EVE General Discussion

Given the amount of ISk that is actually in game, I am not sure that's true at all, especially since the ISK sink flows are easily adjusted. If NPC ISK sinks other than skillbooks were removed, I am pretty sure the EVE economy could survive for the forseeable future (>decade)
But it would be a totally different economy, and an utterly unrecognizable new player experience.

Although there might be some positives to the NPE - not being able to get any money other than by interecting with other players, if only through the market, might well have some plus sides.

Spoken like a true PvPr.

"What? There's no one left who doesn't shoot back? GG."

Yay! Allow me to say this about that. Unless you're talking a barter system (Yay Barter Town reference!):

You are talking a central government - immediately. Then you're talking a currency of some sort. Interstellar Kredits you say? Fine, I say. Who is the issuing authority? On what do they base the value of their units of currency? On what do they base their imperatives to issue currency (put it into circulation) or destroy currency (take it OUT of circulation)?

You see, these geniuses we have these days claiming to be smart enough to declare weeee don' neeed no steeenkeeng gumment fail to take this into account. If you don't do it this way, then anyone with a printer can manufacture whatever currency and call it whatever value suits them - all. So we'd ALL be kajillioinaires IF we could convince everyone else to believe what we say about OUR money. In a world of "trust no one" fat chance of THAT ever happening....though....we could hyp-mo-tize people.

Yeah....THAT'S the ticket...and my wife...Morgan Fairchild..... Ooops, anyway. Given the above circumstance the historic inclination is to revert to a barter system - SQUARE ONE.

So then what do we have? The authority prints money. Suddenly - COUNTERFEITERS! The authority has to store the money, and issue at regional locations - banks. Suddenly - BANK ROBBERS! So...before any of this happens POLICE FORCE, ENFORCEABLE LAWS (and the ever favorite) PRISONS!! YAY!!! (Getting the idea yet?)

Oh, but not just there. Now "lanes of commerce" count. Enforcement of sovereignty counts.
Exterminating criminals counts.

First to go to secure this "economy" GANKERS! YAY! Or, traditionally, Pirates. Shot on sight. Summarily executed.
And the Sovereign's NAVY leads the way! After all, it is a matter of "National Security".

Nah...I'm bettin' you don't want THAT much reality. You were thinkin' of something ELSE, RIGHT???

And...my account is worth more than yours 'cause I've had it active longer and my toon has more SP, and a noob isn't worth the same monthly ... uh, stipend? wage? salary? as a bittervet like meseff. And...why would you give that guy an unfair advantage over me when I'm more deserving....

There's a reason why a few thousand years of trial and error has arrived us upon the economic models we have. There is another way to organize our enterprise, but if the object is to make "you" wealthy...oldest trick in the book.

You ain't in your wildest dreams gonna improve on it.

Every evoleved society has it's currency just for convenience even if it goes down to smokes as currency. Is just helps to find a fitting value for something. Try to buy a machariel with real item exchange (no ISK just modules, drugs etc)

The first "EVE is dying" threads popped up in 2004.

Meta modules will require you to ship all your stuff to the market. So loot is not " NPC generated ISK". There is a big difference between immidiate ISK through bounty for NPC kill and ISK you will get from selling the loot on a trade hub.

"NPC merchants" is not needed, cause you always can reprocess any droped modules into minerals. And minerals are always in demand.

Wow, this thread really wanders around!

ISK from NPC's is critical to the economy as others have pointed out. It's also an in game story reality. Someone has to pay for dealing with piracy and accomplishing tasks (missions). You'd have to toss almost all so-called PvE activities into the trash can if you did this.

As has been pointed out, that may be the goal of the OP. They don't like the non-ship v ship stuff so get rid of it.

Whatever the case, the goal isn't noble at all, it's extremely destructive to the game and folks, stop trying to screw around with major game mechanics. Those are not to be trifled with to suit any play style. Sure, you might boost your play style but at the expense of all others and thus the game...

Think before you walk down these very dangerous paths folks.

So, if you want to eliminate the ISK faucets, then you'll have to eliminate the ISK sinks, including taxes and all the little fees we pay for skills and clone jumps and all that. And, one of the bigger ISK sinks is players taking a break from the game for a few years or refusing to spend their ISK on anything, because inactivity = the ISK is out of the economy (temporarily, in theory).

So you'll have to find a way for active players to remove ISK from people's wallets if they're inactive or are unwilling to spend. Kinda like declaring wars on unwilling corps and subjecting them to fights / harrassment, but aimed at your wallet.

There's a RL precedent: gold as currency. Limited supply of gold, not much more entering the economy, governments and people hoarding it, etc. Same thing happens if they stop the sources of ISK (people hoard the gold and use something else as currency).

goons lol