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Observatory Strucrures for Hisec

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1 - 2016-06-25 17:44:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Preamble: (Those of a fragile nature in terms of combative forum posting by those they define as carebears should read from the fourth paragraph.)

Dear CCP, hopefully you will read this before the frenzied horde of HTFU shiteposters descend on it like a cloud of ugly two faced locusts.

First of all I have heard about your intentions for Observatory Structures, I placed one such idea in the AFK cloaky thread which is trolled by the worst type of HTFU trolls, this is to deal with AFK and emphasis on AFK cloaky campers, see here Pleae excuse my flippant tone, one that I often use when dealing with trolls on the Eve forums...

We are all aware, well those with a brain that is, of the lack of content in hisec, sadly we have extremely rich war dec entities who call themselves mercs hunting around the major pipes and around the major hubs the normally fail 0.0 alliance people that go to hisec for supply reasons or whatever. They also war dec any hisec entities that look like they have more than a couple of members, looking desperately not for good fights but something to add to their already green killboard and to test their bling ships out on. In return those hisec entities which are often 0.0 alt indy corps avoid any dec like the plague, changing corp etc.

Since you changed the watch list to be a buddy list, something I agree with, there is a chance for real hisec entities to develop, however as soon as they are noted they will get a blanket war dec and their only fun will be being massacred when trying to fight a War dec entities main fleet or watching the GTFO shisp run away. They will be war dec'd by multiple entities if they show any fight because too many people are desperate to find something to shoot. Those hisec people will be telling their players to not log in for a week, or play on an alt, but if they have a bit more to them they will operate at a reduced level taking advantage of the fact that the war deccers do not know they are on line. This happy stae of affairs is good news for hisec, but one of the issues is that being war decced means that you have no real easy way to fight back and even more deadly to content, no reason.

Imagine that you in your huge wisdom create a Observatory Structure that tells the mercs (ahem) in the corp that owns it that Joe Bloggs is alive and kicking in game and was spotted in that Constellation. If Joe Bloggs moves into another Constellation then they will get a report that he has left that constellation but has arrived in the other.

Joe Blogs may also have picked up that there is such a structure keeping tabs on him, and he wants to play at a low level, so he and his corp mates jump into some ships and start to blap that structure, being fragile things it can be taken down with no reinfroced timers, but a strangled cry for help will be sent should it be attacked rather like that given by the POS. Here we have a perfect situation, a corp able to cause pain back to its attackers and a fleet in space that can have fun. This will also create a cat and mouse game around placing these things which will need to be probed down etc.

Fun can be had by all and hopefully with the ability to kill these things war dec entities will be a little bit more picky.

Over to you CCP and I hope you do it, because this will help hunter killers like the Devils Warriosr Alliance and perhaps will create better hisec entities then we have now....

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#2 - 2016-06-25 17:45:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Detail:
Observatory Structure for watch list and presence within the constellation.
Can be taken down with one attack if at war only
Value around 100m as they are expected to be destroyed
Do not show on overview unless you are on grid with them
Need to be probed down

Report:
System the war target is in or that they are within the Constellation or just that they have been picked up in the Constellation, discuss please.
Report that they have left the Constellation
Logout report if they logout within that Constellation, should we make that system level and even detail which station.
Will be sent to the holding corp only, not to the alliance as will notifications of being attacked.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#3 - 2016-06-25 17:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Pros:
Revitalise mercs that do hunter killing in hisec
Create a meaningful target for those that want to fight back that has real benefits to the war dec entity
The defender can be a real pain to the war dec operations and therefore changing the dynamic of blanket war decs



Cons:
Weaken the possibility of hisec entities operating under the radar when war decc'ed


Threads in which this has been discussed:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6542729#post6542729
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=483651&find=unread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=479121&find=unread

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2016-06-25 18:00:55 UTC
Roll
Iain Cariaba
#5 - 2016-06-25 18:48:56 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Roll

Couldn't have said it better.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6 - 2016-06-25 19:50:35 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Roll

Couldn't have said it better.


Two half wits, thanks for the bump!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Iain Cariaba
#7 - 2016-06-25 21:41:03 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Roll

Couldn't have said it better.


Two half wits, thanks for the bump!

You've put in your .02 isk. Now here's the .01999 isk change, as we wouldn't want to overcharge you.

Redundant thread reported as redundant. There's already a thread dedicated to feedback for new structures. You should have posted this there.

Also have reported for troll baiting.

IB4L
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#8 - 2016-06-25 21:44:24 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:

Also have reported for troll baiting.

IB4L


It's not even baiting, it's just plain trolling. Pathetic.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#9 - 2016-06-25 22:36:39 UTC
And what is to prevent these hisec "mercs" from dropping one of these in every constellation?

A signature :o

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#10 - 2016-06-26 03:23:24 UTC
Pretty sure both parts of the op have been proposed in the relevant threads.

Probably more likely to make devs and isd's roll their eyes by opening with salty afk Cloaking talk...

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#11 - 2016-06-26 07:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Roll

Couldn't have said it better.


Two half wits, thanks for the bump!

You've put in your .02 isk. Now here's the .01999 isk change, as we wouldn't want to overcharge you.

Redundant thread reported as redundant. There's already a thread dedicated to feedback for new structures. You should have posted this there.

Also have reported for troll baiting.

IB4L


This is a subject that I have discussed with various merc leaders following on from the watch list change to a buddy list, a Goon trolled you jumped in to troll and then you cry and go and tell teacher and try to get the thread closed. If you have nothing of value to add go and troll elsewhere, I looked at your posting history and see a number of insulting posts against people with different views, I suggest you read this in terms of your offensive posting, aggression against free speach and need for safe zones for your opinions.

The objective is to imrpove hisec, you operate in lowsec and probably have no interest in hisec, I do.

EDIT: Ah I recognise you, you do mission baiting in Osmon, of course you don't want better hisec corps.

EDIT2: I see you tried to justify your trolling in that thread, in any case my suggestion is to assist high sec mercs that hunt, this is also on the back of CCP ignoring those mercs who have seen their game play reduced, my objective is to find something that meets the needs of both to develop engaging gameplay. I cannot help but have contempt for your insults and crying to get this locked for what you deem my offensive tone, but as I have to deal with trolls all the time I tend to be flippant at them. Perhaps you could engage your brain on the idea instread of trying to get the thread closed, which is pretty sad in my opinion and is typical of people like you.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#12 - 2016-06-26 07:48:30 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
And what is to prevent these hisec "mercs" from dropping one of these in every constellation?


Yes that is the objective, they should do, if they want to have intel on the people they are hunting they have to put some skin in the game. This will be a conflict driver because a semi-organised group of hisec players could actually fight back and it will if done correctly create a change in mentality in hisec.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#13 - 2016-06-26 07:50:40 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Pretty sure both parts of the op have been proposed in the relevant threads.

Probably more likely to make devs and isd's roll their eyes by opening with salty afk Cloaking talk...


Any lame comments on that subject should be in that thread.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-06-26 13:28:08 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Roll
Pretty much this.

I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#15 - 2016-06-26 13:31:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Giaus Felix wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Roll
Pretty much this.


Thank you for the bump.Roll That's three now...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#16 - 2016-06-26 15:21:15 UTC
My expectations are very limited.
ISD Fractal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#17 - 2016-06-27 13:19:40 UTC
There is a thread where you should post ideas regarding these types of structures. Thread closed.

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