EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hi all. I'm a two day old Newbro and I'm having fits over fitting. I earned a Tristan doing military agent missions and after hours of looking at recommended fittings I find myself in a stupor. Some of these fittings were posted two, three or more years ago. I'd like a simple PvE T1 fitting that includes both rail guns and drones. I read that with the Tristan you brawl with kiters and kite with brawlers, so THAT kind of fit. Also some of the fits I saw included shield stuff and I thought Gallente used armor, what's up with that? I'll stop there although I have a gazillion additional questions. Thanks!

The Tristan is a very versatile ship. This article is a good starting point: http://www.factionwarfare.com/the-tristan-when-diversity-is-deadly/

Ah, forgot that part. All I want to do for now is do the career agents and then maybe some Sisters of Eve agents and after that probably join Eve Uni. My career path long term will be Exploration/PvP.

Excellent article. The Neuts sound awesome, but I'm not sure I understand how to fight with it so this one is my favorite, I think...

Scram/Web Kiter with Rails
The Concept: Very nice DPS with a defensive neut in the high just in case. Cap might be a problem but if you’re doing it right you should be able to use the ancillary repper to keep yourself afloat until your drones and rails annihilate whatever is on the other end of your scram/web. If somehow you can’t dictate range in this thing, brawling will still do fine. You get a tracking bonus from your hull so your rails are completely useless and, once again, you have 5 angry Hobgoblins buzzing around your target even if you’re AFK making a sandwich. I really love sandwiches.

An Example Fit:
[Tristan, Rail ScramKite Tristan]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

Warp Scrambler II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

75mm Gatling Rail II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer

Small Transverse Bulkhead I
Small Transverse Bulkhead I
Small Transverse Bulkhead I

Hobgoblin II x8

Question is, can I fit this stuff? And how do I tell? I've bought one item that I didn't have the skill to fit.
Edit: Figured out how to tell if I can fit stuff.

Great, since you've said you want to focus on some early missions, training, and the Sisters arc, we can help you with a good fit.

The fit you posted above is right out. You can disregard it. That's a PvP fit, and much of whats slotted is not useful, or highly inefficient for your goals.

You'll likely be fighting NPC ships exclusively. NPC ships are quite weak, with a simplistic AI, predictable weaknesses, they do not try to run away, and move in entirely predictable ways. As a result, there's only a few concerns that you'd fit for: Enough speed, tank and self-repair ability to stay in the fight, and to maximize your ability to project damage, and finally, maximize your damage. There are not any other significant considerations, for this specific goal.

As an example, the warp scrambler will not be useful - This module is used to keep players from escaping.
Additionally, the damage control is typically used as a form of PvP tank. Other modules can offer more resilience, targeted toward the damage you'll be likely to take compared to the DCU.
Likewise, the energy neutralizer is not helpful - It does not affect NPC's(someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Aaand now a war fleet is happening so I'll need to cut this short. But fortunately, there's no shortage of expertise to get you an exact fit. For now, here's something to compare with those answers, to give you ideas via the similarities.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=441349

Good stuff everyone. Thanks a million. I'm fast finding out my original fit is way over the top in terms of skills and isk. I think Solai's link has the answer for now. Thanks a million. Hard game, good community.

Okay... sooooooooo... I'm back. There may be some typos or incoherrence here... but dammit I will do my best!!


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Some of those fits may still be valid. The ship had not changed much in 2 or 3 years.


Here is the thing about ships in EVE; you fit your ship according the tactic you wish to perform.

Some mods will add extra mass to your ship (example: armor plates) which will decrease your ship's ability to accelerate and maneuver quickly. However it will give your more Hitpoints and not take up a medium-power slot that can be used for utility and Electronic Warfare modules (see: targeted de-buffs).

Some mods will increase your ship's "sensor footprint" (example: shield extenders) making you easier to hit. However it will not take up a low-power slot that can be used for speed and damage enhancement modules.


