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Vexor fitting questions for lowsec anoms.
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Oliver Ward
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-06-25 19:44:12 UTC
I've been doing a lot of exploration in lowsec as my skills improved for hacking, and the area I tend to hang out in is usually fairly quiet. While making my rounds, I notice that there are a lot of anoms that go untouched.

I've been toying with the idea of giving them a try when I'm not in the mood to explore, and after trying to make a variation of the "AFK anom runner" ships with it, I think I have something that would work, but I also realize that it largely works because bigger ships don't really target the drones very often. Lowsec anoms won't have the big ships as often, so I'm curious over the risks of drone holocaust.

Anyway, this is the fit I've worked out:

Quote:
[Vexor, LS Anom Runner]

Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Prototype Energized Thermal Membrane I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger
100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner

Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Republic Fleet Valkyrie x5
Federation Navy Hammerhead x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Is this something that would work? I would up the faction drones to T2 once I finish training the necessary skills (probably about two weeks, since I have things I consider more important), but would something like this work with lowsec anoms?

My plan would be to warp in at 50km and orbit a centralized something at 50km, letting my drones do the damage while I tried to speed-tank. I wouldn't be doing this AFK, but at 50km or more, it's largely meaningless since the drones probably won't survive the flight back if they get targeted :D

Anyway, any opinions on this? I would switch drones out to match the weaknesses of the rats I'm up against, of course, but Gallente and Minmatar drones seem to be pretty standard for fitting examples.
Oliver Ward
Doomheim
#2 - 2016-06-26 01:46:32 UTC
I decided to ask the question on Reddit, as well. The consensus was that a VNI would be significantly better, but the Vexor would work well until I was comfortable with it. It won't win any speed awards, but it'll certainly suffice.

The next big suggestion change was to use Heavy drones instead of Mediums, as they'll clear the BC's and BS's significantly faster, and to continue using the Navy drones, as they're significantly better than T2 due to having roughly the same damage, but much higher EHP.

The final big change was to fit some Omni Link's, along with tracking speed scripts, in order to help the Heavies hit frigates and destroyers better. I didn't need to be so heavily cap-stable, as because it's PvE, it doesn't matter if I'm cap-stable at 1% or 99%, it's still cap-stable (barring any neut'ing rats, which I don't anticipate running into).

So the new fit is

Quote:
[Vexor, LS Anoms]

Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Capacitor Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Denny Enduring Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script
Denny Enduring Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script

Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Federation Navy Ogre x3
Federation Navy Hobgoblin x5


There's an extra 25 m3 of drone bay space that was suggested as a good choice to put an extra T1 Heavy Ogre in, just as an emergency backup in case something happens to one of the Navy Ogres. I would, of course, also keep a Mobile Depot along with me for just such an event, as well, in case there are no stations nearby.

Small armor and hull reppers were also suggested to be included in the cargo bay, just in case I do something wrong and I'm able to get the drones out before they pop.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#3 - 2016-06-26 02:59:36 UTC
That is quite a bit of cap and cap rechargers for a Vexor. Acutally I think that is too much. Your armor resists are going to suck since you have nothing there but an armor repairer.

I know when I ran anoms in a Vexor, I ran passive shield and surprisingly it worked quite well. It had good resists and still had a couple of DDA IIs in the low slots to increase the dps. When I get home, I will edit this with the fit if I can find it in EveHQ.

It might work better than that fit....possibly. What you need to worry about more is getting caught by people like those in my corporation, who would happily pin you down and pay a visit since we roam lowsec. Any decent pvper who catches you will kill you easily with that fit you posted.

You can also get information from Youtube and watch some videos there to get fits. Do not get them from Eve Univeristy website (those suck) or Battleclinic (crazy expensive fits).
Oliver Ward
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-06-26 04:20:03 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
That is quite a bit of cap and cap rechargers for a Vexor. Acutally I think that is too much. Your armor resists are going to suck since you have nothing there but an armor repairer.

I know when I ran anoms in a Vexor, I ran passive shield and surprisingly it worked quite well. It had good resists and still had a couple of DDA IIs in the low slots to increase the dps. When I get home, I will edit this with the fit if I can find it in EveHQ.

It might work better than that fit....possibly. What you need to worry about more is getting caught by people like those in my corporation, who would happily pin you down and pay a visit since we roam lowsec. Any decent pvper who catches you will kill you easily with that fit you posted.

You can also get information from Youtube and watch some videos there to get fits. Do not get them from Eve Univeristy website (those suck) or Battleclinic (crazy expensive fits).


I need all the cap because I still have fairly low skills. It's cap-stable at about 15% or so for me.

The armor repairer is more for an emergency purpose. I was doing some testing on SISI, and the only time I ever really had any trouble was when my orbit bumped me into an LCO and I dropped to no speed. Otherwise, orbiting some central object at 50km with a 100mn AB on did pretty well at keeping me from ever getting hit, and I rarely got below half-shields even up against a Port.

I'm not too worried about getting caught. The area I roam is pretty quiet, and the locals have gotten used to seeing me. If they don't see me on DScan, they'll probably just assume that I cloaked up like I usually do when they pop into a system. Even if they come to me, I'm not going to be AFK'ing the anoms, and my time in wormholes has trained me to set and abuse a DScan hotkey. If something shows up on DScan, I'll align out, pull drones, and if hostiles show up before the drones get back, then they get a consolation prize of drones instead of a kill :D

I wouldn't mind seeing your fit, though. Seeing and testing others' fits is a good way to learn and improve.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-06-26 07:05:59 UTC
This is the fit I used on the Vexor. You can adjust or go to Sisi and see how it performs for you.

Vexor

Drone Link Augmentor I (x2)

10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender (x2)
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Shield Power Relay II (x2)
Drone Damage Amplifier (x3)

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II (x3)

Drones as needed

With my skills, I get 310.31 dps with 5 Hammerhead II out. I have a drone control range of 91km and is cap stable at 46.32% with a targeting range of 65.6km. It does just under 600 m/s and it has 30EM/58KIN/65EXP/44THM, 8250 shield hp and passive tank of 182.68 dps vs Omni damage.

Guristas is 209.31 dps tank.
Angel Cartel is 217.91 dps tank.
Blood Raider is 152.95 dps tank.
Etc etc.

Now with your lower skills it will not perform as great as that but should suffice with running anoms. Now DED sites might be a different story but I would test it out on Sisi first before doing it on TQ.
Oliver Ward
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-06-26 11:45:32 UTC
With the price of the faction LSE's and the T2 rigs, it pushes that fit well out of my price range. I'd probably just move up to a VNI at that point and use T2 mods and T1 rigs. I also don't have enough cap skills yet to sustain even the AB (I'm working on them! they're in the queue).
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-06-26 22:03:40 UTC
The faction MSE are actually not that expensive at all. You could get three or four of those Vexors for the price of one VNI with no mods.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-06-26 22:15:23 UTC
[Vexor, shield]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
100MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Drone Navigation Computer I

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Federation Navy Ogre x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Hobgoblin II x1


probably would use something like that, same concept as VNI just performs not as well ofc. Low sec anoms do not do very much damage

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