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Hey guys I think the indy guys need some love with some new shiny stuff ,
Now the pvp guys are geting there new faction supers and stuff i think we deserve something along the same lines
as it stands the biggest/best thing an indy can aim for is a rorqual or a jump freighter :(
Would it not bee cool to see an serpentis Procurer or something along thos line s
I know this is unlikely but us indys need a higher goal to reach for ourselves

Just skins would be an awesome start ;)

Interesting thought OP. While you have your answer already that indy ships already have faction ships in the form of mining, mining command, Primae and Noctis. What other indy ships could be available for use? Pirate faction blockaid runners are a good start.

However are we looking for more industrial minded capital ships? or more industrial minded sub capitals.

CCP could always put more work into various aspects of the game however they need to have incentive as well as legitimate reasons for that work.

Artificially creating a niche by creating a faction ship doesn't work to well. Good example would be the Primae which is a PI industrial is well the same model as the Noctis.

First thing to do is develop a reason be sides stating that its needed. Need is not want, and stating that something is needed with out proof of that need is generally a want, not a need.

Most industrial pilots "Want" some love. Which is why CCP is in no hurry to implement major or even minor changes to the industrial aspect of the game. They will make changes as they see the need for ships they have worked to create suddenly come up short and have no real value. Again I point to the Primae, while its a good looking ship its still basically worthless being that in one update that CCP made with industrial ships.

So while most industrial pilots "want" love CCP will not give it unless there truely is a need that will warrent them spending time and money on it.

Honestly I would enjoy seeing some love for industrial pilots. They are the back bone of the game. What is needed is a "Road Warrior" mindset when it comes to industrial ships.

If you watch main stream sci-fi you see that the industrial ships (cargo ships, mining ships etc.) all have the same problem they are weakly defended, with little to no armor and little to no speed. Which is why pirates are so eager to attack them and take what is in their holds. If we look back at naval history of the world you will see that pirates lost just about as much as they got. It was really the privateers not the pirates that made piracy profitable. Being that privateers were backed by the Crown (French, Spanish, or English) and had a port to sell the goods they plundered from ships that were "armed" but not armed as well as a ship they were given by a naval power. In fact most traditional pirates would be sailing roughly the same ship class as the ship they are attacking. Privateers on the other hand were granted ships of war to attack merchant vessels.

Which brings me back to sci-fi shows and the "Road Warrior" mentality. Sci-fi shows such as fire-fly, star-trek, alien, star wars, and several others portray industrial ships in general as lumbering behemoths with little to no armor and little to no offensive armament where small swift raiders can attack and take control of. It is really no different than current eve mechanics. Granted that adds spice to the game being that now as an industrial pilot you need to seek out help from a combat pilot to defend you. However if we take on a "Road Warrior" mentality. You'll see the advent of the "Q-ship".

For those of you that are not familiar with the term "Q-ship". Allow me to enlighten you, a Q-ship also known as a Q-boat or decoy vessel is a special service ship or mystery ships that were heavily armed merchant ships designed to lure submarines to the surface in order to destroy them during world war II. Q-ship are used in several sci-fi books such as David Weber's "Honor Harrington series".

CCP is always talking about "wanting more conflict" and generating more "wars". Well Alright then ladies and gents I give you the Q-ship.

For Industrial ships it could be a T3, or T2 variant. More than likely T3 with changes that could be made to it much like the T3 Cruiser subsystems. might even be able to use the same subsystems. However special role bonus would be something a long the lines of Appears as "equivalent class of ship on scanners".

So if you have say the Minmatar version it would look like a Mammoth on overview, and D-scan. Until you check ship and see that it isn't a Mammoth at all.

For Freighters it would be a bit different. It would more than likely be a T2 variant, with limited changes. Save for the fact that the hold would have to be a lot smaller than a traditional freighter. talking like 100,000m3 base. Giving 3 or 4 high slots to the freighter, 4 or 5 mid slots and 3 to 4 low slots and 2 rig slots. Giving you the ability to fit battleship weapons or other fitting to make it more of a problem for pirates. In essence a freighter sized block aid runner. However it would have the same role bonus as previously mentioned industrial ships.

In the end you would end up with a ship that could dish out as much as it could take and in some cases the PVPer would be flying this ship to lure other PVPers into a fight. Talk about crazy conflict generation.

When i said faction i meant Serpenteis Angel etc It would fill in some plot holes for a start , like how do these guys get there ships ? they hardly buy all there supers off others not logical .They have to have a secret mining wing out there somewhere
no my suggestion would be another t3 miner like a step up again from the exhumers would be a start


So an example is the t3 Serpentis exhumer the "miner"
no tank bonus to ore mined and imune to bubbles
or something special to make them stand out from the crowd

More choices.