get some input from you guys... and these are just questions, not promises that everything you suggest will be doneLol)


The toggles when "posing" for the photos (this sounds so gay just talking about it) are unclear, it's more like "hmm what does this do... oh"

Tucking? Like tucking in clothes? No?

Nah

Nah

Not really?

The way you "sort" through the options seems a little awkward. My scroll wheel couldn't spin through each selection like I figured it would.

Bloodline changes could be feasable since they mean nothing anymore.

I think the makeup options are redonkulous.
Danica Duan
#140 - 2011-12-22 20:57:01 UTC
When changing shirts, pants, footwear... Could you please retain the tuck setting. It gets annoying having to cycle back to the tuck setting you like every time you make a change.