Which is more important? Depends on what you are doing.

If you want to stay at range, you need more speed. Ergo, use a shield tank. But you will be easier to hit should a hostile weapon have the same range as yours.

If you want more flexibility, you will want to use an armor tank. You will be slower, but you may be able to "outlast" your opponents by having extra utility modules.

It is all about tradeoffs.


Now... the basics of fitting are pretty simple:

In your fitting window you will have two bars on the outer circle your ship is sitting in. One red, the other blue.
Red is for Powergrid consumption (this has nothing to do with your capacitor power by the way).
Blue is for CPU consumption.

Each module you fit consumes a bit of your ship's Powergrid and CPU.
If you try fitting a module and you do not have enough Powergrid or CPU, it will be set to "inactive" and you will not be able to use it.

You can see a module's Powergrid and CPU needs in the info window (right-click > info)


Here is where is gets complicated.

You will have to build a working knowledge of what module types work best for the situations you want to find yourself in.
This takes time and experience, so don't be too concerned if you struggle with it.
Hell... it took me over a year of it being pounded into my head before I had a working knowledge of modules used in PvP.


Now here are two Tristan fits I cooked up for you.
(NOTE: to make this easy, I have fit these ships with all skills set to 0 and only with basic Tech 1 equipment)

[Tristan, Newbie Armor Setup]
Small Armor Repairer I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I

1MN Afterburner I
Stasis Webifier I
Small Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200

75mm Gatling Rail I, Lead Charge S
75mm Gatling Rail I, Lead Charge S
[empty high slot]

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Hobgoblin I x5

Cargohold:
10x Cap Booster 200


NOTES (from top to bottom):

- Everything SHOULD fit... but if not then work on the skills Electronics and Weapon Upgrades.

- As you can see, this is an armor fit. The repair module is pretty self explanatory as you need some kind of staying power in a mission. Unlike an armor plate, a repper will not reduce your speed or agility.
- The Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes (EANMs for short) are there to boost your ship's armor resistances. They will mitigate how much damage you take and make your armor rep's job easier.

- The 1 MN Afterburner is there to give you range control. It provides a small speed boost which you can use to stay at range and/or get close to a target. It can also help you mitigate damage as the tracking mechanics take speed into account. Remember, staying still or being slow will make it easier for others to apply more damage to you.
- The Stasis Webifier is there to do exactly the opposite of what an Afterburner can do.... but to your target. It will reduce a targets speed by 50% making it easier to hit. I like one during missions just in case I run into something faster than me.
- The Capacitor Booster is there for one reason only; to feed your armor repper. Ideally, you wan to use it as little as possible... but in a pinch it will fill your capacitor with much needed power.

NOTE: There is an alternate fit that tosses the Stasis Webifier, Cap Booster, and the Afterburner in favor of Cap Recharge modules. Such modules will increase the amount of capacitor you gain every second, allowing you to run your weapons and armor repairer indefinitely (simply turn on and forget).
I do not like such fits as it tends to make players lazy, forgetful, and even fearful of ship fits that are not "cap stable" (hint: all PvP fits have, at most, a maximum capacitor life of 1 minute with everything running. The idea is that a fight will be over before 1 minute is up).

- The Railguns are self explanatory. But did you know that ammo is important too?
Short range ammo like Anti-Matter will deal the most damage. Long range ammo like Iron will deal the least damage. Lead ammo is right in the middle.

If that's you slightly incoherent, I'd hate to run into you in a dark corner of space sober.

KB

Wow. Thanks, lots to investigate there. Once I get it sorted out I'll be back with fitting questions about my Imicus. Explore and fight. Fight and Explore. That's the life for me. Thanks to all again.

Adding to ShahFluffers's jazzy fitting tutorial:

About 80% or more of the modules to fit can be determined by looking at:

1. Bonuses in the ship's info description.
2. Looking at the number of slots.

The rest is up to you after that.


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